I had to stop going to the TP thread, it just seemed to be getting way to elitist in my opinion, and then they had people who was like "I vape at 30 or 40 watts but I only MTL so I must be a tootle puffer." just so they could fit in. When that thread started anyone could fit in no matter how they vaped but it changed too much for me and everyone wants to re-invent the wheel so i just stopped going there. I pretty much stay here, cruise the DIY section at times and hang around that other vape place some