The vapor image problem - "eCigarettes"

[mooreted]

Wow, that's cool. I could test juice myself.

The BE fiasco was scary and the sort of thing that adds fuel to the ANTZ's fire.

They may go easier on us if we can show that the industry can regulate itself.

 

[Uncle Willie]

They may go easier on us if we can show that the industry can regulate itself.

Well, we can always dream .. IMO, the industry with rare exception is exploiting the lack of regulation and simply going for the fast cash money grab .. a common scenario when things are in limbo as they are ..

As well, since advertising bans the use of the e-cig as a quiters tech, ECF provides a handy tool that savvy business folks milk to their advantage .. after all, many many members are more than happy to push the health benefits whenever the topic comes up ..

I found it telling that the Box Elder fiasco was not plastered on the ECF main page in large red letters .. after all, who better to spread the word .. ?? I guess someone figured the word did not need to be spread ..

 

[Thulium]

I found it telling that the Box Elder fiasco was not plastered on the ECF main page in large red letters .. after all, who better to spread the word .. ?? I guess someone figured the word did not need to be spread ..

Why would it be? Was any actual e-liquid effected? As far as I know, the only people effected by this were vendors and DIY'ers who use 10% nicotine solutions, but I have not heard any evidence that any actual e-liquids were released with higher than reported nicotine strengths. Box Elder clearly has some quality control issues, but they are clearly investigating this INTERNAL issue and have issued a recall.

I realize that one sample that may have contained more than twice the amount of 10% nicotine indicated by the label is VERY concerning for those effected, but I don't vape 10% nicotine and if I have any e-liquids that have more nicotine than I need I will simply stop vaping them when my body gets the amount of nicotine I crave or I'll dilute it with a bit of VG.

I see no reason whatsoever to panic and do more damage to the industry than any one distributor with poor quality control could ever do.

 

[Stubby]

Well, we can always dream .. IMO, the industry with rare exception is exploiting the lack of regulation and simply going for the fast cash money grab .. a common scenario when things are in limbo as they are ..

As well, since advertising bans the use of the e-cig as a quiters tech, ECF provides a handy tool that savvy business folks milk to their advantage .. after all, many many members are more than happy to push the health benefits whenever the topic comes up ..

At the moment trying the get the venders to regulate themselves is like trying to herd cats. They are not going to do it on their own. There needs to be a neutral party to set up reasonable standards. Hopefully with the BE fiasco there will be a push to make it happen.

My own pet peeve is the lack of standards for battery mods. The lack of safety measures taken by most of the manufactures is not a good thing. Having manual switches is bad enough, but having no back up shut off electronics is begging for trouble. Drilling a few holes in the battery casing is not even close to being good enough. The number of mods designed by professional electronic engineers are very few.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Why would it be? Was any actual e-liquid effected? As far as I know, the only people effected by this were vendors and DIY'ers who use 10% nicotine solutions, but I have not heard any evidence that any actual e-liquids were released with higher than reported nicotine strengths. Box Elder clearly has some quality control issues, but they are clearly investigating this INTERNAL issue and have issued a recall.

I realize that one sample that may have contained more than twice the amount of 10% nicotine indicated by the label is VERY concerning for those effected, but I don't vape 10% nicotine and if I have any e-liquids that have more nicotine than I need I will simply stop vaping them when my body gets the amount of nicotine I crave or I'll dilute it with a bit of VG.

I see no reason whatsoever to panic and do more damage to the industry than any one distributor with poor quality control could ever do.

This is exactly my point and thanks for helping make it .. it's sad how many on this Forum are ready to jump to the defense of whatever .. and that's exactly what you did, so please don't edit your post to make it appear otherwise ..

Where, exactly is your mythical line drawn then .. ?? When should ECF actually attempt to alert members of an issue .. ?? Is that not the intent of a Forum .. ??

 

[Uncle Willie]

At the moment trying the get the venders to regulate themselves is like trying to herd cats. They are not going to do it on their own. There needs to be a neutral party to set up reasonable standards. Hopefully with the BE fiasco there will be a push to make it happen.

My own pet peeve is the lack of standards for battery mods. The lack of safety measures taken by most of the manufactures is not a good thing. Having manual switches is bad enough, but having no back up shut off electronics is begging for trouble. Drilling a few holes in the battery casing is not even close to being good enough. The number of mods designed by professional electronic engineers are very few.

And another excellent point that I fully agree with ..

 

[Running Wolf]

One of my favs that the nicotine nazis throw out is that the flavors are designed to lure in kids. What about the malt liquor beverages that have fruity flavors? How about butter rum hard candy?

Fast food, candies, cereals, all that garbage leads to unhealthy life choices and obesity if abused. Maybe these zealots should be more concerned about the health and societal risks of being morbidly obese. But it is not politically correct to say or campaign against something like that. Please don't flame me. I am only drawing a comparison on a like health issue, not burning on over weight people.

We do need to take a stand against the folks who want to do away with vaping. Took me a while to ween myself off tobacco but have done it with vapering.

 

[kristin]

I found it telling that the Box Elder fiasco was not plastered on the ECF main page in large red letters .. after all, who better to spread the word .. ?? I guess someone figured the word did not need to be spread ..

Seriously? There were links just posted here to just FOUR of the threads discussing this and there are many more discussions in other threads not dedicated to the subject. Not to mention the numerous discussions on Facebook, other forums and the vaping shows. You imply ECF is attempting to hide it somehow. If that were the case, the threads would be closed and deleted and they are not. What would a main page announcement accomplish - who would get "the word" there? The only people who look at the main page are newbs and they would have no clue what any of it meant. This affected suppliers and DIYers and they all got the message loud and clear - THAT is what this forum is for - not for unnecessarily freaking out newbs who weren't even affected by it. Why insinuate a conspiracy when there is none?

 

[Thulium]

This is exactly my point and thanks for helping make it .. it's sad how many on this Forum are ready to jump to the defense of whatever .. and that's exactly what you did, so please don't edit your post to make it appear otherwise ..

How is calling out Box Elder for their lack of QC and acknowledging that they have issued a pre-emptive recall "jumping to the[ir] defense"?? It is an all too common practice in other industries to wait until the number of people killed or seriously injured is greater than the costs before they will issue a recall, yet Box Elder has issued a recall within a week of the findings and without even a single report of anyone being harmed in any way.

Where, exactly is your mythical line drawn then .. ?? When should ECF actually attempt to alert members of an issue .. ?? Is that not the intent of a Forum .. ??

ECF is not the Better Business Bureau and has no obligation whatsoever to inform the members about internal quality control issues of companies like Box Elder that are not even allowed to advertise on this site as they are a Business-to-Business distributor.

I would hope that the moderators of ECF will CONTINUE to allow discussions such as this about peripheral issues even though they do not have to and would be well within their rights to actually CLOSE any threads dealing with products that this site does not condone or promo. Based on past experience, I would expect ECF to issue a public message in any case that actually effects users of e-cigarettes. If you want a "mythical line", I think it would be reasonable to draw it at some point AFTER there is evidence of actual harm...but as demonstrated in this case, ECF has gone above and beyond in drawing attention to this issue...so much, in fact, that YOU are aware of it even though it has nothing to do with e-cigarette use.

 

[cookiebun]

Well, we can always dream .. IMO, the industry with rare exception is exploiting the lack of regulation and simply going for the fast cash money grab .. a common scenario when things are in limbo as they are ..

As well, since advertising bans the use of the e-cig as a quiters tech, ECF provides a handy tool that savvy business folks milk to their advantage .. after all, many many members are more than happy to push the health benefits whenever the topic comes up ..

I found it telling that the Box Elder fiasco was not plastered on the ECF main page in large red letters .. after all, who better to spread the word .. ?? I guess someone figured the word did not need to be spread ..

There were only 2 liquid vendors effected by the BE mess: Gourmet Vapor and HoneyVille. Gourmet Vapor's forum was suspended. Hardly necessary to plaster this info all over the forum front page. DIY crowd has been on top of the Box Elder mess, no need to drag the entire forum into it.

 

[MattZuke]

There were only 2 liquid vendors effected by the BE mess: Gourmet Vapor and HoneyVille. Gourmet Vapor's forum was suspended. Hardly necessary to plaster this info all over the forum front page. DIY crowd has been on top of the Box Elder mess, no need to drag the entire forum into it.

Really Gourmet Vapor's forum was suspended?

Their current claim is using nicotine from myfreedomsmokes.com

 

[cookiebun]

Really Gourmet Vapor's forum was suspended?

Their current claim is using nicotine from myfreedomsmokes.com

My freedomsmokes nicotine tested out ok.