The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[Jerms]

I hear (read) you. vaping on this is a trip--coming full circle is a funny feeling. While I am not saying this tastes like SI/Bloog RY4 (my first experience with "classic" RY4s), it's has that feeling, you know? I think those had that "sour" note I've read described, though I remember it as tart (sorry for splitting synonyms), and this is a touch more sweet and dry than "sour". But still, that base, yup, classic.

vaping is funny, sometimes it's more about what I'm in the mood for. Lately, arti-baccos are rocking my world. A few RY4s I have fall in that category, so I plan on hitting them hard this week and will try to do a proper eval of Apollo and R-YLD-4, alongside vaping up my Janty Classic (with an interesting, very old-school RY4 from Kent on the way). Today though, the really synthetic tasting artis are kicking it for me.

Yeah, tart works for me, at least as much as sour. Bright, sour, tart.. none seem to nail it, but I can't come up with a better description. Maybe Chinese-y lol.

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[RPadTV]

Like with Janty DK.. oh oh bright.. too bright for me; but with Janty Classic.. mmmm little bit of bright, yummy.

Janty DK > Janty Classic.

I kind of wish Janty had better marketing and more presence in the USA, just so there could be flame wars like PlayStation vs. Xbox. I've spent a large chunk of my professional life being amused by videogame fans fighting about their favorite plastic box. Fortunately, the vaping world is one of the most mature and intelligent communities I participate in (boxing fans are, quite sadly, the worst).

Hopefully my sample comes in today!

 

[Jerms]

Janty DK > Janty Classic.

Ray, you are right about so many things, I allow you to be wrong in this one.

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[billherbst]

Not to stir up the mud but just talking with Vaper'sKnoll about OuR-Y4, I was kinda disappointed to find out they could just be using RY4 flavoring from FA or TPA to make it.

Yes, passer, I acknowledge that Vaper’sKnoll seems to be using FA Legend RY4 flavoring in their OuR-Y4 (although definitely not TFA RY4 Double, which has an entirely Custom flavor profile). I say that for two reasons: 1. Because of your email exchanges with them, and also 2. Because of my own side-by-side taste-test comparisons of FA RY4 DIY and Vaper'sKnoll OuR-Y4 retail.

If Vaper'sKnoll is just mixing up straight FA RY4 flavoring with nic and PG/VG, then calling it "our RY4---a new twist on a classic flavor," then that is misleading at best, and outright false advertising at worst. But I sense that there's more going on in that juice than just FA RY4 flavoring---at least that’s what my palate tells me---so I'm guessing that Vapor’sKnoll starts with FA as a base and then tweaks the juice with additional flavorings.

Maybe they're making a FrankenDIY, using predominantly FA RY4 flavoring, then adding a tiny bit of TPA/TFA RY4 Double flavoring. I'm a bit dubious about that, but you never know for sure. Maybe I'll try whipping up a small DIY bottle at, say, a mix of 4 parts FA to 1 part TFA, just to see if it tastes anything like Vaper'sKnoll OuR-Y4.

Until Vaper'sKnoll tells us for certain what's in OuR-Y4, we're just guessing. And, of course---as always---I could be mistaken about my assumptions and/or conclusions.

 

[billherbst]

Janty DK > Janty Classic.

Ray, you are right about so many things, I allow you to be wrong in this one.

Ah, the Janty wars... I love it! Jeremy and Raymond, back to back at dawn. Pistols loaded and cocked. Take ten paces, turn, and fire! Whichever one goes down, I'll give the eulogy. LOL.

My personal favorite RY4 changes over time, sometimes radically. (My taste buds are very fickle, as many of you know.) At one time or another, Janty Elixir, Classic, and DK RY4s have all occupied my top spot. Even Janty RY4-X claimed my #1 ranking for about two weeks. Then Kent sent me the vintage Janty RY4s from 2010 (bottled) and 2009 (carts), and both those were so different. That threw me for a loop.

All the Janty RY4s are very, very good, of course. Kent's 2010 bottled RY4 in particular has been growing on me. That pine cone seed flavor is completely unique. How can an RY4 be so classic and yet so downright odd at the same time? Maybe I should start calling that 2010 vintage Janty a Custom rather than Classic RY4, which would mean that Janty not only created the original Classic RY4, but came out with the very first Custom RY4 as well.

Right now, the RY4 that’s pleasing me most is probably Hangsen retail, which is ironic, given the distinct possibility that the flavor chemist who created it for Hangsen might actually be the convicted-and-imprisoned-but-now-released former Dekang chemist who absconded with the formula for the mythic “lost” Dekang in May, 2010. Wouldn’t that be a karmic hoot!

By the way, Dekang seems to be catching some flak on ECF and elsewhere for it’s current version of RY4, now renamed DK4. I haven’t ordered any of the new stuff, but I’ve read numerous posts by people who hated it, and no posts that praised it. Go figure. But then, as the 800 lb. gorilla of global eliquid, Dekang gets more than it’s share of blame. It is, after all, a huge target.

RY4 aficionados are truly blessed. We have so many superb RY4s from which to choose (and/or argue over in friendly debate). I guess that’s what keeps this thread going like the Energizer bunny.

Speaking of superb RY4s, I had felt in the past that Bloog RY4 and SmokelessImage Volt RY4 were actually the same Chinese juice, just with different labels. I want to change that opinion now. Oh, I still think they’re both Chinese-made Classic RY4s, but---now that I have newer bottles of each than I had back when I first vaped them in 2011---the seem subtly different to me. Still close, but not quite identical. I compared them in a side-by-side taste test using identical delivery systems (Ultimate CE2 clearos powered by VAMOs set to 7.5 watts RMS), and the flavor profiles seemed ever-so-slightly different---not screaming, but enough for me to notice. They’re both terrific and pretty much right in the heart of that small club that sets the Gold Standard for Classic RY4.

 

[Jerms]

I prefer Janty Classic RY4 because it's the better juice. Ray preferd Janty DK RY4 because the DK makes him think of Donkey Kong. It's Ray's opinion that DK is better, it's my fact that Classic is better. This isn't about tastes or preferences, this is about the simple truth that I am right and Raymond is wrong.

Bill, that pine cone seed Janty is coming my way, I look forward to the original custom lol. I know the flavor of pine well, but have no experience with this specific pine cone seed flavor note you guys have talked about, so expecting a new flavor experience for me.

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[billherbst]

I prefer Janty Classic RY4 because it's the better juice. Ray preferd Janty DK RY4 because the DK makes him think of Donkey Kong. It's Ray's opinion that DK is better, it's my fact that Classic is better. This isn't about tastes or preferences, this is about the simple truth that I am right and Raymond is wrong.

Bill, that pine cone seed Janty is coming my way, I look forward to the original custom lol. I know the flavor of pine well, but have no experience with this specific pine cone seed flavor note you guys have talked about, so expecting a new flavor experience for me.

Jerms,

I'm not a big fan of typical pine---you know, that pineyness that tastes like pine-sol smells. This is really different, as I'm sure you've read. When I first got my gift bottle from Kent, my reaction to the pine seed was odd/good/odd/good/odd/good. Gradually, my reaction moved to odd/good/good/odd/good/good. Now it's all good.

I'd love to hear a recording of the executive discussions at Janty when they decided to add that to the RY4 recipe, and then, conversely, the later discussions when they decided to remove it.

I'll be waiting with bated breath for your reactions.

 

[RPadTV]

Ah, the Janty wars... I love it! Jeremy and Raymond, back to back at dawn. Pistols loaded and cocked. Take ten paces, turn, and fire! Whichever one goes down, I'll give the eulogy. LOL.

I get the black hat!

 

[Jerms]

I get the black hat!

Yes, the villain does get the black hat

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[RPadTV]

Yes, the villain does get the black hat

Will Smith once said, "The good guys dress in black. Remember that."

 

[clnire]

Mrs Lurker who occasionally barks loves the banter!! Keep it coming!

 

[thehangdude]

My take on Xtremejuice R-YLD-4 from Vaping Xtreme is much like the others' take on it. It is a Classic RY4.

R-YLD-4 is a sweetened tobacco. It does not scream caramel or vanilla. It is very similar to Apollo in this, and also in the very clear color of both. The tobacco in R-YLD-4 is more of a pipe style tobacco, though. The tobacco isn't strong, just more of a pipe flavor.

In fact, there is nothing strong about this version of RY4. A very mild sweetened tobacco, as if I mixed up some RY4D at 3%. Maybe a week or two will add some more flavor.

There is nothing wrong with R-YLD-4. It is nice and clean tasting, I just wish it had more flavor.

 

[Kent C]

Bill.... when I first tasted the Janty RY4 in '09, it was one of the least sweet ejuices at the time and I was getting tired of the sweetness, so it was a nice change. Plus I liked the pine pollen taste. Many of my friends that tried it, didn't like it at first but for some it became their number 1 vape but it took a while. They kept coming back to it. I think, at the time, it would fit cool_breeze's 'dry' definition where dry is less impinging and imo, tends to be 'ADV' material vs. those where the flavor really 'wows' you but is too intense for all day

Jerms.... you will also get the 801 cartridges with the Janty RY4 that bill speaks of. Others got the 510 cartridges which I am no out of. And I found the RY4 in the cartridges more 'balanced' between the 'musky smoke/pine pollen' and the caramel cream. The bottled ejuice Used to be that way too.... just fyi.....

BTW, it should be mandatory for any ejuice reviews ...but I vape it mostly at @6.5W (an eGo with a 1.8ohm Tabac BCC clearo) but one of the attributes of the truly classic RY4 (not necessarily bill's definition) is that it worked well in the wattage range during that period of time '2008-2010' where the hardware was mainly regulated batteries with 510 (2.2Ω), 801 (3.5Ω) and the 901 (3.2Ω) with only a few HV mods around. So most people were vaping between about 3.3 to 6.5 Watts. And RY4 was a popular flavor for people with all available attys - one of the few flavors (other than menthol) that has that range.

People with HV mods were vaping higher of course and their satisfaction of the higher wattage is part of what prompted LR attys for the routine devices - 510, 801 and 901 batts... and there was the 306 and a bit later the KR8 stuff.

 

[RPadTV]

The pine taste in old-school Janty RY4 kind of reminds me of the pine taste in Highbrow Vapor tobacco e-liquids. Those juices are pretty divisive, very much a love/hate thing.

 

[Jerms]

Those juices are pretty divisive, very much a love/hate thing.

I'm a big fan of those types of juices. It's fun to find out which side of the spectrum I personally fall on. There's a lot of juices to "like" or "enjoy" out there; the ones that cause a strong feeling are special.

Even more rare and special, one that causes love/hate in the same person lol. This juice is disgusting!.. and I love it!

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[Kent C]

The pine taste in old-school Janty RY4 kind of reminds me of the pine taste in Highbrow Vapor tobacco e-liquids. Those juices are pretty divisive, very much a love/hate thing.

And this was true of Janty RY4 as well. Those who didn't like it, hated it but the ratio of love:hate was more 70:30 than 50:50 because some that didn't like it at first came to love it. One friend's 'review' "moldy basement".. it became his no.1 vape One guy here said "ejuice filtered through dirty socks and a jock strap". I asked him exactly how he would know that??

It may be genetic.. what I taste as a nice 'musky' flavor was 'moldy/musty' to some others. And frankly I DO see the similarity but don't get the downside flavors on my palate. Smell more than any other sensory perception evinces memories and like bill, I have an aversion to pinesol, the memory to graphic to relate here. And again the "pine" is of the pollen not the needles Puts me in mind of the some 'notes' of the old mens colone 'english leather' or 'canoe' I'm not quite sure....maybe even 'old spice' ...but not exactly like any of them.

I also think that many one time 'rejections' are from other factors - food or drink that takes away from the true flavor of the ejuice..... this happens with newbies a lot (and happened to me when I was a newbie :- ) and vets tend to handle it better with their experience.

 

[Calivapr123]

I received my R-YLD-4 10ml giveaway from vapingextreme.com the other day and was ready to let it sit for a week or so before vaping it, until I got a PM from the owner (@vaprz) that said steeping was not necessary. I thought it is quite unusual, and bold on that part of vaprz to say that this RY-4 is ready for evaluation right out of the bottle, but what do I know, so I vaped it, as suggested!

I was pleasantly surprised. It is definitely a good RY-4 without a lot of fancy sweeteners or flavorings, which most probably puts it in the "classic RY-4" group. Upon opening a fresh bottle, I detect the scent of AP although when you vape it, the effect of AP is rather mild. In fact, every other component I can detect ( which is simply the Tobacco, Caramel, Vanilla trio) comes across relatively well balanced. I suppose this is what makes it come across to me as "classic" tasting.

I can't call it a mild RY-4, since the juice that arrived is 16mg/ml Nic, which is a notch higher than my usual, and for sure, I feel the extra Nic. The website currently does not offer this juice in 12mg Nic. It maybe temporarily out of stock or not offered at all, I'm unable to tell from the site. (Offered in 6mg then jumps to 16mg).

Despite the added Nic, I am enjoying this RY-4 juice, and am particularly impressed that you can vape it right away. I put 3ml in a tank which I've been occasionally hitting on over the last couple of days, and when that's gone, I'll vape the rest after a week or so, to see if there is any notable difference.

Thanks to Vapingxtreme for the trial and to @jerms for providing the link!

 

[Jerms]

I've been enjoying VapingXtreme's R-YLD-4 quite a bit too Cali. Although the flavor is a little light, it's really not that much lighter than the Apollo and Janty I have, and does seem to be getting stronger as it's steeped a few days (or it's the same but I'm noticing the flavor more). Bill pointed out that many classic style RY4s come across as mild and smooth; and I can appreciate that type of vape too even though I'm a flavor hound.

It is very well blended. I've noticed different aspects when staring it, then shortly after it starts playing like a sweet tobacco, as hangdude mentioned. A couple times the creamy caramel stood out for the first several vapes. I didn't get pipe tobacco at all like hangdude mentioned until this morning, when I dripped some there it was, a very nice and noticable pipe tobacco feel.

Like many juices I've had that don't have strong flavor, this one looses that extra spark of flavor after several minutes in. It's ok though, because the sweet tobacco flavor it mutes into is still enjoyable for a longer session. I wasn't too concerned if this juice was any good since it was free, so I'm pleasantly surprised it's a winner for me. It looks like VapingXtreme will do a give-a-way like this every month so I'll be keeping an eye on that thread.

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[Cool_Breeze]

Certainly there have been a lot of new eJuice suppliers opening up recently. Many of them claim, 'Premium.'

I wonder if they know that when bringing a new eJuice line to the market it is a requirement to send an RY4 sample, if not 30 ml bottle to billherbst for evaluation.

 

[clnire]

Certainly there have been a lot of new eJuice suppliers opening up recently. Many of them claim, 'Premium.'

I wonder if they know that when bringing a new eJuice line to the market it is a requirement to send an RY4 sample, if not 30 ml bottle to billherbst for evaluation.

Yea, don't they know that is a requirement???? LOL!