The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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Bill...you deserve some kind of award (or gratis sanitarium vacation). This is most wonderful!
Butterfly at 70/30 in a mini protank with about .5 of MOV Rambler. Pretty D@mn good.
Mr vape recently had a 25% off sale. I ordered 30ml of RY4 and a sample of Banana Nut Bread. This is what I received:
OH NOOO!! I immediately sent a contact message about the mix up in my order. Strange I did not get a reply. Sent another message, no reply. Very strange for Tommy and Cameron. In my desperation I sent Cameron a message here on ECF. He got right back to me saying they seem to be having problems with their contact messages, sorry for the problem, and he would send a new bottle of RY4 out that day. I put both bottles aside and left the next day on a business trip over the weekend.
Today I got home and there was a new bottle of RY4 in my mailbox. I decided to just add the sample of RY4 to my current bottle that had about 5-6ml left in it. I opened both bottles, poured and WHAT????
I smell BANANA!! Seems the order was correct. The labels were wrong. So now I have about 12ml of Banana Nut Bread RY4 and 2 30ml bottles of RY4.
Now I felt real silly. To set my conscience at ease I sent Cameron an email and attached the picture to explain my confusion. I offered to pay for the second bottle. If I had just opened the bottles and sniffed I would have known the labels were reversed. Cameron wrote back and thanked me for my honesty and to just keep the second bottle because of the confusion.
What great customer service! And to top it off, BNBRY4 is an interesting flavor. A banana nutty RY4. Talk about custom!!! But I find it very vapable.
Cameron said he will have to try it.. LOL!
OH NOOO!! I immediately sent a contact message about the mix up in my order. Strange I did not get a reply. Sent another message, no reply. Very strange for Tommy and Cameron. In my desperation I sent Cameron a message here on ECF. He got right back to me saying they seem to be having problems with their contact messages, sorry for the problem, and he would send a new bottle of RY4 out that day. I put both bottles aside and left the next day on a business trip over the weekend.
Today I got home and there was a new bottle of RY4 in my mailbox. I decided to just add the sample of RY4 to my current bottle that had about 5-6ml left in it. I opened both bottles, poured and WHAT????
I smell BANANA!! Seems the order was correct. The labels were wrong. So now I have about 12ml of Banana Nut Bread RY4 and 2 30ml bottles of RY4.Now I felt real silly. To set my conscience at ease I sent Cameron an email and attached the picture to explain my confusion. I offered to pay for the second bottle. If I had just opened the bottles and sniffed I would have known the labels were reversed. Cameron wrote back and thanked me for my honesty and to just keep the second bottle because of the confusion.
What great customer service! And to top it off, BNBRY4 is an interesting flavor. A banana nutty RY4. Talk about custom!!! But I find it very vapable.
Cameron said he will have to try it.. LOL!
To alleviate any possible latent guilt you may have, feel free to send me the mislabeled bottle. In that I hope you can move forward with a clear mind.
Thanks for the offer Cool, but I have a nice label maker
. Now if you would like some BNBRY4 I am sure I could spare a few mls. 
Cameron set my mind at ease. 
Frankenjuicing RY4s---either with other RY4s or non-RY4 juices/flavorings---is sort of like moving from Newtonian physics, with its comfortable, sensible particle-based billard-ball mechanics, into the looney-tunes realm of sub-atomic Quantum physics, with its wave-particle conundrums, quarks, and string theory multiple universes.
Dealing with "regular" RY4s is fairly straightforward, even with all the variations. It's like rating Top-40 pop music on a 1960s American Bandstand show: "Well, Mr. Clark (ECF won't let me write his first name), that song has a good beat, you can dance to it, I give it about a 75." Start mixing RY4s together with other juices, and suddenly you've crossed over in the Twilight Zone---is it Dub? Hip Hop? Grunge? Punk? Industrial Techno? World Music? John Cage 12-tone? What?
I know, I'm mixing my metaphors. That's just how my mind works. LOL.
Dealing with "regular" RY4s is fairly straightforward, even with all the variations. It's like rating Top-40 pop music on a 1960s American Bandstand show: "Well, Mr. Clark (ECF won't let me write his first name), that song has a good beat, you can dance to it, I give it about a 75." Start mixing RY4s together with other juices, and suddenly you've crossed over in the Twilight Zone---is it Dub? Hip Hop? Grunge? Punk? Industrial Techno? World Music? John Cage 12-tone? What?
I know, I'm mixing my metaphors. That's just how my mind works. LOL.
It's taken me three years to learn to mix juices. By contrast, I've had 64 years to learn to mix metaphors. Both are great fun.
THEN I ordered another 30ml of Butterfly's while it was still 50% off and before the shipping deadline before they moved. Still not shipped after almost 3 weeks. I am used to their slow shipping but this was getting rediculous and with the move? I leave in 2 weeks for a 6 week road trip and getting my stash together. I emailed Kyra and she got back to me apologetic and said she would get it right out. Along with another flavor of my choice on the house. I love her Pina Colada but after this debacle I asked for, get this, Banana Nut Bread! I am going to get my banana yet and I will sniff before I pour!
Still no shipping notice but perhaps it will just show up in my mailbox.
Well at least I brought some action to this wonderful thread.
pardon the typos, on my phone
Still no shipping notice but perhaps it will just show up in my mailbox.
Well at least I brought some action to this wonderful thread.
pardon the typos, on my phone
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Specs: The 30ml bottle of River Bottom Fog Sauce KillR Y4 sent to me for free by Brian through VapingWatch contains a medium-caramel-colored liquid with a slight but pleasing nose mixed at 16mg nic in either a 60/40 or 40/60 PG/VG base (I cant remember which). I didnt steep the juice very long because RBFS juices are supposed to be steeped for three weeks before sale. Testing was done in my old-school way, by dripping the liquid into a standard JoyeTech 2.2 ohm 510 atomizer powered by a VAMO v3 set to 9 watts RMS. I also loaded the juice into a CE2 Ultimate Clearomizer, which is now antiquated technology, but still the JDS I use to test-compare RY4s head-to-head, since about 80 of my 160 RY4s are loaded into those particular clearos.
From the VapingWatch product page description:
I presume that Brian put together his own tobacco blend and infused the other flavorings. But maybe not. If a commercial blend was used, Id sure like to know what it is, although asking would be impolite.
KillR Y4 is a NET-based RY4, which is to say an RY4 that uses natural tobacco extract flavoring rather than synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavor. That makes it, by definition, a Custom (rather than Classic) RY4, whose main competition comes from four other NET-based Custom retail RY4s---VapeRite VR4, GoodEJuice GJ4, MountainOakVapors Full Virginia Flake RY4, and QuickNicJuice ouR whY qu4tro. Id include Rogue RY4 from MyVapeJuice as the fifth, but Diane doesnt seem to offer Rogue RY4 any more. Other NET-based retail Custom RY4s are available, but the four I listed are deservedly the most popular and well-known.
[Note: Im not including Want2Vape RY4, since I have the DIY version made from w2vs all-in-one flavoring, and Im also not including RY4s that use Tobacco Absolute in the group (Mom&PopVaporShop RY4 and RY4v2, Moondrop RY42, and others), because TA has its own eccentric flavor profile, and TA-based RY4s taste decidedly different than NET-based RY4s.]
The tobacco element of Classic RY4s is effectively hidden---neutral synthetic tobacco provides a base flavor, which is then merged with caramel, vanilla, and sometimes other flavors, into a single unified taste. Custom RY4s separate the flavors and highlight their individual tastes. NET-based RY4s add the additional element of authentic tobacco flavor, which often leads. GeJ GJ4 makes tobacco the star, backed by assistance from caramel and vanilla that are present but not quite center-stage. GJ4 is clearly the most tobacco-dominant of the top-tier NET group (and the least RY4-like), followed by MOV FVF RY4, which is better balanced, then QnJ ouR whY qu4tro, which is both balanced and assertive in all its flavors. RBFS KillR Y4 has the least tobacco presence of any NET-based RY4 Ive vaped. Oh, its there, but its not strong. KillR Y4 reminds me of RBFS Pirates Drunken Sweet Tooth, except with even more sweetness of a type that---as the description states---mirrors an RY4.
On my first draw of KillR Y4, my brain whispered three words: Sweet, very sweet. Is it dessert sweet? Yes, definitely. Pastry? Maple syrup? Molasses? I cant discern any particular kind of sweetness, except that the sweet flavors---whatever they happen to be---are soft, expansive, and close enough to caramel-vanilla to qualify this juice as an RY4. In overall flavor profile, Id put KillR Y4 midway between the rich caramel of VapeRite VR4 and the even-tempered tobacco/caramel/vanilla of QuickNic ouR whY qu4tro.
Would KillR Y4 be better with a stronger tobacco presence? For me, the answer is yes, but I understand that a change in the balance can alter a juice like this in unexpected ways. Perhaps Brians stated target audience of someone looking to try Naturally Extracted Tobacco for the 1st time is a savvy marketing decision.
Will NET veterans or those who love unadorned tobacco flavors enjoy KillR Y4? Perhaps, but only for about five minutes. In addition, RY4 aficionados who lean away from sweet, dessert-style RY4s can look elsewhere. Move on. Nothing here to see.
For dessert RY4 lovers who want a natural tobacco presence that doesnt overwhelm or compete with the sweetness, KillR Y4 could be the answer to their prayers. Also, anyone who likes sweet juices in general would be well advised to give KillR Y4 a try.
Im interested to see how time affects KillR Y4. Will steeping diminish the sweetness somewhat? Will it bring the tobacco forward more? VR4 and ouR whY qu4tro are best fresh. Both are serious reverse-steepers, as they lose over time some of what makes them special. In VR4s case the caramel gets funky, and ouR whY qu4tro loses much of its almost effervescent sparkle, punch, and some of its vapor production. By contrast, GeJ GJ4 and MOV FVF RY4 both hold their own with great stability over time. Theyre every bit as good after a year as they were on Day One. Well see how well KillR Y4 holds up to long-term steeping.
RBFS KillR Y4 grade: B
Link to purchase: RBFS KillR Y4 from VapingWatch
From the VapingWatch product page description:
A mixture of mainly burley and Cavendish with a sprinkling of Virginia, [KillR Y4] is cased with flavorings closely mirroring an RY4. Without a doubt the sweetest Fog Sauce in the line-up. Both the taste and the aroma are in that sweet spot of pastry, cotton candy, maple syrup and molasses, making it easy to recommend this as a perfect dessert vape. KillrY4 would be perfect for someone looking to try Naturally Extracted Tobacco for the 1st time.
I presume that Brian put together his own tobacco blend and infused the other flavorings. But maybe not. If a commercial blend was used, Id sure like to know what it is, although asking would be impolite.
KillR Y4 is a NET-based RY4, which is to say an RY4 that uses natural tobacco extract flavoring rather than synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavor. That makes it, by definition, a Custom (rather than Classic) RY4, whose main competition comes from four other NET-based Custom retail RY4s---VapeRite VR4, GoodEJuice GJ4, MountainOakVapors Full Virginia Flake RY4, and QuickNicJuice ouR whY qu4tro. Id include Rogue RY4 from MyVapeJuice as the fifth, but Diane doesnt seem to offer Rogue RY4 any more. Other NET-based retail Custom RY4s are available, but the four I listed are deservedly the most popular and well-known.
[Note: Im not including Want2Vape RY4, since I have the DIY version made from w2vs all-in-one flavoring, and Im also not including RY4s that use Tobacco Absolute in the group (Mom&PopVaporShop RY4 and RY4v2, Moondrop RY42, and others), because TA has its own eccentric flavor profile, and TA-based RY4s taste decidedly different than NET-based RY4s.]
The tobacco element of Classic RY4s is effectively hidden---neutral synthetic tobacco provides a base flavor, which is then merged with caramel, vanilla, and sometimes other flavors, into a single unified taste. Custom RY4s separate the flavors and highlight their individual tastes. NET-based RY4s add the additional element of authentic tobacco flavor, which often leads. GeJ GJ4 makes tobacco the star, backed by assistance from caramel and vanilla that are present but not quite center-stage. GJ4 is clearly the most tobacco-dominant of the top-tier NET group (and the least RY4-like), followed by MOV FVF RY4, which is better balanced, then QnJ ouR whY qu4tro, which is both balanced and assertive in all its flavors. RBFS KillR Y4 has the least tobacco presence of any NET-based RY4 Ive vaped. Oh, its there, but its not strong. KillR Y4 reminds me of RBFS Pirates Drunken Sweet Tooth, except with even more sweetness of a type that---as the description states---mirrors an RY4.
On my first draw of KillR Y4, my brain whispered three words: Sweet, very sweet. Is it dessert sweet? Yes, definitely. Pastry? Maple syrup? Molasses? I cant discern any particular kind of sweetness, except that the sweet flavors---whatever they happen to be---are soft, expansive, and close enough to caramel-vanilla to qualify this juice as an RY4. In overall flavor profile, Id put KillR Y4 midway between the rich caramel of VapeRite VR4 and the even-tempered tobacco/caramel/vanilla of QuickNic ouR whY qu4tro.
Would KillR Y4 be better with a stronger tobacco presence? For me, the answer is yes, but I understand that a change in the balance can alter a juice like this in unexpected ways. Perhaps Brians stated target audience of someone looking to try Naturally Extracted Tobacco for the 1st time is a savvy marketing decision.
Will NET veterans or those who love unadorned tobacco flavors enjoy KillR Y4? Perhaps, but only for about five minutes. In addition, RY4 aficionados who lean away from sweet, dessert-style RY4s can look elsewhere. Move on. Nothing here to see.
For dessert RY4 lovers who want a natural tobacco presence that doesnt overwhelm or compete with the sweetness, KillR Y4 could be the answer to their prayers. Also, anyone who likes sweet juices in general would be well advised to give KillR Y4 a try.
Im interested to see how time affects KillR Y4. Will steeping diminish the sweetness somewhat? Will it bring the tobacco forward more? VR4 and ouR whY qu4tro are best fresh. Both are serious reverse-steepers, as they lose over time some of what makes them special. In VR4s case the caramel gets funky, and ouR whY qu4tro loses much of its almost effervescent sparkle, punch, and some of its vapor production. By contrast, GeJ GJ4 and MOV FVF RY4 both hold their own with great stability over time. Theyre every bit as good after a year as they were on Day One. Well see how well KillR Y4 holds up to long-term steeping.
RBFS KillR Y4 grade: B
Link to purchase: RBFS KillR Y4 from VapingWatch
So are all "custom's" natural extracted tobacco in your list (I can't tolerate synthetics.) Also my fav over Killer is vaperites VR4 and I am surprised High brow isn't on the list in case I missed it, the make a very strong natural tobacco RY$, really helped me quit analogs but too expensive for everday vape.
I'm afraid NET.com may have seen the hand writing on the wall with the FDA stepping in. Also another sign is the ebay ban, I can't tell you how consitant that is a predictor for state and fed bans/regs.
What setup do you have? I have an aerotank on a provari and the coils are very delicate? Seems the don't like cleaning with water. When I used HEET (wood alcohol) only they seem to survive if I let then dry a day.
Also I wanted to post a mini review (I'm not very verbose) of MFMikes's Orlic Hops blend. I smoke 24 mg nic, but my sample is only 9mg. Yet I absolutely love it, the hops are very flavorfull. Its a tad weak on vapor with my equipment, but not objectionable, its a real winner I can't drink now but I used to enjoy a healthy Pilsner and this brings back that wonderful hops flavor I haven't experienced in years. Likes Mike.
Hi everyone,
I wanted to give you all the heads up that buttery's eliquid is back on sale. This week everything is half off. As weeks pass the savings will change to 40%off then to 30%off and so on until everything is back to full price. My advise to everyone is to buy now because you never know if the sale will end early.
I wanted to give you all the heads up that buttery's eliquid is back on sale. This week everything is half off. As weeks pass the savings will change to 40%off then to 30%off and so on until everything is back to full price. My advise to everyone is to buy now because you never know if the sale will end early.
For Butterfly's, although I love her RY4, be prepared to wait. My order from before her (Kyra) sale cut off to ship date (ordered May 18) still has not shipped. I emailed her last week and she was getting right on it, along with a free bottle of my choice for the wait. Nothing. Another email and now changed to awaiting shipping - for 2 days. Don't get me wrong, I WILL receive my order, no question. But I think things got kind of mixed up with her move and want people to be aware. My experience is she is slow to ship, but you will receive an excellent product. No vendor bashing here, or really alerts, just a be aware and be patient. I will continue to order from her. I like her product, I just want my juice!!!
A postscript to my review of River Bottom Fog Sauce KillR Y4 that was posted on Tuesday night:
I've been vaping KillR Y4 quite happily this evening for more than an hour, and that says something, since I don't normally vape any one juice for more than about 20 minutes at a stretch before changing juices. An hour means that I'm enjoying it a lot.
30 RY4s are listed as Dessert/Sweet on the RY4 Category Groups page, and if I were to rank just those sweeter RY4s, KillR Y4 would be right near the top, and might even be a contender for #1 among Dessert/Sweet RY4s.
KillR Y4 has three things going for it: First, it uses natural tobacco extract, which beats the heck out of most synthetic tobacco flavorings; second, it's a very tasty Dessert RY4, and third, it's just a darn good sweet juice in general. I'd put KillR Y4 right alongside GoodLifeVapor's Deadly Sin, one of my all-time favorite "mystery blend" sweet juices, and a juice that I've vaped nearly every day for the past year. It's too soon for me to claim that KillR Y4 is as delicious as Deadly Sin---that will depend on KillR Y4's long-term staying power, as yet unproven---but it's definitely got my attention.
The sweetness in KillR Y4 is soft and pleasing---expansive rather than intense---probably because the sweet flavorings (I have it on good authority that those are caramel, vanilla, and a little honey) were "cased" with the actual tobacco (meaning sprayed onto the leaves during curing). Those flavors were then infused into the tobacco by the extraction process itself---in this case a simple-soak maceration. In other words, when the juice was mixed, separate flavorings weren't used for the tobacco, caramel, and vanilla elements. Instead, KillR Y4 was made with only a single flavoring extract, which amounts to an all-in-one RY4 flavoring.
So, I'm raising my grade for KillR Y4 to a B+. Another couple evenings like this, and it might even deserve an A-.
I've been vaping KillR Y4 quite happily this evening for more than an hour, and that says something, since I don't normally vape any one juice for more than about 20 minutes at a stretch before changing juices. An hour means that I'm enjoying it a lot.
30 RY4s are listed as Dessert/Sweet on the RY4 Category Groups page, and if I were to rank just those sweeter RY4s, KillR Y4 would be right near the top, and might even be a contender for #1 among Dessert/Sweet RY4s.
KillR Y4 has three things going for it: First, it uses natural tobacco extract, which beats the heck out of most synthetic tobacco flavorings; second, it's a very tasty Dessert RY4, and third, it's just a darn good sweet juice in general. I'd put KillR Y4 right alongside GoodLifeVapor's Deadly Sin, one of my all-time favorite "mystery blend" sweet juices, and a juice that I've vaped nearly every day for the past year. It's too soon for me to claim that KillR Y4 is as delicious as Deadly Sin---that will depend on KillR Y4's long-term staying power, as yet unproven---but it's definitely got my attention.
The sweetness in KillR Y4 is soft and pleasing---expansive rather than intense---probably because the sweet flavorings (I have it on good authority that those are caramel, vanilla, and a little honey) were "cased" with the actual tobacco (meaning sprayed onto the leaves during curing). Those flavors were then infused into the tobacco by the extraction process itself---in this case a simple-soak maceration. In other words, when the juice was mixed, separate flavorings weren't used for the tobacco, caramel, and vanilla elements. Instead, KillR Y4 was made with only a single flavoring extract, which amounts to an all-in-one RY4 flavoring.
So, I'm raising my grade for KillR Y4 to a B+. Another couple evenings like this, and it might even deserve an A-.
I've never had an issue with my orders taking a long time. If anything I would have to say she has shipped my orders in record time. Think positive thoughts and your package will be in your mailbox before you know it.
I've never had an issue with my orders taking a long time. If anything I would have to say she has shipped my orders in record time. Think positive thoughts and your package will be in your mailbox before you know it.
My orders took 4 weeks and 3 weeks, but I ordered during the mega sales. Sometimes you just have to expect delays.
If you like caramel tobacco, Killer Juice has their RY4 on sale for $0.99/15ml. I think limit is three.
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