"Ditto" on the Renegade even tho it's no longer considered a RY4. I love it with a drop a menthol......
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"Ditto" on the Renegade even tho it's no longer considered a RY4. I love it with a drop a menthol......
Alright, I took a shot in the dark (not as bad as it could have been b/c of this thread
) and ordered some Organic VR4 from vaperite.com
Thanks for help you two but I couldn't find much info on NLV in the short time I looked.
) and ordered some Organic VR4 from vaperite.comThanks for help you two but I couldn't find much info on NLV in the short time I looked.
Alright, I took a shot in the dark (not as bad as it could have been b/c of this thread
Wampa,
i hope VapeRite VR4 proves pleasing to you. Depending on what RY4 you vaped previously, VR4 may be quite a change.
In a specialty thread like this---with almost 5,000 posts over 2 1/2 years---a question such as the one you asked, essentially "Which RY4 should I buy?" is impossible to answer, especially when we are given no specific criteria (Classic, Custom, stronger tobacco, caramel-rich, etc.) with which to limit the possible selection.
Also, people tend to respond (as they did here) by suggesting an RY4 that they like---which may or may not be one that you would like.
The Big RY4 List is the ultimate consumer guide to RY4s and the heart of this thread. It's huge---with more than 120 RY4s reviewed. That list is now comprised of four long and successive posts, including Category Groups, The Big RY4 Report Card, and DIY all-in-one RY4 flavorings. I update and re-post the entire List every two months---the last update was posted on September 25th, and the next update will be around Thanksgiving.
Here's a link to the current (Sept) list: The Big RY4 List - first of four successive posts
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Thanks a lot Billherbst! You are an RY4 expert!!
I actually had another other question, maybe someone here can answer this. So when we vape tobacco flavors are we getting any of the chemicals we are trying to avoid by using vapes? I've recently been seeing stuff about NETs and it has sparked my curiosity.
I actually had another other question, maybe someone here can answer this. So when we vape tobacco flavors are we getting any of the chemicals we are trying to avoid by using vapes? I've recently been seeing stuff about NETs and it has sparked my curiosity.
No one can be 100% certain that vaping is safe.
Although synthetic, lab-based flavorings (including tobacco) have been approved by the FDA for use in food, we can't be entirely sure that they're safe to inhale into our lungs---same with PG and VG. Curiously, nicotine may turn out to be one of the safest components in eliquids. Is nicotine addictive? You bet it is, but that's not the same as being physically harmful. Some vapers strive to cut down or eliminate nic, while others (me among them) are happy to get their nic fix in a way that seems healthier.
As for NETs (natural tobacco extracts used to flavor eliquids), the jury is out on whether or not they're harmless.
As someone who makes his own NET extracts, I can attest that a very small amount of tobacco is used. 15 grams of tobacco (about 3/4 of a pack of cigarettes) yield enough extract to make 500-800mls of juice. If it turns out down the road that NETs are potentially harmful, I'm going to be one unhappy vaper, because NET-based tobacco juices beat the hell out of synthetic, artificially-flavored tobacco juices in terms of flavor. While I still enjoy some synthetic, lab-based tobacco juices, I'd hate to have to go back to them exclusively. NETs have been a game-changer for me and many others.
In my personal opinion after three years of vaping, I'm not particularly worried about the VOCs (volatile organic chemicals) and tars that are a toxic by-product of smoking tobacco. First off, we don't smoke (burn) our tobacco, and second, the amounts of tobacco we take in are miniscule---almost microscopic---compared to smoking.
The bigger issues, I believe, might be connected to fluid build-up in the lungs. We inhale vapor, which has a high water content, and this is not something for which our lungs were designed. That said, my chronic smoker's cough---which was dreadful after 40 years of chain-smoking (I used to hack my guts out and cough up all sorts of nasty green-brown phlegm and gunk, which scared the hell out of me)---is entirely gone. I can breathe again. My doctor tells me that my lungs are clear.
I don't do direct lung hits, however. If I take too big a draw of a particularly intense eliquid, I do occasionally cough, but it's mild, sporadic, and doesn't worry me much. I just cut down on the nic concentration. dilute the juice a little, or take smaller drags, and I'm fine.
Thank you for your input Bill. You're quite knowledgeable.
I'm going to look more into NETs. I'm just mainly concerned about vaping any of those additives that get into cigarette tobacco. I'm not oppose to vaping juice with tobacco in it...if it's JUST tobacco.
Hell, that was my argument with cigarettes. It's like wow WHY is my cigarette glowing under a black light?! No thanks lol.
I'm going to look more into NETs. I'm just mainly concerned about vaping any of those additives that get into cigarette tobacco. I'm not oppose to vaping juice with tobacco in it...if it's JUST tobacco.
Hell, that was my argument with cigarettes. It's like wow WHY is my cigarette glowing under a black light?! No thanks lol.
That particular requirement is easily achieved. Simply vape only NETs made from tobacco that is organically grown and has no additives in processing. Retail juices made from those NETs are available.
Check out these two NET vendors:
MyVapeJuice
Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco
Diane at MVJ offers numerous NET juices and extracts made from organically-grown tobacco. She also sells some non-organic NETs that are all-natural and additive-free.
I don't know if Clay at N-E-T uses organically-grown tobacco (meaning grown without any chemical pesticides/herbicides) in any of his NET juices/extracts, but he sells at least a couple NET juices and extracts made from all-natural tobaccos with no additives.
The only organic RY4 I'm aware of is from OrbVapor, which advertises that all their juices are "organic." I'm not sure what that means, though, since Orb's RY4 is not made from an NET, as far as I know, and I have never seen any synthetic tobacco flavorings that are organic. At any rate, you could contact OrbVapor and ask.
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Yeah, if you have to vape 500-800 mL of liquid to equal a 3/4 a pack--even if it was chemical for chemical, which it's won't be without combustion--I'd say the harm has effectively been DRASTICALLY reduced!
Yeah, at 3mls per day for an average-quantity vaper, 600mls of juice will take more than six months to consume. 15 cigs over 200 days is roughly one cigarette every two weeks. Not much risk there.
Many decades ago, a landmark research study compared the life-long health profiles of three groups: 1. average to heavy smokers, 2. total non-smokers, and 3. people who smoked (on average) less than one cigarette per day. Guess which group was the healthiest overall? Obviously, the non-smokers were healthier as a group than the smokers, but the healthiest group of all was the group that smoked, but less than one cigarette per day.
I've always remembered that study, since it seemed to verify the 'spiritual' approach to life of "moderation in all things."
The problem with the study was that relatively few people are able to smoke less than one cigarette per day. Because of human nature, brain chemistry, and addictive habituation, smoking tobacco tends to become an all-or-nothing proposition. Perhaps this is one of the hidden benefits of vaping, since it allows NET vapers to easily gain membership in that third group, which is demographically the healthiest of all.
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It's funny, because I'm in that third group, something that I couldn't have think was remotely possibly. Not a cigarette a day, nor even a cigarette a week, but a few a year. I enjoy them on occasion without worry of relapsing into a full time smoker. I enjoy vaping so much more, but it hasn't ruined cigs for me. For the most part they are "meh", but they bring out a little nostalgia and it's kind of a social thing.
It may ruffle some peoples feathers a tad for a vaper to say such things (probably not too many here though), but I'm ok with that. I'm just so amazed that vaping has made it possible for me to be a very occasional social smoker. I can see how for many total abstinence is best option, but I don't find that necessary for myself.
Occasional smoking is for the most part known to be a harmless activity, but like you pointed out it's rare for a person to be able to do that. Being a vaper has allowed me to do that, and I understand how it feels to be one of those rare beings who are social smokers and never become addicted to cigs (though I am still very much addicted to nicotine). To be able to occasionally smoke without ever having the feeling of NEEDing a cigarette.. what a strange new world.
Why, you lucky dog! I tried smoking a cigarette about two years ago, after I'd not had one for more than a year (I quit cold turkey the same day I started vaping in October 2010). God, I wanted so much to like it! Sadly, I didn't. It tasted awful, and my lungs absolutely hated having to deal with smoke from burning tobacco. I couldn't even smoke half of it and haven't had another since.
Oh well, 50,000 cigarettes was probably enough for one life.
I'm around people smoking a lot, so I'm around the smell, and I think that's part of why the nasties don't taste nasty to me. I'm used to the smell, and don't mind the smell, of someone smoking.. but the stale smell of someone who's a smoker (my old smell) is now pretty ish to me, and STRONG.
I have a slightly different take on this, but similar to Jerms. I've posted about this, but lately I've been getting a bit swamped by galleries asking me for work (paintings), and in addition to being a first time stay-at-home dad, the culmination of expectations and commitments got me more stressed than my overly tired mind wanted to handle. So, I did smoke 2 cigs (actually just a half of one two times). Was it enjoyable? VERY much so. But here's the thing, it wasn't what I used to smoke (NAS blue pack or any kind of Nat Sherman). It was an RYO (Bugler).
What I found to be most interesting was that the tobacco, while burning, didn't stink. Oh, no. It actually smelled and tasted good. And, what's even more crazy is that I didn't stink. The next morning, even though I only had half that first night, my wife didn't smell it on me. If that had been any of the pre-rolled cigs I had smoked before (B&Ms, Bidis, Newports, Camels, NAS, NS) it would have been ALL UP ON ME after one hit! So after having all that time off from smoking, what I realized is that there is something vastly different from RYO and pre-rolled--even from the same brand.
Over the past year I have smoked (or attempted to smoke) a pre-rolled NAS blue pack cig (my old trusty) and it flat out tasted nasty and smelled horrid. It's been too long since I used to RYO with NAS, but I have gotten word from a friend that the can of blue NAS provides a similar experience as I had with Bugler RYO.
Anyway, that was two weeks ago when I smoked half an RYO on two separate nights and I haven't had any desire to have another (and I've turned down two shows. LOL). If I want another RYO, I will have another, but I am pretty much certain that this pouch will go stale before I do--if I do.
I was on RYO cigarettes for about the last 8 years that I smoked, and I agree that it is a world away from commercial cigarettes. IMO the best of the best was D&R (Daughters and Ryan Tobacco). They produce the finest cigarette tobacco ever offered, and it's still fairly cheap since they rebranded everything as pipe tobacco without changing anything else.
Between the Two Timer Double Toasted Burley, the Windsail Virginia Blend, and the Ramback Turkish Blend I could blend the perfect American cigarette.
One of these days I'm going to buy some and try a DIY NET from these D&R classics. I'd like to have a steam distiller to extract the essential oils first, though....at least from the Virginia and Turkish. I don't think a simple soak would do them justice.
May be a little late but I ordered from N-E-T on Oct 31st and rec'd an email late yesterday from Monica Packard...
Mr. Mann, and Vapor Mizer... if you were on the RYO forums before June of '09 we likely ran into each other
I was big on D&R's "Rowland Light" at the time - still have a stash of it for post apocalypse "currency" or in case ecigs are banned entirely 
I recall people asking about duplicating the Nat Sherman 'taste' with RYO blends...
Why do I keep trying to find another RY4? I have several that I really like.
But I went to Butterfly's RY4 - Butterfly's eJuices Store for a 50% off sale ($7 for 30ml, $3 shipping), and ordered a bottle. It will probably be added to the ever expanding care package to Bill for review.
But I went to Butterfly's RY4 - Butterfly's eJuices Store for a 50% off sale ($7 for 30ml, $3 shipping), and ordered a bottle. It will probably be added to the ever expanding care package to Bill for review.
I did it again! This time I only bought 10ml, with code "5OFF" ($5 off any order), so it was $3.26 shipped.
http://www.sandsmods.com/old-4/
Reviews are promising (after two week steep).
http://www.sandsmods.com/old-4/
Reviews are promising (after two week steep).
Anyone looking to grab one of Bill's "A" grade RY4s, Halo has a Veteran's Weekend sale 20% off. Coupon code is "Freedom."
As a vet and someone who likes Tribeca, I would say kudos to Halo for offering few coupon codes, but offering them when it means the most.
I will say the mix is the real value of RY4. I accidentally left behind my miracle mix of Heavenly Tobacco/ECBlend Ry4/Hanseng RY4 on my desk for a trip out of town. I was forced to vape HHV Heavenly Army and other non-favorites. Although HA came through last night, it was only meh today. I had my subordinate who joined me later on the trip bring me my 15ml bottle of RY4 magic, and it was delivered in my absolute time of need.
RY4, don't leave home without it.
As a vet and someone who likes Tribeca, I would say kudos to Halo for offering few coupon codes, but offering them when it means the most.
I will say the mix is the real value of RY4. I accidentally left behind my miracle mix of Heavenly Tobacco/ECBlend Ry4/Hanseng RY4 on my desk for a trip out of town. I was forced to vape HHV Heavenly Army and other non-favorites. Although HA came through last night, it was only meh today. I had my subordinate who joined me later on the trip bring me my 15ml bottle of RY4 magic, and it was delivered in my absolute time of need.
RY4, don't leave home without it.
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