The Twists and Turns of the Never Ending E Cig Debate

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NiNi

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Just another installment of another study. Of course, it's all about "Gateway to Cigarettes" and "Save the Children" since the New York Times appears to be getting more pro-ecig comments to their articles and op-eds geared to "adult use"...............and this one seems to blow the antz theory of Middle School and High School students falling head long into nicotine addiction via e-cigs. Well, kinda?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/07/health/young-users-of-e-cigarettes-less-likely-to-quit-smoking-study-finds.html?emc=edit_th_20140307&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=58395070


"So far, the overwhelming majority of young people who use e-cigarettes also smoke real cigarettes, a large federal survey published last year found."

What?
:?:

“One of the arguments that people make for e-cigarettes is that they are a way to cut down on the smoking of cigarettes, but the actual use pattern is just the opposite,....”


.....but, ......but,...........
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The study did have a bright spot: Youths who used e-cigarettes were more likely to plan to quit smoking. "

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Just thought I'd pass on some more confusing info for those of us who don't check the News related forum here on ECF. Seems to me, sellers of e-cigs (basically cig-a-likes) should have a POP (Point of Purchase) survey but we KNOW ecigs aren't supposed to be sold to minors. And, then again, asking Youth to honestly answer a questionnaire is kind of a crap shoot.

I remember being asked to stay after Health class in H.S. when I asked the dubious question "what effect does elephant tranquilizers have on the human body" on the first day of health class. The sophomore Health teacher (ok, the PE teacher for the boys who took over for the previous Health teacher who dropped dead, lung cancer) had passed out a questionnaire on what we wanted to learn in health that semester..........


It WAS a joke, my question, of course.
:facepalm: How many repeats of the same old stuff can a teenager handle? This was just the 4th course of "parental signature required" health instruction I had to wade through since 7th grade. The same old slides of STD's and elephantiasis get pretty boring after the 2nd go around, and many of us had just come from Driver's Ed (and several had already lost their lunch watching classics like "Blood on the Asphalt).

Totally unrelated....or not. Here I'm going to add a personal observation: My son was diagnosed ADD when he was 4. Through diet and a structured environment (after a disastrous bout with Ritalin), he seemed to out grow it at puberty. After coming back from college 9 months ago, it started back up, and his remaining online courses where taking their toll. I suggested low nic vaping (he has never smoked) a month ago. He takes a few vapes during the day.............he's noticed a huge difference in his concentration level. I've noticed a huge difference. He's 26 years old. Could pre-18 year olds be self medicating with nic? Yet, another fly in the ointment.

I just wish these studies could be "conclusive", not just another bunch of statistics and opposing view points from the "Waffle" house.....maple syrup, anyone?
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I think you have to be very careful when considering the conclusions of the UCSF. Look where the chancellor of the medical school has her money:

UCSF head has millions in medical, drug stocks - SFGate

So she did have tobacco stock, I think this says a lot about this doctor's morals and integrity, and now she has pharma stocks; I'm assuming her morals and integrity remain the same.
 

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Totally unrelated....or not. Here I'm going to add a personal observation: My son was diagnosed ADD when he was 4. Through diet and a structured environment (after a disastrous bout with Ritalin), he seemed to out grow it at puberty. After coming back from college 9 months ago, it started back up, and his remaining online courses where taking their toll. I suggested low nic vaping (he has never smoked) a month ago. He takes a few vapes during the day.............he's noticed a huge difference in his concentration level. I've noticed a huge difference. He's 26 years old. Could pre-18 year olds be self medicating with nic? Yet, another fly in the ointment.

Nini,

I think most hard-core cigarette smokers are self-medicating. Both nicotine and the MAOIs (and most likely other substances in cigarettes) do have a very strong effect on concentration, depression, and other imbalances.

I did want to suggest you look into a vitamin supplement called "Attentive child". My sister has 2 boys (one not much younger than your son) who have benefitted greatly from this, and she and her (much older senior-citizen) husband both take it daily as well. You can look it up and decide if it's something your son might benefit from.

However I am not at all surprised that vaping nicotine has helped your son. Perhaps vaping will provide a platform for a more honest and scientific appraisal of nicotine for it's legitimately beneficial purposes? (Sadly, probably not.....)
 

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I think you have to be very careful when considering the conclusions of the UCSF. Look where the chancellor of the medical school has her money:

UCSF head has millions in medical, drug stocks - SFGate

So she did have tobacco stock, I think this says a lot about this doctor's morals and integrity, and now she has pharma stocks; I'm assuming her morals and integrity remain the same.

Good find, FourWinds. She owns millions in pharma stocks, pharma companies are contributing millions in research grants to UCSF, and she finds absolutely no conflict of interest or breach of ethical standards... It also helps to explain why Slantzz and Co. have found such a comfortable home there. (Altho the article is dated 2010, one can assume the same standard of ethics (or lack thereof) applies today...)
 

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Good find, FourWinds. She owns millions in pharma stocks, pharma companies are contributing millions in research grants to UCSF, and she finds absolutely no conflict of interest or breach of ethical standards... It also helps to explain why Slantzz and Co. have found such a comfortable home there. (Altho the article is dated 2010, one can assume the same standard of ethics (or lack thereof) applies today...)

I did notice at the time that it was a little old, but I couldn't find any newer information; also, the fact that a doctor originally had tobacco stocks was an interesting point to me. It's a clear conflict of interests IMO, and I'd go further and say that I think it, at least, devalues any of this kind of 'research' that comes from UCSF.
 

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Just found this article: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2013/12/110801/ucsf-chancellor-susan-desmond-hellmann-step-down

So until the present, she has continued as chancellor. Apparently no replacement has been selected yet. What caught my eye was this, about Desmond-Hellman's background:

The chancellor came to UCSF from Genentech, where she was responsible for Genentech’s preclinical and clinical development, process research and development, business development and product portfolio management. During her time there, several of the company’s patient therapeutics were approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and the company became the nation’s No. 1 producer of cancer drug treatments.

Another piece of the BP jigsaw puzzle falls into place...
 
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