Subohming vs low wattage, got me thinking. What would you reccomend to a newbie?

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I started on ego style batteries with a Nautilus/Nautilus Mini and I liked it but kept smoking here and there. After awhile of doing that I read up on mechs and batteries and shortly after took the plunge. When I puffed on my first sub ohm build I really liked it and noticed I starting wanting cigarettes less and less.

Fast forward to now and my go to gear is Reo's and Odins with a .4-.6 dual tensioned micro coil build. And while it does produce some nice clouds it's not about that at all for me. Which is why 90% of the time I am vaping The Virus which is 65PG/35VG I like the throat hit and chest filling vapor I get from it.

Having said that I recommend start low and gradually work your way up to what satisfies you.
 

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I've smoked everything that could be smoked, including nicotiana rustica (for which I could not find proper english translation). For many years I smoked only unfiltered stuff. I've loved cuban cigarettes made from cigar tobacco. Strong stuff. My wife made me to switch to girly filtered cigarettes. Then, for the last 10 years I've been semiprofessional smoking quitter. Had a great success plenty of times. Each time I celebrated my victory with cigarillos (my preferred stuff while quitting smoking). Finally I've found vaping. Interestingly, despite my preferences for harsh tobacco, I am a happy vaper at 8-14 W with a 1.2-1.5 coil. Let me be not politically correct, but I feel sorry for subohmers. Their juice consumption make me shrug...

EDIT: you may substitute word "shrug" with any English word that may mean something like "I feel sorry for", "my condolences", etc. I am an alien, you know...
 

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Don't feel bad AT I can afford the juice I vape, so I can vape as much or as little as I like. And still have a nice house, car, and as many steak dinners as I choose. Then again I I can empathize with you I feel sorry for people who feel the uncontrollable urge to put down others on the internet every chance they get. :D
 

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I would tell them to try with a good regulated box and a sub ohm tank. The problem is they always say they don't want the crazy clouds and giant setup. The new vaper always wants a small ego type battery with a CE5 type atomizer. Mentally they want a cigarette that isn't a cigarette. Until they understand vaping they can't understand what they want. All they know is smoking and they know they want that.
 
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I started smoking due to a very weird and restrictive upbringing. I started smoking late, at 18, but ever since I can remember I always had an oral fixation due to the ridiculous amount of stress and anxiety I grew up from birth. I was the kid always chewing on a lollipop stick or destroying his fingers by biting his nails. I was actually diagnosed with stress and anxiety disorders, chronic depression and social phobia in my mid teens. I never got into smoking because I was taught that basically any substance other than food, water and liquor in moderation would land me in hell. Anyways, I finally decided to start smoking artisan cigarillos when I was with a friend who was buying some for himself. I asked him how to inhale and he said just straight lung hit, and that's how I smoked my entire life, straight and full lung hits. Smoking was a big distraction for me from all those issues I was having, and allowed me to feel a bit more normal and in control of myself, most likely a placebo effect since I mostly would go off and smoke at the beach where no one could see me and just think.

I quit smoking when I met my girlfriend at 21. Her mother had recently undergone chemotherapy for breast cancer and they had both quit smoking when they found out. I started smoking less and less the more I spent time with her and eventually they tasted too bad to want to pick one up. Still, all those anxieties were always there and I would still think of having a cigarette even though I never picked one up. I think my first e-cig was some crappy little ciggalike that was quite bad. Like described above, sucking through a straw for very little vapor and no satisfaction. I eventually quit that and some time after that picked up an ego twist and some clearos, which were better but I lost interest relatively quickly as I couldn't do my full lung inhales. It wasn't until I got an Atlantis and CF mod, along with a dripper that I started feeling some satisfaction. My mind would go from anxiety more towards vaping, and once I got a mech mod and finally my 150w mod and slowly went from 0 nic to 3 nic that I found full satisfaction.

I'm automatically a cloud chaser as I have big lungs and good lung capacity, but I feel like I always was. I loved watching the smoke rise when I smoked and blowing smoke rings, all things that gave me a distraction from my screwed up brain. I no longer thing of smoking anything other than those vanilla cigarillos that I started out with, as vaping is even better at giving me those things I liked from smoking.

Sorry for the long ramble. I've read many people asking questions about why people start vaping, and how some don't see why a smoker would need to sub-ohm cloud chase, and I couldn't think of any other way to respond here without all of that lol. I can talk quite a bit as you can see.

Oh, and as to the question on the title, I'm actually going through this right now. My friend still smokes and isn't satisfied by ecigs, likes the heat and yadda yadda, so I'm trying to give him a few things to look at that I feel will give him that satisfaction. So basically, I would ask a bunch of questions about their smoking habit; how much and how you smoke and what you like about it specifically and go from there.
Thank you for sharing your story. I think too many people here just assume everyone has the exact same reasons for smoking and quitting. Sometimes life is radically different for different people.
 

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Mentally they want a cigarette that isn't a cigarette. Until they understand vaping they can't understand what they want. All they know is smoking and they know they want that.

Repeated for effect. Learning that firsthand tends to be evolutionary for most people. My path quickly went cigalike>ego/clearo>VV box/clearo>mech/RDA. How boringly typical of me. :D
 

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Don't feel bad AT I can afford the juice I vape, so I can vape as much or as little as I like. And still have a nice house, car, and as many steak dinners as I choose.
Why are you thinking about money when you hear word "subohming"?
By the way, my thinking was not about money, but about health.

Then again I I can empathize with you I feel sorry for people who feel the uncontrollable urge to put down others on the internet every chance they get. :D

Not at all. Not at all every chance. Every other chance at most.
 
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I was a heavy smoker and I always hit them hard. My filters were always black when I was done. Right down til they burnt my fingers one after the other. 40 if I was working or 60+++ if in my shop. Kept this up for 36 years.

Started vaping on the normal low watt stuff. 10 second drags. Many dry hits. But I was pretty desperate. So I kept plugging away buying better equipment almost daily. Still smoking at this point but getting fewer the more money I spent.

If stuff of this class was all there was I would have said screw it.

But a mech. Found heaven. I'm actually whacking on my very first mech as I type this.

But I hated RDA's for outside the house. And I hated carrying batteries. So at this point my smoking journey has ended and my vaping journey has begun.

I have zero interest in big clouds but a good sized cloud is part of big flavor. And I love tanks. Today is my rebuild day, I build for several people, and I am surrounded by tanks and afew RDA's. All are in the .7 to lately the 1Ω range. Below that I don't care for much and above that the flavor suck and I hate wet sloppy vapes.

So when I recommend to people its based on things that matter to me.

Skip all that cheap crap. This gonna cost afew bucks so suck it up cupcake.

Skip mechs for now. Long term I highly recommend them but starting out digital is less fussy. Down at the vape shop I see the kids with mechs blowing huge clouds. They are having fun and mechs are cheap. On paper I'd also say these broke kids are gonna get get hurt but they never seem to. I guess the old saying has been updated to God loves little kids, alcoholics and broke vapers. But I deal with middle adged men mostly.

I don't like built in batteries but some do. But ask me and I say no less then one 18650 and two is better.

You can turn a powerful mod down but you can't turn a weak mod up. I'd call a 50w mod about good. Every bit of power you don't use turns into battery life. 30w is the lowest I would go. 100w with twin batteries seems big at first but its really not. I'm also running a tank through a Cherry Bomber. Carry that for a day and the IPV4 will feel like a feather.

I think, that for me, without 30-50w of power and a nice tank I would lose interest in vaping. Short term this would be no problem. Long term I think smoking again maybe a problem. So while I consider tottle puffing to be an excellent way to quit smoking its not my kind of vaping so it has no future with this ole boy.

As luck would have it we have choices and I don't have to say I'm sorry. I don't understand why people do things a certian way and think thats the way. I do things that work for me and see other people doing things there way and sometimes I just don't care and sometimes I wonder what they see that I don't. Sometimes there way becomes my way and sometimes I say not for me.
 

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I smoked 20 years- the last few stuff your own, full strength cigarettes and quit with a Halo Triton kit in 5 days. An easy to use system, good juice and desire to quit were most important to me.

I don't recommend anything on here anymore. Most just seem to go with high wattage re-buildables they are talked into and probably never quit smoking, if they even were smokers...
 

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I started smoking due to a very weird and restrictive upbringing. I started smoking late, at 18, but ever since I can remember I always had an oral fixation due to the ridiculous amount of stress and anxiety I grew up from birth. I was the kid always chewing on a lollipop stick or destroying his fingers by biting his nails. I was actually diagnosed with stress and anxiety disorders, chronic depression and social phobia in my mid teens. I never got into smoking because I was taught that basically any substance other than food, water and liquor in moderation would land me in hell. Anyways, I finally decided to start smoking artisan cigarillos when I was with a friend who was buying some for himself. I asked him how to inhale and he said just straight lung hit, and that's how I smoked my entire life, straight and full lung hits. Smoking was a big distraction for me from all those issues I was having, and allowed me to feel a bit more normal and in control of myself, most likely a placebo effect since I mostly would go off and smoke at the beach where no one could see me and just think.

I quit smoking when I met my girlfriend at 21. Her mother had recently undergone chemotherapy for breast cancer and they had both quit smoking when they found out. I started smoking less and less the more I spent time with her and eventually they tasted too bad to want to pick one up. Still, all those anxieties were always there and I would still think of having a cigarette even though I never picked one up. I think my first e-cig was some crappy little ciggalike that was quite bad. Like described above, sucking through a straw for very little vapor and no satisfaction. I eventually quit that and some time after that picked up an ego twist and some clearos, which were better but I lost interest relatively quickly as I couldn't do my full lung inhales. It wasn't until I got an Atlantis and CF mod, along with a dripper that I started feeling some satisfaction. My mind would go from anxiety more towards vaping, and once I got a mech mod and finally my 150w mod and slowly went from 0 nic to 3 nic that I found full satisfaction.

I'm automatically a cloud chaser as I have big lungs and good lung capacity, but I feel like I always was. I loved watching the smoke rise when I smoked and blowing smoke rings, all things that gave me a distraction from my screwed up brain. I no longer thing of smoking anything other than those vanilla cigarillos that I started out with, as vaping is even better at giving me those things I liked from smoking.

Sorry for the long ramble. I've read many people asking questions about why people start vaping, and how some don't see why a smoker would need to sub-ohm cloud chase, and I couldn't think of any other way to respond here without all of that lol. I can talk quite a bit as you can see.

Oh, and as to the question on the title, I'm actually going through this right now. My friend still smokes and isn't satisfied by ecigs, likes the heat and yadda yadda, so I'm trying to give him a few things to look at that I feel will give him that satisfaction. So basically, I would ask a bunch of questions about their smoking habit; how much and how you smoke and what you like about it specifically and go from there.

great read, thanks for sharing buddy.
 
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As I've said in the past...I started with a 650 ego with a CE5 Clearo. Too many issues, but a cheap way of starting. Went right into what I have today: iStick with a Nautilus Mini on top. My BIGGEST challenge was finding the right juice. A few dozen (60+) flavors and I'm now on a subscription of auto order with a vendor. I'm happy with what I have:2c:
 

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This is exactly what I have done, very gradually went from crappy evod 18 nic, to spinner 12 nic, to box and subohm 6 nic.

It's fascinating how different people are. I moved up the ladder slowly like you. Some people pick up a cigalike and a month later they are breaking the sound barrier. Some find their happy place quickly and others are still buying the latest exciting new kit years later. Some have one tank and a couple of batteries, other have rows of shiny mouth watering gear. Makes it hard to know what to advise a beginner though.
 

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It's fascinating how different people are. I moved up the ladder slowly like you. Some people pick up a cigalike and a month later they are breaking the sound barrier. Some find their happy place quickly and others are still buying the latest exciting new kit years later. Some have one tank and a couple of batteries, other have rows of shiny mouth watering gear. Makes it hard to know what to advise a beginner though.

yeah, I find people reccomend the medium range vv/vw devices more often than not, which sort of makes sense. MvP2 and istick 30W seem to be the two devices out right now that seem to cater the most to new vapers, it gives that low watt range with some medium range for people to experiment with if they feel the need to. As a topper, I've seen so many different type of things suggested, but I dont think any give the variability in 1 device that can cater to new vapers as a whole, the closest I can think of is perhaps the subtank mini which comes with the RDA section as well as accepts pre-made coils, but I think the air draw is too specific. I see alot of people using the nautilus mini as well out in 'real life', and seen it suggested the most.
 

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It's fascinating how different people are. I moved up the ladder slowly like you. Some people pick up a cigalike and a month later they are breaking the sound barrier. Some find their happy place quickly and others are still buying the latest exciting new kit years later. Some have one tank and a couple of batteries, other have rows of shiny mouth watering gear. Makes it hard to know what to advise a beginner though.
I know right?! Whatever I'm using is probably what I recommend. Although I'm not sure I'd recommend a subtank to a beginner, unless they tried mine. Most people, even vapers, hit my subtank and start coughing and think I'm crazy. But yeah a year ago I would've recommended and Evod starter kit, still probably would. They're dirt cheap, hold up fairly well, and give them an idea if vaping is on their future. But I don't want anything to do with those anymore lol.
 

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    I think it depends on the intent of the new user.

    Some want to just see what it's like. Others are determined to quit smoking, and then there are those that think it looks cool. So out of just three people there is the need for three completely different setups.

    I always said that this was the perfect rig for the person that has never vaped before.
    keyring01.jpg

    For about $10 a person actually got to see what vaping is like.
     

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    For about $10 a person actually got to see what vaping is like.

    LOL i remember that setup I actually used that. One of my favoring portable setups, I used to have two of those in my car along with a couple packs of boge cartos. Had the same type of charger too, and some car adaptor I think i used one of my old iphone plugs to charge it lol

    now if I could only get that thing to vape like an RDA and last more than 10 vapes :lol: back then the biggest problem I had was battery life of all those tiny cigalike style batteries
     

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    I've tried a lot of stuff myself over the past 15 months. I also seem to like a variety. I like single coil RTAs and lower power, but I also like some dual and tri coil ones and high power. I like both regulated boxes and mechs.

    So its hard to know what to recommend to a new vaper. That's why I had my friend just go to town with several setups. I had her try the single coil stuff, dual coil stuff, box mods and tubes, regulated and mech, tank and dripper.

    She was adament that she didn't want to build. Also she insisted on internal batteries. And she couldn't do direct lung hits. So it wasn't hard then to narrow down where she should start her vaping journey.

    Obviously over the internet its harder to make recommendations. But, if you're helping someone in person, I think it helps to let him/her try your gear, especially if you use different types of setups. Or if you have things you don't use anymore, let him/her try those as well because that stuff may be the perfect beginner stuff for that person.
     

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    Sorry for the long ramble. I've read many people asking questions about why people start vaping, and how some don't see why a smoker would need to sub-ohm cloud chase, and I couldn't think of any other way to respond here without all of that lol. I can talk quite a bit as you can see.

    Oh, and as to the question on the title, I'm actually going through this right now. My friend still smokes and isn't satisfied by ecigs, likes the heat and yadda yadda, so I'm trying to give him a few things to look at that I feel will give him that satisfaction. So basically, I would ask a bunch of questions about their smoking habit; how much and how you smoke and what you like about it specifically and go from there.

    This was really interesting...thanks for sharing your story.
     
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