There might be something to these "microcoils" - my first

[dr g]

I've been happy with two 3/4 wraps of 28 gauge in an rda since I first started building in one. Yesterday I was bored and decided to try and make that type of coil EVERYBODY has been talking about or has heard of, the microcoil. I wrapped 28 gauge around a bolt until the coil looked long, unscrewed it from the bolt, pinched it with some tweezers, and then hit for a good while with a butane torch. After some fiddling and some more torching I had a coil I thought looked decent and put it in my IGO-L (finally got around to drilling out the air hole so I can use it again, yay!).

Thoughts? Impressions? Recommendations? I took videos of it firing dry and when wicked, the links are below.

28 Gauge Kanthal, 2.4 Ohms, Cotton Wick, 50/50 juice, 15 Watts

Dry Fire

Wet Fire?

While purists may take issue with your calling this a microcoil (I call coils like this stacked coils or "macrocoils"), you are indeed onto something. Coils like this sacrifice some of the responsiveness of true microcoils for sheer coil mass. This is something you can do with regulated mods.

So you're looking more for vapor volume with this coil, unfortunately with a coil of this size 15w is a little on the low side. You may indeed benefit from a true microcoil at that power level.

Sorry, I tried to make it clear. I love that you are getting info wherever you can. And that you are learning and trying "new" things. Lately, that particular video "guy" has been rubbing me the wrong way. There have been a handful of instances where he takes/is given credit for things he has nothing to do with. And, sometimes, he botches the idea to boot. I'm glad that even he is getting some information out there. I would prefer, however, that a he get it right, and not "borrow" people's innovations without some props.

Playing the "time game", e.g. saying we beat you by xxx months, is only so valid. As time goes on being first only means so much. Eventually it becomes like saying "first" on a video.

Innovation and understanding is what's important. The first to explore are often not the ones that develop the most significant advancements.

That said, if you think about it, tiny, dense coils are not a new development ... they are the basis for cartomizers and some of the first modified atomizers.

 

[pdib]

While purists may take issue with your calling this a microcoil (I call coils like this stacked coils or "macrocoils"), you are indeed onto something. Coils like this sacrifice some of the responsiveness of true microcoils for sheer coil mass. This is something you can do with regulated mods.

So you're looking more for vapor volume with this coil, unfortunately with a coil of this size 15w is a little on the low side. You may indeed benefit from a true microcoil at that power level.



Playing the "time game", e.g. saying we beat you by xxx months, is only so valid. As time goes on being first only means so much. Eventually it becomes like saying "first" on a video.

Innovation and understanding is what's important. The first to explore are often not the ones that develop the most significant advancements.

That said, if you think about it, tiny, dense coils are not a new development ... they are the basis for cartomizers and some of the first modified atomizers.

Agreed. Nonetheless, whenever I benefit from someone else's ideas, I always find time to give them props. Ideas shared morph into better ideas. A healthy community shows reciprocation for shared ideas by acknowledging their source. When I say that I first learned of "tightly stacked coils" from Jasl90*, it is incumbent on him to then give props to the source of his ideas. Aside, from being proper civilized behavior; this allows for future ideas to source back down the tree of thought, and innovate from a full plate of resource material. We certainly aren't doing any kind of fancy science around here; but it won't hurt to borrow from the tradition the rigor of sourcing our material. It does have it's practical benefits.




*Jasl90 doesn't figure into this in any kind of way; except, first example that came to mind. I learned about tightly stacked coils from him.

 

[dr g]

The idea has become sort of part of the fabric of vaping at this point. Unfortunately calling it "microcoils" stripped it of any chance of recognizing the inventor/popularizer the way, for example the "petar k method" does (though i don't think petar k named it that). personally i saw at least a dozen microcoils in pictures before finding the microcoil thread, so i can't really say my first microcoil was based on the content of the microcoil thread. and that thread is so monstrous at this point, i doubt many people bother to read it.

 

[pdib]

Agreed. Nonetheless, whenever I benefit from someone else's ideas, I always find time to give them props. Ideas shared morph into better ideas. A healthy community shows reciprocation for shared ideas by acknowledging their source. When I say that I first learned of "tightly stacked coils" from Jasl90, it is incumbent on him to then give props to the source of his ideas. Aside, from being proper civilized behavior; this allows for future ideas to source back down the tree of thought, and innovate from a full plate of resource material. We certainly aren't doing any kind of fancy science around here; but it won't hurt to borrow from the tradition the rigor of sourcing our material. It does have it's practical benefits.

The idea has become sort of part of the fabric of vaping at this point. Unfortunately calling it "microcoils" stripped it of any chance of recognizing the inventor/popularizer the way, for example the "petar k method" does (though i don't think petar k named it that). personally i saw at least a dozen microcoils in pictures before finding the microcoil thread, so i can't really say my first microcoil was based on the content of the microcoil thread. and that thread is so monstrous at this point, i doubt many people bother to read it.

Sorry. I was opining more broadly.

Just to be clear; I'm not asking you, dr g, to give credit to super_X_drifter for the micro coil, nor to call any particular thing by a certain name. I've checked the history, and know that it is simply a highlighted node in an ever branching tree of ideas. (i.e. I know where his ideas sprouted from and what they ran parallel with.)

I would, however, take this moment to ask people to be good people, and good scientists; to give credit to your source and keep the chain of growing ideas healthy and strong. Most of us do this by nature; it is part of the tacit agreement we practice in organized human society (when it's working well). Perhaps that's why it irks me when people are negligent in this respect.

Nuff said.

 

[gankoji]

The idea has become sort of part of the fabric of vaping at this point. Unfortunately calling it "microcoils" stripped it of any chance of recognizing the inventor/popularizer the way, for example the "petar k method" does (though i don't think petar k named it that). personally i saw at least a dozen microcoils in pictures before finding the microcoil thread, so i can't really say my first microcoil was based on the content of the microcoil thread. and that thread is so monstrous at this point, i doubt many people bother to read it.

I started micro coiling after reading that thread, but you're right: it's monstrous! No way I'm digging through 700 pages of forum posts, and I doubt many others are either.

 

[dr g]

Sorry. I was opining more broadly.

Just to be clear; I'm not asking you, dr g, to give credit to super_X_drifter for the micro coil, nor to call any particular thing by a certain name. I've checked the history, and know that it is simply a highlighted node in an ever branching tree of ideas. (i.e. I know where his ideas sprouted from and what they ran parallel with.)

I would, however, take this moment to ask people to be good people, and good scientists; to give credit to your source and keep the chain of growing ideas healthy and strong. Most of us do this by nature; it is part of the tacit agreement we practice in organized human society (when it's working well). Perhaps that's why it irks me when people are negligent in this respect.

That's kind of my point, by now there's no saying where people are seeing the microcoil idea, chances are it is far removed from the source and people would name some random user of some random socnet as their source.

I understand the desire for recognition, I'm not immune to it, but this particular topic IMO has grown far beyond that expectation at this point. Which is something to be proud of but the original posters in that thread here are no longer the driving forces behind it.

 

[pdib]

yep . . . . cool.

 

[super_X_drifter]

The often misidentified "original thread" is not even the original thread. The first micro coil was born in a chalice on a REO grand and originally posted in a thread in the REOsmods forum of ECF. "micro coil for the RBA on your REO".

I know this because I fathered that beast. What a glorious day that was

Vape on my brothers

 

[josho]

I don't really see the issue with reading a 600+ page thread. I did it twice.

Oh yeah, I forgot. People don't like to read any more.

 

[pdib]

I don't really see the issue with reading a 600+ page thread. I did it twice.

Oh yeah, I forgot. People don't like to read any more.

video please. . . . . . I can't read all ↑ that.

TIA, josho.

 

[josho]

video please. . . . . . I can't read all ↑ that.

TIA, josho.

 

[gankoji]

I don't really see the issue with reading a 600+ page thread. I did it twice.

Oh yeah, I forgot. People don't like to read any more.

On the contrary, I read an average of 100+ pages of technical manuals, textbooks, and boring business documents a day. I just don't like to read on my computer screen .