The Womper Woom OR You Might Be A Modwomper

[Boden]

Yeah I know he is right. It will ramp up the heat faster so you hit your temp limit faster, I didn't say that was wrong and set it too high and it will chatter, correct. If you set your joules at 10 and temp at 420f there is no way you are going to hit temp when you are pulling...absolutely not. I am doing it right now. Even at 20 joules it is extremely under powered. Your juice will cool it off too fast for your coils to ever reach temp at 10 joules. If you hold the fire button for a few seconds without puffing then yes it will eventually hit a high enough temp to vaporize something. This is why auto joules is probably a good idea for some people BTW. Takes the guess work out of it. Cloupor mini plus has auto joules...that and the GT (only mods I know of that do).

While I am at it, not all chemical compounds have the same flashpoint and boiling point. That is why I said it "seems to be" that the flavor vaporizes at higher temps then the base liquids. Probably wrong in some cases because not all flavors are the same. But generally speaking I find that more flavoring is carried with your base liquid into the vapor state when you vaporize quicker. Could this be because my "perception" is different at that temperature? Yes, I agree there too, but that does not have a thing to do with the amount of flavor being carried in your vapor. I'll give you an example of why I think this could be the case. At work I sometimes use AK-225 (solvent) which is really good at absorbing NVR and also very expensive, and banned, so we can't purchase it anymore. Which is why we distill it. We distill it so we can leave behind the NVR (non-volatile residue) and particulates. After I am done distilling I measure the purity of the AK-225 after distillation. If I flash the solvent off too fast it will carry more NVR over through the distillation process. Apply this to PG / VG and the same SEEMS to hold true. At low power settings you get muted hits because your hitting the vaporizing temp of the base liquid first and leaving the flavoring behind. At high settings you get flavorful hits because you are rapidly reaching the ideal vaporizing point for base liquid and the flavoring absorbed in it will have a higher tendency to come with it. Too high and you hit the burnt wick limit, yes.


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It is quite common for people to think that the temp limit is the temp they want to Vape at. The temp limit is the temp you don't want to hit in normal use. It was designed as a safety feature to keep from overheating the eliquid or scorching a dry wick. Quite a few devices have implemented Temperature control (wick protection) incorrectly by letting the user only set cut off temp while the mod uses full power or a joules setting.

I find it amusing that almost everyone thinks temp limit is like the temp setting on an oven and try to Vape on the limiter then complained that it is juddering. TC is more like the RPM limiter on a engine.



In order to vaporize only the low temp molecules in eliquid you would need to be vaping at around 20mW/mm^2 very very slowly. At around 40mW/mm^2 the solution is evaporating as a whole. Above around 190mW/mm^2 you start to get decomposition and recombination into more dangerous compounds.

The flavor difference you perceive is closer to the difference between eating cold pizza and hot pizza.

All this is irrelevant to people with impared lung function like Andrea who can't Vape above 9W or below 80% PG.

 

[AndriaD]

All this is irrelevant to people with impared lung function like Andrea who can't Vape above 9W or below 80% PG.

Absolutely true. And I've spent a great deal of time and effort figuring out a way to vape that gives me great flavor without causing an asthma attack -- around 9w, low airflow, spaced coil around 1.5-1.7Ω, and 85% PG/high flavor concentration is the very best I can get; I really don't need to re-invent the entire wheel with TC, when regular kanthal and vw is working so well for me.

Although I'm working on the flavor concentration, since I'm aware that my tastebuds are at least heading in the right direction now that I don't smoke. As time goes by without smoking, I'll probably be able to lower the flavor percentages even further, especially as I gradually a) eliminate WTA and b) lower nicotine level.

Andria

 

[Lessifer]

Howdy wompers, been a bit busy lately. I may or may not go back and catch up on the 20 pages I missed...
What's new?

I've currently got in transit an LP REO Grand, with Derringer and RM2, a LowPro clone and Vector clone.

And now I'm unpacking, trying to settle into the new place.

 

[chopdoc]

It is quite common for people to think that the temp limit is the temp they want to Vape at. The temp limit is the temp you don't want to hit in normal use. It was designed as a safety feature to keep from overheating the eliquid or scorching a dry wick. Quite a few devices have implemented Temperature control (wick protection) incorrectly by letting the user only set cut off temp while the mod uses full power or a joules setting.

I find it amusing that almost everyone thinks temp limit is like the temp setting on an oven and try to Vape on the limiter then complained that it is juddering. TC is more like the RPM limiter on a engine.



In order to vaporize only the low temp molecules in eliquid you would need to be vaping at around 20mW/mm^2 very very slowly. At around 40mW/mm^2 the solution is evaporating as a whole. Above around 190mW/mm^2 you start to get decomposition and recombination into more dangerous compounds.

The flavor difference you perceive is closer to the difference between eating cold pizza and hot pizza.

All this is irrelevant to people with impared lung function like Andrea who can't Vape above 9W or below 80% PG.

Which is why TC vapes taste muted to me. For TC to be effective it must be set at a temp that wont burn the wick or a lower temp thats comfortable to the person vaping. The the wattage/joules needs to be set to maintain that temp instead of instantly ramping up to it then shutting off/on/off/on/off/on just to maintain the set temp. For cotton I think it was 420 F and rayon can go to 450 F (dont quote me on these, working from memory). I didnt realize until after trying TC that most of us, me especially like the vape warmer than that and the cooler vape seems lacking to us. I can take a STM and vape it at 450F TC at 30 watts and its just lacking but take another STM and vape it at a steady 25 watts and its what I like. Thats because the mod set at 25 watts isnt cutting back on the power to maintain a temp, instead it supplying a steady power and a steady warm vape that is actually hotter than 420F. Hence no muted flavored vape.

 

[chopdoc]

Howdy wompers, been a bit busy lately. I may or may not go back and catch up on the 20 pages I missed...
What's new?

I've currently got in transit an LP REO Grand, with Derringer and RM2, a LowPro clone and Vector clone.

And now I'm unpacking, trying to settle into the new place.

Hiya lessifer, be sure to show us pics of the new gear when ya get a chance.

You say your settling into a new place, you moved?

 

[Lessifer]

Hiya lessifer, be sure to show us pics of the new gear when ya get a chance.

You say your settling into a new place, you moved?

Yup, moved and sold my house so it was a few weeks of packing, cleaning, moving, more cleaning, and now slowly unpacking. Had to get out of the neighborhood we were in. Loving the new place but it's one less room so we're having to rearrange and pare down, while at the same time getting new stuff.

Will hopefully have new gear I can show off tomorrow, as long as I'm awake to sign when the mailman comes by in the morning

 

[Luke95]

How does 26 g work claptoned around 20g?

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[gone3uo6]

Which is why TC vapes taste muted to me. For TC to be effective it must be set at a temp that wont burn the wick or a lower temp thats comfortable to the person vaping. The the wattage/joules needs to be set to maintain that temp instead of instantly ramping up to it then shutting off/on/off/on/off/on just to maintain the set temp. For cotton I think it was 420 F and rayon can go to 450 F (dont quote me on these, working from memory). I didnt realize until after trying TC that most of us, me especially like the vape warmer than that and the cooler vape seems lacking to us. I can take a STM and vape it at 450F TC at 30 watts and its just lacking but take another STM and vape it at a steady 25 watts and its what I like. Thats because the mod set at 25 watts isnt cutting back on the power to maintain a temp, instead it supplying a steady power and a steady warm vape that is actually hotter than 420F. Hence no muted flavored vape.

Clearly you guys have it all sorted out.

 

[Boden]

How does 26 g work claptoned around 20g?

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Are you trying to create the slowest heating coil possible?

Try 28 wrapped in 34

 

[Lessifer]

My new lp REO grand with RM8(derringer)

 

[TrollDragon]

My new lp REO grand with RM8(derringer)
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Very Nice!

 

[DingerCPA]

@chopdoc, on your VF Squonker - do you find after you squonk that the atty needs to reset? Seems like I'm often fiddling with it reading the atty.

Oh, and see if yours is TC? Thanks to Master @Boden (Google-Fu Master Extraordinaire) I found that 5 clicks to lock, and then hold the two Up/Down buttons for about 2 seconds to get into TC mode. Set the temp from there.

I'm still playing a bit with that, but it's hitting quite nicely (and is quite the juice hog!)

 

[chopdoc]

@chopdoc, on your VF Squonker - do you find after you squonk that the atty needs to reset? Seems like I'm often fiddling with it reading the atty.

Oh, and see if yours is TC? Thanks to Master @Boden (Google-Fu Master Extraordinaire) I found that 5 clicks to lock, and then hold the two Up/Down buttons for about 2 seconds to get into TC mode. Set the temp from there.

I'm still playing a bit with that, but it's hitting quite nicely (and is quite the juice hog!)

After i use mine its stays the same. Occasionally after squonking I will have to clean the base of my atty for the dreaded "short". When mines been sitting for a while it will ask me if its the same atomizer or not.

Just checked and am surprised to see that yes, it is a temp controlled version. Was not expecting that! It said nothing about being TC when I bought it on GearBest.

 

[DingerCPA]

After i use mine its stays the same. Occasionally after squonking I will have to clean the base of my atty for the dreaded "short". When mines been sitting for a while it will ask me if its the same atomizer or not.

Just checked and am surprised to see that yes, it is a temp controlled version. Was not expecting that! It said nothing about being TC when I bought it on GearBest.

O.k. mine's running somewhat the same. Yay! You have TC! I'm running a 0.17 ohm Ni200 coil and really digging it . Thx for your response

 

[coolerat]

Holding a Squape Rs in my formerly nicotine stained fingers.

Won't have time to build it tonite but it looks great on the SX.

If it vapes as good as it look Boden gets a big old shout out.

 

[chopdoc]

O.k. mine's running somewhat the same. Yay! You have TC! I'm running a 0.17 ohm Ni200 coil and really digging it . Thx for your response

Im running a clapton coil at .6 ohms and its mmmm mmmm good! Sadly I am almost out of the Sweet Honey Dew juice I had mixed up for it

 

[Boden]

Wrap your head around this coil. Nice at 40W

 

[chopdoc]

Wrap your head around this coil. Nice at 40W
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Is that a nickel dual wrap?

 

[Boden]

Is that a nickel dual wrap?

You will soon find out.

 

[TrollDragon]

Nice... 80 wraps of parallel 32g Kanthal.