Interesting article on why uwell won't make ceramic coils.
The Truth and Science behind Ceramic Coils
The Truth and Science behind Ceramic Coils
The Truth and Science behind Ceramic Coils
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Pretty interesting. I know it's a hot topic for debate, and I won't pretend to understand any of it, but I'm gonna steer clear just in case.
I've tried one ceramic coil and it was only marginally better/different from standard. So for me it's not worth any risk of the unknown. There's already enough risk built into vaping (even if minor.) I say why add in anything else.
I've tried one ceramic coil and it was only marginally better/different from standard. So for me it's not worth any risk of the unknown. There's already enough risk built into vaping (even if minor.) I say why add in anything else.
Truth and science? Hmm. Mind you, I do not currently use ceramic coils. I would also like to point out that Uwell presented this information to justify their policy to not develop such products. Their entire scientific argument consists of "if you look under the microscope, you can see all these little particles of glass, and ceramic is silica which can cause silicosis".
Two problems immediately come to mind. The first, does Uwell show these particles are present in vapor? Shouldn't be all that hard to do if they have a lab. Second, what is Uwell comparing the toxicity of ceramic to? While they don't quite get around to that. The option chosen by them, other manufacturers, and myself for wicking is cotton. Burning cotton (blech dry hit) is known to produce both formaldehyde and acrolein, both toxic, and in the case of formaldehyde, carcinogenic.
From slide #3 "The glasslike particles are not uniform and appear to be uneven and chaotic. The tiny glass pieces have sharp surfaces that can scratch the trachea and alveoli when used. The black spots could also be unrefined toxic material that could have impurities."
OK. The tiny "glass pieces" (and ceramic is not glass, although glass can be considered sorta a sub-type of ceramic). They may have sharp edges, yet no evidence is provided that those particles are actually inhaled or present in vapor, nor is any documentation of them "scratching the trachea or alveoli". The black spots COULD be toxic material, it could also be black spots of no significance. If you test a black spot and find it is a toxic material, tell us what it is. Not just unknown black spots.
Bottom line, I don't know the full health risks (if any) from ceramic coils. This is a superficial bit of pseudoscience (yay, Uwell can use a microscope) written to scare folks off from using ceramic coils, which just so happen to be made by Uwell competitors. The whole thing reads like something I'd expect the FDA to publish to justify saving the children from the evils of ceramic (they should probably ban those ceramic classes kids go to at school to make pottery too).
Two problems immediately come to mind. The first, does Uwell show these particles are present in vapor? Shouldn't be all that hard to do if they have a lab. Second, what is Uwell comparing the toxicity of ceramic to? While they don't quite get around to that. The option chosen by them, other manufacturers, and myself for wicking is cotton. Burning cotton (blech dry hit) is known to produce both formaldehyde and acrolein, both toxic, and in the case of formaldehyde, carcinogenic.
From slide #3 "The glasslike particles are not uniform and appear to be uneven and chaotic. The tiny glass pieces have sharp surfaces that can scratch the trachea and alveoli when used. The black spots could also be unrefined toxic material that could have impurities."
OK. The tiny "glass pieces" (and ceramic is not glass, although glass can be considered sorta a sub-type of ceramic). They may have sharp edges, yet no evidence is provided that those particles are actually inhaled or present in vapor, nor is any documentation of them "scratching the trachea or alveoli". The black spots COULD be toxic material, it could also be black spots of no significance. If you test a black spot and find it is a toxic material, tell us what it is. Not just unknown black spots.
Bottom line, I don't know the full health risks (if any) from ceramic coils. This is a superficial bit of pseudoscience (yay, Uwell can use a microscope) written to scare folks off from using ceramic coils, which just so happen to be made by Uwell competitors. The whole thing reads like something I'd expect the FDA to publish to justify saving the children from the evils of ceramic (they should probably ban those ceramic classes kids go to at school to make pottery too).
Yes, been seeing a lot of posts lately about Ceramic Coils and this from Uwell. I am somewhat confused as to why Uwell chose to do this supposedly scientific study and would love to see some market data from one of the manufacturers of ceramic coils.
RE: Uwell's Crown II coils
At the very least they were honest about the poor performance of their Crown II coils and said they are working to improve them.
At the very least they were honest about the poor performance of their Crown II coils and said they are working to improve them.
Hmmmm. Sounds very pseudo-sciencey, i particurlarly like the questionaire at the end asking if you would buy ceramic coils after reading the articles. Maybe if enough people answer yes then they may change their minds in regards the 'dangers' (or develop a wonderful new type of ceramic that doesn't cause DEATH)...
Judgement reserved until someone without an interest produces a credible article.
Judgement reserved until someone without an interest produces a credible article.
I was looking into ceramic coils, just for their ease of use for my hubby(I will convert him to rba eventually), I figured out that microscopic pieces could break off all on my own. thing is, we're already inhaling tiny nasty particles every time we go out of doors, especially if you live in the city(exhaust, construction etc). their asinine article did not impress me, especially the poll at the end. who does a poll for that? great give them more ammo to use against us, while they disregard the benes anyhow...
At least it's not a bad idea to hold out on buying ceramic coils untill
more is known about the properties and dangers of that wicking material, imo.
That's what i do with all materials that are new to vaping.
more is known about the properties and dangers of that wicking material, imo.
That's what i do with all materials that are new to vaping.
I think that's a personal decision folks need to make. Nothing wrong with being conservative. Until more is known, a wait and see approach is reasonable. I am unaware of any information to suggest a ceramic coil represents any particular risk, and I would not suggest anyone refrain from use because of hypothetical health risks.
For me, the biggest risk associated with the albeit limited ceramic coil experience I've had is that of a fear my head will explode out of frustration with another freaking leaky ceramic coil. But that is a different issue.
yes, while I am vaping i'm going to get in there and scrape it at the same time with a device, cause that's just how a vape yo!
Scrape or agitate any dry wicking material and particles will be released. Silica, Cotton, Blue Foam, Ceramic, even SS mesh. All that proves is everything has a degree of friability. The real questions are 'are particles released when VAPING and are the particles HARMFUL' ?
I have seen nothing that answers the questions that matter......
I have seen nothing that answers the questions that matter......
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