The Womper Woom OR You Might Be A Modwomper

[AndriaD]

Well... it didn't explode or anything.

Seems a bit mild, but I always like to set it a bit lower when I'm first breaking in a new wick; I'll give it 5-10 more hits and turn the heat up to 350 and see how that does.

I'm pleased to find that the Achilles still doesn't give the 'spluttering' with a new wick (as kayfuns always do), even with a different sort of coil. That spluttering thing must be because of the vacuum-thing with kayfuns; I never ever get it with my Achilles, even with a brand new wick like this one.

here's one thing I'm not finding in the manual: how do you adjust the temp? I press the fire btn 3 times, the top row blinks... but when I try to adjust the temp, it jsut changes the mode -- how do I change the temp?

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Ok, i figured it out -- you don't actually enter the menu to change the temp! The 350F setting seems pretty nice.

Andria

 

[chopdoc]

Well... it didn't explode or anything.

Seems a bit mild, but I always like to set it a bit lower when I'm first breaking in a new wick; I'll give it 5-10 more hits and turn the heat up to 350 and see how that does.

I'm pleased to find that the Achilles still doesn't give the 'spluttering' with a new wick (as kayfuns always do), even with a different sort of coil. That spluttering thing must be because of the vacuum-thing with kayfuns; I never ever get it with my Achilles, even with a brand new wick like this one.

here's one thing I'm not finding in the manual: how do you adjust the temp? I press the fire btn 3 times, the top row blinks... but when I try to adjust the temp, it jsut changes the mode -- how do I change the temp?

Andria

the dial on top, turn it one way or the other without pressing any buttons. Make sure the top flashing one you didnt change and its still set on Ti

 

[Lessifer]

What is this thread about, other than enjoying vaping and Life ?

ostensibly this is a place to discuss middle ground vaping issues, but these chatty Cathy's like to keep things moving

@KattMamma with drippers coil placement in regards to airflow is incredibly important. Make sure the coil is directly in line with the air flow, possibly even raise it so the air comes from beneath the coil, and open the airflow all the way. Also, 0.7 sounds pretty high for 24g, is it a very large coil?

 

[USMCotaku]

Ok, i figured it out -- you don't actually enter the menu to change the temp! The 350F setting seems pretty nice.

Andria

Don't forget to "lock" your atty resistance..... Three clicks, toggle left to scroll down to atomizer, toggle right and a little lock icon will appear, click fire button to exit menu

 

[AndriaD]

I dunno; I'm up to 360F, but I don't seem to get as much flavor as from my "standard" build using kanthal, 1.7Ω, 8w; I'm vaping them side by side, same atty, same wicking, same juice... but not as much flavor from the Evic. Maybe it's just because it's a brand new coil and wick? The coil in the kanthal one is several days old, put a new coil in there on Wednesday, rewicked sometime over the weekend -- Saturday afternoon I'm pretty sure. I know sometimes it can take a little while to get good flavor from a new build.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Don't forget to "lock" your atty resistance..... Three clicks, toggle left to scroll down to atomizer, toggle right and a little lock icon will appear, click fire button to exit menu

Heh, yeah, I stumbled into that one when I was trying to figure out how to change the temp. I see the lock icon now.

Andria

 

[USMCotaku]

I dunno; I'm up to 360F, but I don't seem to get as much flavor as from my "standard" build using kanthal, 1.7Ω, 8w; I'm vaping them side by side, same atty, same wicking, same juice... but not as much flavor from the Evic. Maybe it's just because it's a brand new coil and wick? The coil in the kanthal one is several days old, put a new coil in there on Wednesday, rewicked sometime over the weekend -- Saturday afternoon I'm pretty sure. I know sometimes it can take a little while to get good flavor from a new build.

Andria

Your kanthal build is probably hitting higher temps then that by the end of your draw... Just play with the temp till you find your sweet spot....may be higher then you thought

 

[USMCotaku]

I like to put my wattage at 35 for faster heat up
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[AndriaD]

Your kanthal build is probably hitting higher temps then that by the end of your draw... Just play with the temp till you find your sweet spot....may be higher then you thought

I boosted it to 370F, and it might be a little better. I don't want to get too carried away with it though, since this Achilles has such tight airflow.

Glad that .57Ω doesn't seem to be causing a problem; I guess if I want it to be actually .4, maybe 6 wraps instead of 7. My coils very often come out to be higher than whatever I'm aiming for.

Andria

 

[chopdoc]

I dunno; I'm up to 360F, but I don't seem to get as much flavor as from my "standard" build using kanthal, 1.7Ω, 8w; I'm vaping them side by side, same atty, same wicking, same juice... but not as much flavor from the Evic. Maybe it's just because it's a brand new coil and wick? The coil in the kanthal one is several days old, put a new coil in there on Wednesday, rewicked sometime over the weekend -- Saturday afternoon I'm pretty sure. I know sometimes it can take a little while to get good flavor from a new build.

Andria

I have mine set at 500 F and 40 watts and it gives a very pleasant vape but I am also using wide open air flow. Probably somewhere in the 400 range will be your perfect vape.

 

[Stosh]

I boosted it to 370F, and it might be a little better. I don't want to get too carried away with it though, since this Achilles has such tight airflow.

Andria

That's one advantage to TC, if the airflow is tight the coil still doesn't overheat. If you build a Ti or Ni coil in something that has adjustable airflow it's fun to try it at different settings.

370 F is a bit low, I tend to vape on the lower end and am usually closer to 400 F at least. Many are using closer to or over 500 F, I'm not sure how....

 

[USMCotaku]

I boosted it to 370F, and it might be a little better. I don't want to get too carried away with it though, since this Achilles has such tight airflow.

Glad that .57Ω doesn't seem to be causing a problem; I guess if I want it to be actually .4, maybe 6 wraps instead of 7. My coils very often come out to be higher than whatever I'm aiming for.

Andria

Don't worry about restricted airflow..... It's an issue with VW because it's easy to get too hot...... This mod won't go beyond your settings

 

[USMCotaku]

I boosted it to 370F, and it might be a little better. I don't want to get too carried away with it though, since this Achilles has such tight airflow.

Glad that .57Ω doesn't seem to be causing a problem; I guess if I want it to be actually .4, maybe 6 wraps instead of 7. My coils very often come out to be higher than whatever I'm aiming for.

Andria

It's a good idea when using coils over .15 in tc, to go into VW mode and lower that all the way down.... That way if you have a coil issue that makes you drop out of tc you won't get a burnt hit

 

[AndriaD]

It's a good idea when using coils over .15 in tc, to go into VW mode and lower that all the way down.... That way if you have a coil issue that makes you drop out of tc you won't get a burnt hit

That's interesting... that it retains previous settings in vw mode -- I noticed that when I was fiddling with it earlier, when it went to vw mode, it was still set at 9w from when I tried it the other day.

I have it at 380F now, and that seems pretty close to my other one; not terribly warm in this Achilles with knucklehead driptip, but solid TH, as the Achilles does so well.

Since I have the resistance locked, what exactly could make it go high enough to drop out of TC mode? I'm kinda fumbling in the dark both with TC and this particular mod; all of it is completely new -- it's like when I first got my vv3 and T3S... well maybe not quite that bad; I went to the vv3/T3S straight from the eRoll.

Andria

 

[Ryedan]

Andria, FWIW here's something I wrote in another thread on temperature protected vaping:

"There are basically two ways to set up a TP mod. One is to use power (watts) to control the vape and the temperature to stop dry hits. In other words the temperature protection does not kick in while vaping unless the coil becomes dry enough to let its temperature rise. I consider this temperature protection as opposed to temperature control. The DNA boards were designed with this in mind and do it very well. This is also how we are used to doing things without TP.

The second is to set up so the set temperature is reached during vaping and TP kicks in on every drag to reduce the power and maintain temp, which I think of as temperature control.

In order to do this you need to set up your atty so that at the power you set the wick will not move juice fast enough to keep the coil wet enough to keep the temperature below your setpoint. A coil that has enough juice on it will not overheat as long as you're not putting unreasonably high power into it. I've never found a way to do this that gives me as consistent a vape as when I am power limited. I don't find any benefit for flavor or vapor production using TC compared to TP so I stick with TP.

Cotton starts to singe at between 410-420 deg F when it's dry, however it will never be totally dry once it has juice on it. When I use a new atty or a new setup in TP mode I already have a good idea how many watts it can handle without dry hits, but I don't know what coil temperature it normally runs at. If I know it will handle 40 watts and I want to run it at 30 watts I set 30 watts and 440 deg and vape it. If the TP kicks in I raise the temperature until I'm 20-30 deg over the threshold where it kicks in. I've gone as high as 540 deg F, but that's rare and when it happens I generally change the coil setup to one which will run cooler."

So, no answers to the questions you just asked, but I don't use resistance lock or have the same mod or attys. Just thought maybe some of these ideas might help a bit

 

[AndriaD]

Andria, FWIW here's something I wrote in another thread on temperature protected vaping:

"There are basically two ways to set up a TP mod. One is to use power (watts) to control the vape and the temperature to stop dry hits. In other words the temperature protection does not kick in while vaping unless the coil becomes dry enough to let its temperature rise. I consider this temperature protection as opposed to temperature control. The DNA boards were designed with this in mind and do it very well. This is also how we are used to doing things without TP.

The second is to set up so the set temperature is reached during vaping and TP kicks in on every drag to reduce the power and maintain temp, which I think of as temperature control.

In order to do this you need to set up your atty so that at the power you set the wick will not move juice fast enough to keep the coil wet enough to keep the temperature below your setpoint. A coil that has enough juice on it will not overheat as long as you're not putting unreasonably high power into it. I've never found a way to do this that gives me as consistent a vape as when I am power limited. I don't find any benefit for flavor or vapor production using TC compared to TP so I stick with TP.

Cotton starts to singe at between 410-420 deg F when it's dry, however it will never be totally dry once it has juice on it. When I use a new atty or a new setup in TP mode I already have a good idea how many watts it can handle without dry hits, but I don't know what coil temperature it normally runs at. If I know it will handle 40 watts and I want to run it at 30 watts I set 30 watts and 440 deg and vape it. If the TP kicks in I raise the temperature until I'm 20-30 deg over the threshold where it kicks in. I've gone as high as 540 deg F, but that's rare and when it happens I generally change the coil setup to one which will run cooler."

So, no answers to the questions you just asked, but I don't use resistance lock or have the same mod or attys. Just thought maybe some of these ideas might help a bit

Actually I think I might be more confused than I was.

I don't like a very warm vape at all -- with kanthal, I typically run 1.5-1.8 ohm coil at 8 to 10 watts, depending on the atty itself -- with the Achilles, 8w is about the same as a kayfun at 10w.

With my Evic, my titanium coil is .57Ω; I have the power set at 30.5w, and right now the temp is at 380F, and it does seem pretty close to the setup described above, which is how my other Achilles is setup -- it's not a very warm vape, but the TH is solid, thx to the Achilles, it's a champ with TH. After I've used this wick for roughly 12hrs-ish, I may try bumping it as high as 400F, just to see how it does. But right now the TH is solid, and it's producing a decent amount of vapor -- to me! Even with a TC mod, I still have my tootle puffer tastes and limitations.

Andria

 

[VictorViper]

Andria, it sounds to me like you're doing just fine! From other posts around the forum I gather that you have specific reasons for tootle puffing, so it's good to hear that's still a possibility on the TC mod.

Sounds like you're already darn close, I'd just keep tweaking in small increments until you really nail the sweet spot. I think the toughest part is already over: You got in there and did it! First step into the unknown is always the hardest.

 

[Ryedan]

Actually I think I might be more confused than I was.

I don't like a very warm vape at all -- with kanthal, I typically run 1.5-1.8 ohm coil at 8 to 10 watts, depending on the atty itself -- with the Achilles, 8w is about the same as a kayfun at 10w.

With my Evic, my titanium coil is .57Ω; I have the power set at 30.5w, and right now the temp is at 380F, and it does seem pretty close to the setup described above, which is how my other Achilles is setup -- it's not a very warm vape, but the TH is solid, thx to the Achilles, it's a champ with TH. After I've used this wick for roughly 12hrs-ish, I may try bumping it as high as 400F, just to see how it does. But right now the TH is solid, and it's producing a decent amount of vapor -- to me! Even with a TC mod, I still have my tootle puffer tastes and limitations.

Hey, if it's working for you you're doing it the right way for you

Vape on Andria!

 

[AndriaD]

Andria, it sounds to me like you're doing just fine! From other posts around the forum I gather that you have specific reasons for tootle puffing, so it's good to hear that's still a possibility on the TC mod.

Sounds like you're already darn close, I'd just keep tweaking in small increments until you really nail the sweet spot. I think the toughest part is already over: You got in there and did it! First step into the unknown is always the hardest.

Yeah, it's not that I have anything against those "metallic origami" coils I mentioned the other night, but my asthma prevents me from vaping in such a way that massive vapor is produced (and I always use the MtL technique, both because of my asthma, and that's the way I smoked). This is definitely workable for tootling, because I really can't vape in any other way. The 340F setting I started out with, is extremely mild, even with this Achilles that has such tremendous TH.

I've made my way up to 390F, and it's very good, and sub-ohm coil notwithstanding, definitely falls into the tootling category.

Andria