The vapor goes in, but doesn't come out... Coughing

[mzlynnem]

He is literally breathing smoke all day, and his system is so accustomed to it, anything else is irritating.

If he goes outside and walks briskly to the mailbox and back, I bet he coughs with the raw fresh air. I have a neighbor with similar lifestyle, smokes a lot in one room which she seldom leaves, and coughs whenever she isn't sitting on her couch.

He has to change it up. He should smoke even a few outside. I'm afraid he has other issues that really must be addressed. And by a professional. And yes, I'll say it. A psychologist and therapy. The boy needs some help, in my very humble opinion.

And I applaud you for trying to help your ex. And I really wish the both of you success.

You're right, he DOES cough more when he's not in his room... I never thought of that, the liquid just being an irritant because EVERYTHING's an irritant. Hmm... Well I have a few new flavors OTW from Johnsons Creek, lower nic than what I normally get and I've never ordered a premium juice like that. I'll let him try them on my new iTaste V3. Maybe if he finds a flavor he really likes, that could make all the difference. And yes, he does need psycho/spiritual help, badly. It makes me very sad, but I just don't see him ever going for it.

My concern was that the vapor may be worse for him than smoking, if it's not coming back out on exhale. And that the cough won't go away. Now that I've typed it, it sounds ridiculous tho. Unless he's allergic to something, I seriously doubt it could be worse than flaming tobacco. And I bet if cigarettes disappeared, he'd be vaping either til the cough stopped or in spite of it.

 

[mzlynnem]

Hi, I am not nearly the expert in vaping and equipment that the folks who have answered you are, but I am an RN. So, I first wanted to address the issue that someone brought up about nicotine being absorbed through the mouth and nasal passages, and I think this question was already asked but I did not see the OP's response. What occurs when the guy *only* takes a hit in his mouth/nose and blows it out immediately? There may be coughing but there darn well should be vapor coming out. If there isn't, he is not bringing the substance in properly, someone here left a great description of how to vape into the mouth, the straw thing.

Now, onto the lung absorbtion issue. Vaping into the lungs or into the mouth and then into the lungs (a much better idea). I have seen people with severe lung disease, who have essentially little to no gas exchange in their lungs (oxygen dependent obviously), and if you put them on a nebulizer, they still exhale the vapor...in fact as the lungs are damaged and become less able to absorb anything, the more substances come out unchanged, if that makes any sense.

Something is not adding up here, equipment, method, or user,I am not sure which one.

Thanks for the response. Yes, the vapor comes back out when he only takes it in to his mouth. Problem with that is he wants to be able to inhale- he won't do it if it's so different from a cigarette. I get what you're saying about the more substances come out unchanged when lungs are damaged. So there's no way there could be a "leak" or something? I am face-palming now for sounding so dumb, but this just doesn't make sense. And I swear, 6-8 months ago I found people discussing this exact issue online, but now anything ecig related is shoved so far back into Google by the commercial sites, I can't find it.

 

[FourWinds]

I coughed a bit during the first couple of weeks; I've seen all sorts of explanations as to why that is here on this forum. My belief is that the old analogue (tobacco) smoking made my throat sensitive, and that it couldn't deal with some aspect of the vapor until it had time to heal up. Anyway, as long as I made an effort to stay hydrated with a chug on the water every so often (I still do this as vaping can dehydrate) and was careful until it went away after a couple of weeks, I was fine.

If you can get him past this using all the suggestions here, he'll thank you in the end, because vaping really is nicer, and a lot cheaper than smoking; all the health benefits can be viewed as an extra perk, it's just better anyway.

 

[AttyPops]

Does it work for you but not him? (Try a fresh carto for you). That would tell you if it's due to his lungs or technique rather than the device. Or maybe they are old cartos. Sometimes there's little vapor to go around...it's not dense enough.

IDK. I'd get away from the pre-filled cartos and get some high-% VG juice. Like 75% VG. Flavor he'd like (maybe a tobacco flavor) and 24 mg nic. Maybe lower ohms too. (IDK about the V2's)

Of course, like mentioned above, you can change out devices too.

 

[GPC2012]

Have him take a big draw into his mouth and then open his mouth before inhaling. You will be able to see the vapor in his mouth if he has actually pulled some in. Not to be sneaky, but give him a dry empy ecig with the coil removed and have him draw on it. see if he coughs. Not to doubtfull, but that would prove wheather or not he's faking it.

 

[BigCatDaddy]

To the OP's EX: Seek professional help....NOW!! You have bigger problems than smoking. You are not only ruining your life but the life of one who evidently still cares for you. Your behavior is not normal and you need help to become a happy, productive member of society. Seek help now!!

To the OP: You evidently still care for this man and you need to get him some professional help. This is not an acceptable behavior for a grown man. Even if you have to drag him, kicking and screaming, out the door and to a professional that can help him, do it. I'm sorry if I come across rude or harsh, that is not my intent. I was extremely conflicted as I typed this, but I felt deeply sympathetic to his and your situation and felt oblidged to respond. The man needs help.

 

[PeppermintPatty]

Thanks for the response. Yes, the vapor comes back out when he only takes it in to his mouth. Problem with that is he wants to be able to inhale- he won't do it if it's so different from a cigarette. I get what you're saying about the more substances come out unchanged when lungs are damaged. So there's no way there could be a "leak" or something? I am face-palming now for sounding so dumb, but this just doesn't make sense. And I swear, 6-8 months ago I found people discussing this exact issue online, but now anything ecig related is shoved so far back into Google by the commercial sites, I can't find it.

A couple of things....no, the lungs do not "leak" (there are no dumb questions, BTW), unless there is an actual disruption in the pressure system that operates the lung, for instance a "collapsed lung" where the lung cavity fills with air or blood or fluid, due to trauma or severe disease, in which case, a chest tube is inserted to drain the offending substance and allow the lungs to reinflate. It is possible, I suppose, that if this gentleman had severe pleural effusions (collections of fluid around the lung) that not much would go in or come out, but if that were true, he would typically be in a great deal of distress and unable to maintain his own oxygen levels without supplemental O2.

This brings me to the other issue. The poster that said that he should seek help is the best answer out of everyone. I am well aware that you are probably feeling pretty helpless because seeking help may really not be something he wants to do right now, but I think it may be time to stage an intervention of sorts, and if you have already tried that, do it again...maybe, with different parameters or something....

For a 32 yo man to retreat to a room and basically smoke himself to death he obviously has severe emotional and now physical problems. You are "enabling" him to some degree here, I know you just want to help, but as the other poster said, this is outta your league. He is young enough that if he changed enviornments, his lungs could make significant repair IMO, all is not lost. His psychological state is much more concerning and limiting in all likelyhood than his physical state.

This guy needs help. Big time. Does he see a primary physician? Does he have healthcare through medicare/medicaid/health insurance? Is he taking antidepressants or psychotropic meds, and if so, who manages them? I think you guys need to reach out for help here and I am just trying to figure out what, if any, resources are already in place.

 

[DaveOno]

I can't agree enough with what PeppermintPatty has so eloquently stated.

Yes, the vapor comes back out when he only takes it in to his mouth. Problem with that is he wants to be able to inhale- he won't do it if it's so different from a cigarette.

Red flag. It needs to be different. He needs to be different. His current behavior has one unfortunate end. It is his choice.

And I don't think getting him vaping is enabling at all. There is that chance that the vape takes hold, and he realizes that he can survive the day without a marlboro.

When I realized it, it changed my whole outlook on everything. Such freedom and possibilities now exist!!

Again, I wish you and him all the hope and power to turn this all around!!!

(And I pray for a post in a coupla weeks with this inspired success story update!!)

 

[twgbonehead]

This brings me to the other issue. The poster that said that he should seek help is the best answer out of everyone. I am well aware that you are probably feeling pretty helpless because seeking help may really not be something he wants to do right now, but I think it may be time to stage an intervention of sorts, and if you have already tried that, do it again...maybe, with different parameters or something....

For a 32 yo man to retreat to a room and basically smoke himself to death he obviously has severe emotional and now physical problems. You are "enabling" him to some degree here, I know you just want to help, but as the other poster said, this is outta your league. He is young enough that if he changed enviornments, his lungs could make significant repair IMO, all is not lost. His psychological state is much more concerning and limiting in all likelyhood than his physical state.

This guy needs help. Big time. Does he see a primary physician? Does he have healthcare through medicare/medicaid/health insurance? Is he taking antidepressants or psychotropic meds, and if so, who manages them? I think you guys need to reach out for help here and I am just trying to figure out what, if any, resources are already in place.

I agree. Big time. Very well said, Patty!!!

 

[mzlynnem]

To the OP's EX: Seek professional help....NOW!! You have bigger problems than smoking. You are not only ruining your life but the life of one who evidently still cares for you. Your behavior is not normal and you need help to become a happy, productive member of society. Seek help now!!

To the OP: You evidently still care for this man and you need to get him some professional help. This is not an acceptable behavior for a grown man. Even if you have to drag him, kicking and screaming, out the door and to a professional that can help him, do it. I'm sorry if I come across rude or harsh, that is not my intent. I was extremely conflicted as I typed this, but I felt deeply sympathetic to his and your situation and felt oblidged to respond. The man needs help.

What a sweet man you are. I didn't take this as rude or harsh at all- in fact, I was touched by how thoughtful and empathetic your words were. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening. He doesn't have any friends, and lives with his parents who are EXTREME enablers. We met when I was 16 and married at 18. Divorced at 25. He never moved on, even though we didn't even speak to each other for three years following the divorce. We have a 12yr old son together, and that's why I started talking to him again a few yrs ago, so we could at least be civil for the sake of our son.

I realize this is way out of my league, but I'm the only one in his life who has the slightest chance of, well, manipulating him into getting help. He doesn't care enough about his own life to do it, and truly believe would've killed himself long ago if not for our son. I'm pretty sure it's not even appropriate for me to be involved in his life, as he has made it abundantly clear he wants to be in a relationship with me, and I don't want to be with him, even if he does change. The most important thing here is our kid. He's brilliant and been dreaming of MIT since he was 8, and I'm afraid he's going to end up caring for his dad instead. I think intervention would be great, but there's no one to attend. And I don't know how to even go about dragging him kicking and screaming to therapy... So if anyone here is a pray-er, I think that's the best shot we have and I'd really appreciate it.

Glad to be able to provide some deeply personal drama on here for those of you who are bored, lol. And apologies to those of you who hate it. I'm an open book, and it just comes out sometimes...

xoxo
M