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And, the above was just another horrid example of how the vaping industry is its own worst enemy.
Some popular reviewers cater to whoever pays the bills or offers them the most 'free stuff' to 'give away' and push / further misinformation about competitors products. Especially those products that cut their % of the market & sales in half or less by bringing a better product to the market.
The Bio ceramic cloth aspired used in the original nautilus heads was & still is to this day the 'best' wicking material I've ever used.
The originator, the very first, the OG of all ceramic coil/wicking known today.
Done & perfected that many years ago, just in the last few others are starting to get near what aspire accomplished many years ago.
All poo poo'ed on because competitors could not compete, many years behind.
Some popular reviewers cater to whoever pays the bills or offers them the most 'free stuff' to 'give away' and push / further misinformation about competitors products. Especially those products that cut their % of the market & sales in half or less by bringing a better product to the market.
The Bio ceramic cloth aspired used in the original nautilus heads was & still is to this day the 'best' wicking material I've ever used.
The originator, the very first, the OG of all ceramic coil/wicking known today.
Done & perfected that many years ago, just in the last few others are starting to get near what aspire accomplished many years ago.
All poo poo'ed on because competitors could not compete, many years behind.
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Can you tell the difference between a fresh moon pie and a five year old moon pie? The other day I found one labeled "Made in Egypt by Tutankhamen, Inc". I found it in East BF Egypt, Kentucky. It tasted fresh to me. Kind of like the late lamented Twinkie, Moon Pies will out last the destruction of the pyramids.
But to be serious or at least try, I have done many of those dangerous things myself and some not mentioned. I also read all of the latest health studies "indicating" or "suggesting" one thing or another, if I don't like what is indicated or suggested then I look around for studies that I do like and I immediately choose to believe those that say to me, "Keep doing what you want, Mike". There is always one more study coming around to contradict an earlier study, so I am always safe.
I vape with RXW, have for years, get my yearly cancer xray (probably I'll die of radiation exposure before the RXW gets me).
But to be serious or at least try, I have done many of those dangerous things myself and some not mentioned. I also read all of the latest health studies "indicating" or "suggesting" one thing or another, if I don't like what is indicated or suggested then I look around for studies that I do like and I immediately choose to believe those that say to me, "Keep doing what you want, Mike". There is always one more study coming around to contradict an earlier study, so I am always safe.
I vape with RXW, have for years, get my yearly cancer xray (probably I'll die of radiation exposure before the RXW gets me).
Said reviewer is not without his faults. But he gave the tank/coil system a favorable review and recommended it. He did go into detail on the wick material, and did express his concerns but also stated he was unsure of any hazards. Personally I think that is being honest and upfront and allowing the viewer to make their own decisions based on the info provided.
Obviously you weren't around when the nautilus first came out.
There were several 'reviewers' giving examples of how the material could be, might be, possibly is dangerous.
Their understanding & detail of the wicking material was uneducated BS.
Same bio ceramic cloth used in heart & artery repair surgeries, same bio ceramic cloth used in various respirators / dust & particle masks worn for decades and still in use today, same bio ceramic cloth used in heat rejection fire inhibiting cloth, clothing, footwear and full face masks / the breathe through variety.
But somehow when placed in an atomizer saturated with liquid used for vaping, might be, possibly,, oh the horror.
But, but, but he said, watch the video, look at what happens to this material when you do everything possible that would never occur during vaping.
Didja know that more than one reviewer purposefully dry burned the hooey out of those coils before their disassembly & unsure of any hazards buffoonery.
Or that the fumes from burnt cotton or rayon are way up there on the hazardous to inhale scale.
Could be / might / possibly be sends a ripple of doubt, most folks believe negativity, hype & BS over fact, it isn't an uncommon phenomenon.
One of, if not the most popular manufacturer at the time got beat, badly, by surprise, by a lesser known at the time much smaller competitor.
Poo was flung to save face and lessen the revenue loss.
Smaller competitor had to change to what was commonly accepted / 'the norm at the time' or risk not surviving the melee at all.
There were several 'reviewers' giving examples of how the material could be, might be, possibly is dangerous.
Their understanding & detail of the wicking material was uneducated BS.
Same bio ceramic cloth used in heart & artery repair surgeries, same bio ceramic cloth used in various respirators / dust & particle masks worn for decades and still in use today, same bio ceramic cloth used in heat rejection fire inhibiting cloth, clothing, footwear and full face masks / the breathe through variety.
But somehow when placed in an atomizer saturated with liquid used for vaping, might be, possibly,, oh the horror.
But, but, but he said, watch the video, look at what happens to this material when you do everything possible that would never occur during vaping.
Didja know that more than one reviewer purposefully dry burned the hooey out of those coils before their disassembly & unsure of any hazards buffoonery.
Or that the fumes from burnt cotton or rayon are way up there on the hazardous to inhale scale.
Could be / might / possibly be sends a ripple of doubt, most folks believe negativity, hype & BS over fact, it isn't an uncommon phenomenon.
One of, if not the most popular manufacturer at the time got beat, badly, by surprise, by a lesser known at the time much smaller competitor.
Poo was flung to save face and lessen the revenue loss.
Smaller competitor had to change to what was commonly accepted / 'the norm at the time' or risk not surviving the melee at all.
Well, I was around but not into vaping. But my timeframe into vaping has nothing to do with this. The above review was positive but expressed an unknown. I fail to see that as poo being flung. If other reviewers discredit these coils based on a biased opinion, that was not mentioned in the above review - which I may add is what you pointed to.
Now, is bio ceramic used in all ceramic coils? The coil the OP is concerned about is not a cloth, but a porous solid that is quite fragile.
Now, is bio ceramic used in all ceramic coils? The coil the OP is concerned about is not a cloth, but a porous solid that is quite fragile.
Valid to be stating "we don't know yet".
All of this gives me a headache but my aspirin causes ulcers, my tylenol murders my liver and motrin causes brain cancer...
And I'm not sure how old the moon pies were but they were found in a desk drawer in a room nobody had been in for several years. Can't say it was scrumpcious, but not bad.
Later after my pop had passed away we found his old lunch pale, which had a moon pie in it. That one was better.
All of this gives me a headache but my aspirin causes ulcers, my tylenol murders my liver and motrin causes brain cancer...
And I'm not sure how old the moon pies were but they were found in a desk drawer in a room nobody had been in for several years. Can't say it was scrumpcious, but not bad.
Later after my pop had passed away we found his old lunch pale, which had a moon pie in it. That one was better.
I don't understand something why this thread is creating arguments? I started this topic to ask for individual opinions and not that you guys start arguing over it.
After doing my own research (which can be wrong) I decided to not go near ceramics until I see a solid evidence by some reputable body that it is safe to use. My understanding is that there are two possibilities if this study.
A) Ceramic coils are safe.
B) Ceramic coils may cause health issues.
Now I will decide if to keep using ceramic coils if I feel they are safe or I can stay away from them. Its just matter of personal choice. If someone wants to vape them he or she can do that gladly but if someone wants to stay away from them he or she can do so.
About the rip trippers, I see him always posting unbiased reviews. He bashed vaporesso skrr tank even when it is sent by Vaporesso to him for the review. I always see him mention good or bad about any products he reviews. But again he can be wrong but he can be right too.
My logic says that unless proven we can't say its safe or unsafe. But everyone is entitled to his or her opinion about it. If you feel that study is rubbish, you can use ceramic coils. If you feel there maybe risk in future then you can stop using it.
Last but not the least my purpose of this thread is not to create any issues. I love and want to support the vaping community. I am trying to spread awareness locally about it but I don't support everything blindly. I am not someone who says vaping is hundred percent safe. I always say its is safer option than smoking.
If someone doesn't smoke, I will never ever suggest him or her to vape. Will never give my vape to him or her to try.
I strongly feel we need our own governing body like FDA to do studies and regulate vaping products. Yes, I am from the minority who wants all vaping equipments and juices to pass a certain criteria before launching to masses. I am someone who will never ever make my own juice. I can build my own kit in future like RDAs etc but will never try to make my own juice. Instead I will trust a reputable company which does several tests before they offer us something which we inhale.
After doing my own research (which can be wrong) I decided to not go near ceramics until I see a solid evidence by some reputable body that it is safe to use. My understanding is that there are two possibilities if this study.
A) Ceramic coils are safe.
B) Ceramic coils may cause health issues.
Now I will decide if to keep using ceramic coils if I feel they are safe or I can stay away from them. Its just matter of personal choice. If someone wants to vape them he or she can do that gladly but if someone wants to stay away from them he or she can do so.
About the rip trippers, I see him always posting unbiased reviews. He bashed vaporesso skrr tank even when it is sent by Vaporesso to him for the review. I always see him mention good or bad about any products he reviews. But again he can be wrong but he can be right too.
My logic says that unless proven we can't say its safe or unsafe. But everyone is entitled to his or her opinion about it. If you feel that study is rubbish, you can use ceramic coils. If you feel there maybe risk in future then you can stop using it.
Last but not the least my purpose of this thread is not to create any issues. I love and want to support the vaping community. I am trying to spread awareness locally about it but I don't support everything blindly. I am not someone who says vaping is hundred percent safe. I always say its is safer option than smoking.
If someone doesn't smoke, I will never ever suggest him or her to vape. Will never give my vape to him or her to try.
I strongly feel we need our own governing body like FDA to do studies and regulate vaping products. Yes, I am from the minority who wants all vaping equipments and juices to pass a certain criteria before launching to masses. I am someone who will never ever make my own juice. I can build my own kit in future like RDAs etc but will never try to make my own juice. Instead I will trust a reputable company which does several tests before they offer us something which we inhale.
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