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[Fernand]

OK, Scotay, bear with me. Let's see if we can agree on some things. I've just tried this again, on a half a dozen brand new Boges. Plug the center post. Use watever that fully blocks just the air inlet. A pointy toothpick has no effect on anything lower down. Make sure the plug is airtight, just moisten and push the toothpick in so it's seated. Or use some modeling clay, or whatever. Then blow or suck on the carto body. Are you able to blow/suck?

 

[tierrataz]

Evening Vmodians! I see the mod squad is busy

Me, I have surprised myself by running a silo for almost a week. Self admitted atty fan, this carto is certainly growing on me. As close to a IKV fusion for lack of "filler taste" and the flavor seems to be pretty darned good. Does carto filler have a break in period? Seems to me it does. Hum.....

 

[Scotay87]

OK, Scotay, bear with me. Let's see if we can agree on some things. I've just tried this again, on a half a dozen brand new Boges. Plug the center post. Use watever that fully blocks just the air inlet. A pointy toothpick has no effect on anything lower down. Make sure the plug is airtight, just moisten and push the toothpick in so it's seated. Then blow or suck on the carto body. Are you able to blow/suck?

I tried your method... It does block the airflow completely... But... By doing this you are creating another issue... Whether it is a conical tipped toothpick or other tool. When putting pressure on the center pin you are either shoving the center pin up far enough to block the central hole in the base of the carto or causing the insulator to expand covering the pin holes on the inside of the chamber...

 

[Scotay87]

Evening Vmodians! I see the mod squad is busy

Me, I have surprised myself by running a silo for almost a week. Self admitted atty fan, this carto is certainly growing on me. As close to a IKV fusion for lack of "filler taste" and the flavor seems to be pretty darned good. Does carto filler have a break in period? Seems to me it does. Hum.....

I have meaning to post a comment very similar T-Taz.... I am an atty fan... A month or 2 ago I ran out of atties (I have a problem, I do not deny, I am an atty killer that or its my thick juice)... I had to relent and use silos I had for emergencies until my atty order came in the mail... I found at first the silos were muted in flavor and had almost the dratty taste (dratty= dry atty)... After a break in period of like a half day or more the silos started to taste near as well as an atty... Might be just me but I think they have a break in much like an atty does...

 

[Scotay87]

OK, Scotay, bear with me. Let's see if we can agree on some things. I've just tried this again, on a half a dozen brand new Boges. Plug the center post. Use watever that fully blocks just the air inlet. A pointy toothpick has no effect on anything lower down. Make sure the plug is airtight, just moisten and push the toothpick in so it's seated. Or use some modeling clay, or whatever. Then blow or suck on the carto body. Are you able to blow/suck?

Just occurred to me that by shoving/forcing a toothpick into the center post you would be effectively creating the same scenario as a a high center post in a 510 connection forcing the center pin up on a carto/atty when screwed in to far cutting off air flow resulting in an extremely tight draw...

 

[Scotay87]

OK, Scotay, bear with me. Let's see if we can agree on some things. I've just tried this again, on a half a dozen brand new Boges. Plug the center post. Use watever that fully blocks just the air inlet. A pointy toothpick has no effect on anything lower down. Make sure the plug is airtight, just moisten and push the toothpick in so it's seated. Or use some modeling clay, or whatever. Then blow or suck on the carto body. Are you able to blow/suck?

I forgot to mention I will only agree that we get a marginal amount of air from the center hole in the center post... If any... If the the center hole is where I/we get air-flow from explain or prove to me how I get any draw from my sealed center post dripping atties...

 

[Fernand]

I tried your method... It does block the airflow completely... But... By doing this you are creating another issue... Whether it is a conical tipped toothpick or other tool. When putting pressure on the center pin you are either shoving the center pin up far enough to block the central hole in the base of the carto or causing the insulator to expand covering the pin holes on the inside of the chamber...

The pinholes are not occluded, since we can still slip a piece of paper between the wall and the center pin and see the paper through the hole. I had run another try with modeling clay. Just plugging the orifice, no pressure on anything. Same result. I had one old carto where the construction was different and you could blow a little air through the barrel if the pin was plugged. There was a passage in that one case. I haven't broken that carto down, it's a precious antique from my first shipment ;-)

Each atty type is a little different. What attys do you have with a plugged center post? I'm down to Joyes at this point, having trashed the others. These do have have a little airflow out the pinholes. Other don't. Maybe it's Joye that builds them that way, on that one carto it was a Joye too, I'm pretty sure. The new cartos I tried were sealed like the Boge: Kangar, CE2, Generic.

 

[Scotay87]

The pinholes are not occluded, since we can still slip a piece of paper between the wall and the center pin and see the paper through the hole. I had run another try with modeling clay. Just plugging the orifice, no pressure on anything. Same result. I had one old carto where the construction was different and you could blow a little air through the barrel if the pin was plugged. There was a passage in that one case. I haven't broken that carto down, it's a precious antique from my first shipment ;-)

Each atty type is a little different. What attys do you have with a plugged center post?

HH357, SmartVapes dripping atty, Liquid Express LX atty, The first Vapage hybrids that were sold through COV.... The only ones that have not gone into the circular file would be the Smart Vapes ones....

Your piece of paper slipped in-between the center pin and threads does not prove or disprove how far the center pin extends into the central hole of the atty/carto is that leads to the coils...

 

[Tat_skull]

I Neeeeeed Silo's!!! AAAGGGGHHHH!!!!!!

 

[Fernand]

To me it looks unequivocally like this: the cartos, with the pinhole connecting to the connector-side cup, have no connection to the inside. More specifically, any device where the center pin has a "moat" around it, and the pinhole connects to the "moat". Ones with solid plastic up to the top of the pin, have potential to have a passage under there. The blow-a-plugged-center-post-device test shows which ones have passage and how much. Some attys do, some don't. I think that's a pretty accurate summary of all the testing we've done LOL.

 

[Scotay87]

To me it looks unequivocally like this: the cartos, with the pinhole connecting to the connector-side cup, have no connection to the inside. More specifically, any device where the center pin has a "moat" around it, and the pinhole connects to the "moat". Ones with solid plastic up to the top of the pin, have potential to have a passage under there. The blow-a-plugged-center-post-device test shows which ones have passage and how much. Some attys do, some don't. I think that's a pretty accurate summary of all the testing we've done LOL.

Dancing around the subject... Again...... You take "any" 510 threaded carto/atty and screw it into a PV and suck on it where the hell do you get air flow from? Maybe 10% have an unsealed connector and you might get some air flow through the center pin hole.... The other 90% you get your air flow through the pin holes on the sides of the threads on the atty/carto.... I can't believe you are so daft not to understand this... If you can fathom the possibility that we get air-flow to vape through these tiny little holes on the sides of the threads is it that much of a stretch that juice could flow in the same way.... Or are you just being a horses rear because you feel like it...

 

[Fernand]

"Any" 510? it gets air through the wide central air channel that leads directly to the coils. Stands to reason, no? Where the pinholes open into the connector-side cup, as in the cartos I showed you photos of, you indeed get air or juice into the carto from the pinholes, but it travels up the central air shaft in the positive pin. That's also how juice pours out of the pinholes if you overfill a carto. The bottom of an eGo female does not block the central shaft. If it did, you'd have the same result as with the toothpick: nada. That's one of the big reasons for the "screwdriver slot": air flow. That's why putting your finger over the end does not block anything. On attys it's more variable. If we sat down together with some parts, I'm pretty confident we could figure out how we're miscommunicating. But I think "daft" and "dancing around" is enough. Let's just drop it.

 

[proax9]

OK, I've had just about enough.

This thread has been Hijacked- AGAIN.
If it works for you- use it: if it doesn't- don't use it. Stop trying to convince everyone 'your way is right'.

I may be out of line here but:
Take this to PMs or personal e-mails, this is not helping anyone.

 

[erawk]

I personally don't see this conversation being a thread jack. I understand a lot of you are vapage fanboys or girls. But debating how things work and discussing how to improve them is specificlly why I read on ECF. There's always room for improvement. I learn a lot more from this than from someone coming on here just to post that they recieved their vmod and they love it. I'm sorry but I don't learn anything or get any new ideas from that.

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[Jdsgibson]

I personally don't see this conversation being a thread jack. I understand a lot of you are vapage fanboys or girls. But debating how things work and discussing how to improve them is specificlly why I read on ECF. There's always room for improvement. I learn a lot more from this than from someone coming on here just to post that they recieved their vmod and they love it. I'm sorry but I don't learn anything or get any new ideas from that.

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I agree, but the attitude is not needed. I'm one of the biggest smarta$$es around but I'm not going to come on a public forum and basically call someone an idiot because I don't agree with what they are saying. Discussion is great and needed but arguing just for the sake of being an ... is not.

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[AlmightyGod]

I spoke with Brian about this debate, & apparently there is an old style & a new style of carto. The old style is rather obscure & was originally designed for auto batts. The new style (used by Joye, Boge, ST, Kanger, etc) has been around for over a year & uses the pinhole for air & can feed liquid. It's possible you could run into the old type if you are buying off-brand cheap cartos. Virtually all name-brand attys are the new style & can be fed through the pin hole.

 

[jazzguy]

Guess that explains why mine worked as it did, thank you AG. Now I guess I have an option for my out of town trip, although not a great one. I guess I'll just use some boges and feed through the pin holes till I get back, because there is still no sign of silos on the vapage site (plus, I leave on Sunday and I'm not sure they would even overnight them if they had them).

ugh. The boges work, but I sure don't like them. They don't taste as good and they don't last nearly as long for me. Could be because of the juices I use, but I like what I like.

 

[Scotay87]

Sorry folks... Had a few cocktails... If i got out line or offended some, my apologies...Kind got like a dog that won't give up that bone... Thanks AG... Was not aware there were 2 types of cartos....

 

[vikki59]

Sorry folks... Had a few cocktails... If i got out line or offended some, my apologies...Kind got like a dog that won't give up that bone... Thanks AG... Was not aware there were 2 types of cartos....

OMG, Your human , nope you didn't offend me. I can understand the frustration. So what kind of cocktails ??

 

[Katdarling]

No worries, Scotay.