The Vmod XL 18650 Bottom Feeding Mod from Vapage.com

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NEWS FROM VAPAGE:

smilee: HI, when you can expect shipment xl v-mod?

Customer Service: Hello Smilee. We expect production to be completed on the VMOD XLs aroudn the first of February.

Customer Service: We may receive a shipment earlier to fullfill back orders, but I do not have confirmation at this time.

smilee: ;( I am dead with longing

smilee: I keep my fingers crossed that succeeded as soon as possible, because before I xl still a long way to Poland

Customer Service: We apologize for the wait; there is a note on the VMOD XL page stating that they are on back order. WE will be shipping as soon as we have them from production!
 

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Ok.... try this!!!!

Have been sitting here experimenting with all sorts of cartos and attys.... When I thought of de-bridging one of my cheap 1.7ohm 306 attys.....WOW!!!!! Alot of vapor, lots of taste a litle bit of an airy draw....but its actualy quite good, in fact the best that I have tried on the XL.

Ps. I have metered it, and it shows 2 ohms.... Hmmmm funny, maybe its because its a cheap atty.
 
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I've been talking about this for a long time, and they get very angry with me here, that I'm bad-rapping Vapage. But it's the truth, and people shouldn't be breathing bad fumes. It's a Chinese QA problem, not reflecting on Vapage's designs, or the Vmods themselves. Though I've gotten 2 superb atomizers of the Uni non BF type, many of their cartos and atties I got were defective. On the atty it takes the form of loose coils, so sections of the wire glow visibly orange for lack of cooling by the juice, and that decomposes juice. The more VG in your juice, the more Acrolein is produced, and the nastier the burned taste. On the carto it's harder to see. You have to look down the air-tube with a magnifying glass. On a good carto the coil is centered and tightly wrapped around the glass-fiber wick. The wick is stretched across the air-tube, so you can't ever burn anything, like in an Echo. On a bad carto the coil is offset and goes off into the wadding blanket that surrounds the air-tube, and/or there are loose coils again. You get a bad taste from either defect, though the two tastes are different ;-) I have never had good luck with the silos. See below. The atty is incinerating juice as it reaches the orange wire. On the carto you can't even see the coil, it's way off in the wadding, and part of the wire you do see is also loose.

I think it's an industry-wide problem and explains a lot of the variation, and people changing brands. I think people should just return parts that don't work. I'm sure Vapage will exchange them, they don't want you inhaling crap, and they have a good customer service record. For people that are far away, like Smilee, it's great the XL works with just about any carto or atty.

I was told on Vapage's live chat that cartos are not warrantied, so I didn't even ask about getting replacements or refunds. Maybe I will drop them a line. After being pretty stoked about the Vmod, it was a huge bummer that the first pack of cartos had two bum units. Gives a bad impression when I had a very good impression prior.
 

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Three noob questions: why are the Vapage atomizers priced so much higher than the cartos? And what exactly is the difference between the two? Lastly, is there anything I need to do different usage-wise if I pop on the atty vs. the carto? I've been using the silo carts and ordered more, as I actually forgot they sent an atty with the unit originally.
 

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I just got my VMOD XL on Saturday (thanks Ukeman!) and within 36 hours, I lost the "inner" O-Ring that tends to stick to the Atty/Carto. I was pretty bummed when I got my e-mail from vapage saying that they won't have replacements until February. So I took it upon myself to come up with a temporary fix. After 3 trips to Home Depot and Lowes, I finally found a temporary fix by buying a 10mm (ID) x 13mm (OD) x 1.5mm Wall O-ring that I got from Lowe's plumbing department. It didn't fit perfectly, so I had to cut it down to size. So far, no leaks when blowing back juice into the cup after flooding my atty. I estimate the actual is somewhere closer to 7mm (ID) x 10mm (OD) x 1.5mm, but couldn't find one anywhere local. Anyways, for those interested, the one I bought is made by BrassCraft and is model #SC0535 which I cut down in small increments by trial and error to get the right fit.

EDIT: Check AG's picture on page #111 for proper fitting/seating of the O-ring as it easily slips past where it's supposed to go and blocks juice from being fed if it's down too far.
 

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Atty's are always priced quite a bit higher than cartos.

I believe it is because carto's were made to be disposable -- come pre-filled -- use it up and toss it. Smart vapers learned to refill a couple times....and use with feeders. Now most prefer to buy empty carto's and fill them with their favorite juices.

Atty's are made to last quite a bit longer and usually do.

While a carto may last a few days up to a couple of weeks for some, an atty should last a couple of weeks up to a couple of months of regular use. All equipment does wear out eventually.

The Silo is a bit different than other carto's I've used. It was made to use with a feeder and I've had some far outlast other carto's with the vape being quite similar to an atty.

The biggest difference in use is one has to feed the atty more frequently as it doesn't have that wadding to store some juice.

The vape is a bit different, too. Many say dripping an atty is the best for flavor. I find carto's to be a tad milder and a tad cooler, despite the resistance.

I use both atty's and cartos -- on all my gear.
 

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@cartoonDude, Vapage knows about the issue and even showed the video magnifier they got to help with QA. I wouldn't be too put off, they're just as frustrated about it as anyone. I've gotten defective atties and cartos from every company, they're probably all handmade. I believe Joye and Boge do better than most, they likely just toss more in QA. I started out with great Echos, and then got nothing but bad ones. After a string of dogs, the Vapage UNI Hybrid that came with my first XL is the absolute best atomizer i've ever encountered. What bums me is people who put up with burnt juice and inhale it, accepting it as normal. Look up Acrolein. A good atty just tastes metallic when dry (short of dry-burn). With all the progress with batteries and feeders, the "cooker" is still the weak link in e-cigs, definitely in need of revamp.
 
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What took you so long to try debridging the 306, I had mine a day and yanked em out, FABULOUS!:D

Ok.... try this!!!!

Have been sitting here experimenting with all sorts of cartos and attys.... When I thought of de-bridging one of my cheap 1.7ohm 306 attys.....WOW!!!!! Alot of vapor, lots of taste a litle bit of an airy draw....but its actualy quite good, in fact the best that I have tried on the XL.

Ps. I have metered it, and it shows 2 ohms.... Hmmmm funny, maybe its because its a cheap atty.
 

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Atty's are always priced quite a bit higher than cartos.

I believe it is because carto's were made to be disposable -- come pre-filled -- use it up and toss it. Smart vapers learned to refill a couple times....and use with feeders. Now most prefer to buy empty carto's and fill them with their favorite juices.

Atty's are made to last quite a bit longer and usually do.

While a carto may last a few days up to a couple of weeks for some, an atty should last a couple of weeks up to a couple of months of regular use. All equipment does wear out eventually.

The Silo is a bit different than other carto's I've used. It was made to use with a feeder and I've had some far outlast other carto's with the vape being quite similar to an atty.

The biggest difference in use is one has to feed the atty more frequently as it doesn't have that wadding to store some juice.

The vape is a bit different, too. Many say dripping an atty is the best for flavor. I find carto's to be a tad milder and a tad cooler, despite the resistance.

I use both atty's and cartos -- on all my gear.

I can't imagine a more perfect answer. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. I was mistaken about cartos lasting a week or two — it's the attys. I am definitely going to pop on the Vmod atty once this carto is spent so I can learn more about the differences.

Thanks again!
 

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The only thing I know off the top of my head is that dual coil atomizers won't feed properly. There is a list back in the 141 pages somewhere that someone was kind enough to compile, and that was the only thing that absolutely would not work.

Cool. thanks for the heads up Weasel:)
 

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Ps. I have metered it, and it shows 2 ohms.... Hmmmm funny, maybe its because its a cheap atty.

That's just about within tolerance. They all change resistance over time, hard to predict but they seem to go up in resistance, so you wonder why it's not hitting well, and you're just delivering less amperage, hence less power, because of the resistance change. But then again the battery isn't sagging as much, and the structure changes, so it's uncertain. I have one puzzling old Joye atty that has stayed steady at 2.1 ohms, looks OK, and hardly makes any vapor now.

@CartoonDude, you don't really have to wait, you can set the part aside and come back to it later. I get this "atomizer fatigue" where a specific device tastes best, or I taste it best, after a swap and some time to rest. Soaking the atties with juice (or just a dropperfull of glycerin) seems to sort of clean them, they suddenly taste pure again; a good atty can go through a lot of swaps and last for many weeks until some tewibbl accident or user error wrecks it. Cleaning them with alcohol is more hassle and sometimes majorly changes them ... for the worse. Vertical coil cartos usually just get a progressively harder draw until they're no fun.
 
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VMODians, you are all cordially invited to attend a party tomorrow afternoon (PST) to celebrate with me. I'm turning VET tomorrow!!! It all happens at 4:25pm, but feel free to drop by earlier if you like/can. Wear a funny T-shirt or hat and we'll party together!
 

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VMODians, you are all cordially invited to attend a party tomorrow afternoon (PST) to celebrate with me. I'm turning VET tomorrow!!! It all happens at 4:25pm, but feel free to drop by earlier if you like/can. Wear a funny T-shirt or hat and we'll party together!

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