The way to list a product

[TropicalBob]

Came across this listing this afternoon and I think the wording is exactly as it must be for e-smoking. The absurd claims being made on some Web sites will be met before long with "cease and desist" orders along with a hefty fine in America. Do not claim what you cannot prove, suppliers.

The listing:

Ruyan America Electronic Cigarette Alternative, Electronic Cigar Alternative and Electronic Pipe Alternative. These are sophisticated electronic devices that atomize purified, liquid nicotine and produce a vapor that is inhaled as if it were smoke, satisfying a user's need and/or urge for nicotine. No Second Hand Smoke! (Ruyan America products are NOT smoking cessation devices. These devices are intended for use only by persons age 21 or older, who are current tobacco users. Ruyan America Devices are Alternatives for Smokers. These devices are NOT intended to, or sold to, assist you in quitting smoking)

No more need be said. Anything else is a lie.

 

[tribalmasters]

The lady who I successfully sold and ecig to is a bit like that with them. Because she read the chinese manual she thinks they are a quit smoking device and cannot be used to replace the feelings of needing a amoke or enjoying the bits that were good about smoking. I told her to ignore the manual and to look at these forums, she is one of those that would believe what that listing said

 

[trog100]

this isnt a lie its simply a legal ploy.. its to make sure the ruyan device dosnt get hit by the medial professonal..

a smoking cessation device.. something to wean a user of their addiction.. in short it mustnt be addictive in itself..

used in the right way an e cig would make a good smoking cessation device.. used in the wrong way it simply replaces one addiction with another addiction..

a true smoking cessation device cannot replace one addiction with another..

its more about legalities than anything else..

trog

ps.. i am using one to quit smoking.. am i missing something here.. are ruyan really saying for occasional use.. not all day and very day use.. to be used by a smoker where they cannot smoke their real cigs..

 

[dc2k08]

is anyone aware of the reasons why they would quote an age restriction of over 21. as even in america i thought the age for purchasing tobacco products was 18. perhaps it is 21 in some states? are they just watching their backs?

 

[trog100]

"These devices are NOT intended to, or sold to, assist you in quitting smoking"

so what do these words really mean.. a smoker who keeps smoking and simply uses the ruyan device to smoke in the restaurant.. or in other words odd occasional user.. not the likes of me who really does wish to use the things all day and every day to quit smoking..

i am useing an e device to quit smoking.. thow i dont really think they are suitable for this purpose.. so is it a medical thing or is it simply as bob says the truth.. an e cig isnt suitable as a full time quit smoking device.. mainly cos it was never designed to be used all day and every day..

quit smoking does mean quit nicotine.. ruyan are saying their device is not for the purpose of quiting nicotine simply a way of getting it where the real smoker cant smoke for real.. a device to augment smoking not stop it..

this makes sense.. and explains why the bloody things wear out so quick when used all day and every day..

trog

 

[bishybob]

is anyone aware of the reasons why they would quote an age restriction of over 21. as even in america i thought the age for purchasing tobacco products was 18. perhaps it is 21 in some states? are they just watching their backs?

Yeah sounds to me like they're just trying to be careful. I've never heard of a 21 year old smoking age anywhere.

 

[Nazareth]

I don't htink there's any reason to state that they are not smoking cessation devices, as soem certainly are able to cease smoking with htem- Patches and gum etc are listed as smoking cessation aids, & they are less succesful I think than Esmoking- I think it just needs to be stated somehow that soem can cease smoking by using hte product while others can't, you're milage may vary.

 

[leaford]

Trog, they aren't saying anything at all about how often or under what situations they are to be used. It's a legal and medical thing. They are saying these aren't sold as nicotine replacement therapy, or stop smoking aids, or anything of that sort. That's all they're saying. If they say they are either of those, they have to prove it with data. So, by saying they AREN'T either of those they save themselves millions of dollars. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether you the consumer still smoke analog cigarettes or not, and they didn't say anything about that. You're reading too much into it.

 

[Nazareth]

Well that
's true, but there are over-the-counter 'cessation-aids' that haven't been medically tested too- but al lyou need then is an asteric* and state that the food and drug admin hasn't evaluated the product yet I beleive- not sure the whole legal implications, but generally that's how over-the-coutner products handle the situation

 

[bUrNSwHeNIp]

Isn't it obvious?

All they are trying to do is avoid legal issues with the big drug companies.

E-smoking directly effects and cuts into revenue generated by prescribed smoking cessation "drugs".

The over all, long term, effect of people switching to e-smoking will impact the big drug companies astronomically over the long term.

Money generated by treating the myriad of smoking related diseases and lung disorders caused by the use of tobacco products will, over time, inflict a major financial hit to the big drug companies.

The big drug companies know this, and they have the financial and legal clout to launch, "stop and desist" orders, along with legal actions that could not only stop, but completely shut down the marketing and or sale of these items on a world wide scale.

There is simply too much money involved here that can, and will be lost.

The AMA and the big drug companies have been in bed together for an awfully long time now. They all know that only a small decrease in the percentage of oncology and other respiratory ailments, translates into billions and billions world wide.

Come on guys, this isn't rocket science here,......we're ****ing with the big boys gravy train!

 

[kaesecake]

If they were just worried about legality, wouldn't saying "devices that atomize purified, liquid nicotine" be a bit misleading, considering, you're smoking more a bit more than just that.


Are there any studies out (or in the making) about using an e-cig as a cessation device?

 

[Oliver]

It's a bit misleading to talk about legalities.

What the suppliers of e-cigarette devices have to be very careful about is misleading consumers to think that they are purchasing devices which have been demonstrated to be effective in aiding the breaking of the nicotine addiction.

The "reasonable person" test applies here as it does anywhere else. What would a "reasonable person" believe was meant by a quit-smoking device or a smoking -cessation device? I'm sure that most people believe them to be devices that actually help break the addiction to nicotine.

From the experience of most users on this forum, the e-cigarette does not do this and is simply a smoking alternative. It has no advantage over smoking regular cigarettes as far as the breaking of the addiction is concerned.

In any case our anecdotal experiences are moot. What matters is clinical data - if the e-cig manufacturers want to claim that they are cessation devices they will have to demonstrate a similar degree of effectiveness to NRT in clinical trials.

Until that happens, the only way these things can be sold is by stating clearly and categorically that they are alternatives to smoking and not cessation devices. Any supplier not making this clear is in danger of being hauled up by trading standards in whatever country they are selling.

There is another factor too - the morality of the thing. Quite simply, many smokers are desperate people. Having lost autonomy over their addiction many years previously, they are caught in a hellish cycle of despair with a horrible death a serious prospect.

You really couldn't pick on a more vulnerable group of people to sell to with misleading claims.

That is why I (and other members, in particular TropicalBob) have taken very seriously the task of informing people what e-cigarettes actually are and who they are for.

See this thread as an example of an early discussion: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...important-notice-all-suppliers.html#post11544