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Why not, Trog? It's what I did when I saw that. The answer to deceptive claims is to rebut them.
just read that...even happy bunnies wouldnt back that one up...
its just the usual preying on the uneducated...like the 20-40 cigarettes per cartridge lie-and even certain well thought of (but not by me) UK suppliers who post here are still using that dishonest line...even for minicigs...
i complained about this long ago,but i think it was taken as a criticism of this particular guys company,rather than the truth,and justifiable outrage at blatant lying to the uninformed...customer care and integrity--pah!dont make me laugh...
and i dont think its ok and can be ignored because lots of suppliers do it...thats just self perpetuating...these lies shouldnt be tolerated,and suppliers should be called on it every time...
its just the usual preying on the uneducated...like the 20-40 cigarettes per cartridge lie-and even certain well thought of (but not by me) UK suppliers who post here are still using that dishonest line...even for minicigs...
i complained about this long ago,but i think it was taken as a criticism of this particular guys company,rather than the truth,and justifiable outrage at blatant lying to the uninformed...customer care and integrity--pah!dont make me laugh...
and i dont think its ok and can be ignored because lots of suppliers do it...thats just self perpetuating...these lies shouldnt be tolerated,and suppliers should be called on it every time...
no need sanjp i think the guys got the message and so will others.. nice one bunnies... he he
it might sound daft but a good snarl and snap from a few bunnies does far more good than i can ever do.. its just water off a ducks back when it comes from me..
trog
This Happy Bunny just contacted me and asked to be heard.
just a funny, no offense intended
Hi Trog100 I have to jump in here. I'm a newbie (only about two weeks into e-cigs) and already have four pen style batteries (two generic, two name brand) and I'm finding that the charge on each has been lasting close to a day and a half. I charged each initially for 12 hours, and I recharge them overnight (not the 3-4 hours instructed by a name brand seller.) I realize that the batteries are still relatively new and the charge-hold will deteriorate with time, but so far, I'm pretty darned happy.
Also, I found with the name brand, the atomizer took a while to start working, I had to "smoke" it for a while to get it "primed" or something.
For the present, I plan to stick with the pen style and add to my stock of batteries/atomizers, get a few more chargers. Here in Chicago, where a pack of Marlboro's is $7.64 at the corner store (and $8.80 at stores near the Loop) I was spending around $60.00/week for analog, so I don't mind that its a bit labor-intensive.
I can see the point that 20 and Trog and others are trying to make here. This is still new technology - or at least old technology put to a new use. We do burn through atomizers, carts, and juice much faster than we were originally led to believe. This is not a carefree consumer practice the way that analog cigs are - you just buy it, light it, and dispose of it.
We put lots of time and labour into filling carts, charging batteries, finding answers to our questions, helping each other out, keeping up to date on the latest developments, etc. We are addicts, pure and simple. We do all this as a labour of love - love of our addiction that is
. We choose to do this as long as we want to stay away from tobacco.
It sounds to me like 20 either got into this for the wrong reasons or had no real commitment to leaving real cigs behind. My mini has caused me some frustration already, but I chalk it up to learning experiences and keep on trying because this has been the best thing I have encountered so far in tring to leave tobacco
. I WANTED this. I spent weeks talking about it and explaining it to my partner and pestering to make room in the budget to buy an e-cig. I am dealing with pressure for the buying and wanting to stop. I still persevere because I really NEED it
. If it had happened the other way around - someone pressuring me to try this and adopt this lifestyle - I would have rebelled, much the way I think 20 is right now. It had to be my desire to switch, even the most well intended pressure from outside would have resulted in a very dismal display of obstinance
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It is obvious 20 didn't read this forum. I think the real reason is a predetermined desire to stick with the tried and true tobacco cigarette.
I have read chunks of this forum - nowhere near all of it - and you have all been as honest as you are capable of being. I did not learn from the e-bay sellers - Trog not included here - that there were inherent drawbacks to this like failed equipment, doing everything mail-order, lost shipments, etc. I learned that here on the forum, this is where Trog is included. Trog has been very adamant that our OEM batteries are a stop gap measure at best and has devised a better alternative - I do still think Trog is a bit jaded, but he is genuine and honest. The suppliers here have been very forthcoming about cartridge life being nowhere near a pack per cart in anything smaller than a penstyle.
I learned an immense amount by lurking here while I seriously thought about the prospect of fogging instead of smoking. I get the feeling 20 was pushed into making this decision and made a hasty one and continues to make hasty decisions because he really does not WANT to do this yet.
I also have to say I do not see "happy bunnies" here. I see people trying to keep a positive attitude and do the best they know how with the technology they have. I also see merit in the Trog point of view - there are some definite shortcomings in our current products and that is frustrating. I personally have to top up carts even sooner than one cigarette's worth of vapor. I am also extremely grateful to have this option available and to have manufacturer's and supplier's tuning in to our input EVERY single day
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I have immense respect for every one of the regular contributor's to this forum and have grown to see many of you as being quite like a family, squabbles and all
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We put lots of time and labour into filling carts, charging batteries, finding answers to our questions, helping each other out, keeping up to date on the latest developments, etc. We are addicts, pure and simple. We do all this as a labour of love - love of our addiction that is
. We choose to do this as long as we want to stay away from tobacco.It sounds to me like 20 either got into this for the wrong reasons or had no real commitment to leaving real cigs behind. My mini has caused me some frustration already, but I chalk it up to learning experiences and keep on trying because this has been the best thing I have encountered so far in tring to leave tobacco
. I WANTED this. I spent weeks talking about it and explaining it to my partner and pestering to make room in the budget to buy an e-cig. I am dealing with pressure for the buying and wanting to stop. I still persevere because I really NEED it. If it had happened the other way around - someone pressuring me to try this and adopt this lifestyle - I would have rebelled, much the way I think 20 is right now. It had to be my desire to switch, even the most well intended pressure from outside would have resulted in a very dismal display of obstinance.It is obvious 20 didn't read this forum. I think the real reason is a predetermined desire to stick with the tried and true tobacco cigarette.
I have read chunks of this forum - nowhere near all of it - and you have all been as honest as you are capable of being. I did not learn from the e-bay sellers - Trog not included here - that there were inherent drawbacks to this like failed equipment, doing everything mail-order, lost shipments, etc
. I learned that here on the forum, this is where Trog is included. Trog has been very adamant that our OEM batteries are a stop gap measure at best and has devised a better alternative - I do still think Trog is a bit jaded, but he is genuine and honest. The suppliers here have been very forthcoming about cartridge life being nowhere near a pack per cart in anything smaller than a penstyle.I learned an immense amount by lurking here while I seriously thought about the prospect of fogging instead of smoking. I get the feeling 20 was pushed into making this decision and made a hasty one and continues to make hasty decisions because he really does not WANT to do this yet.
I also have to say I do not see "happy bunnies" here. I see people trying to keep a positive attitude and do the best they know how with the technology they have
. I also see merit in the Trog point of view - there are some definite shortcomings in our current products and that is frustrating. I personally have to top up carts even sooner than one cigarette's worth of vapor. I am also extremely grateful to have this option available and to have manufacturer's and supplier's tuning in to our input EVERY single day.I have immense respect for every one of the regular contributor's to this forum and have grown to see many of you as being quite like a family, squabbles and all
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Another product that has its fair share of defective merchandise. It's just like anything else.
The battery is supposed to last 1 or 2 days? I guess that would depend on how much you use whatever e-cig you choose. My batteries on my 901 from LiteCig USA last me as long as it takes for the next one to charge, and shortly there after the one I am using begins to flash to charge it. Is this a ideal situation? No, but I knew the game when I began to play because I read up first.
I do not think Puresmoker, LiteCig USA, Trog or many others are out to get you with lies. These are decent people running decent businesses selling a product we want. However you won't have to look very far on the internet to find the lies desighned to sucker people in!
I'm sorry the original poster is having problems, but even with my cheap health e-cigarette I was relatively satisfied. Put a little bit more work into it and I am sure you too can have a satisfactory experience. For me it has been a great experience and a quick learning curve. I do thinkyou need to understand a little bit about how they work in order to keep them working...And the instructions I recieved were riddled with horrid English making it difficult to uderstand. Luckily I found this forum.
I do not think Puresmoker, LiteCig USA, Trog or many others are out to get you with lies. These are decent people running decent businesses selling a product we want. However you won't have to look very far on the internet to find the lies desighned to sucker people in!
I'm sorry the original poster is having problems, but even with my cheap health e-cigarette I was relatively satisfied. Put a little bit more work into it and I am sure you too can have a satisfactory experience. For me it has been a great experience and a quick learning curve. I do thinkyou need to understand a little bit about how they work in order to keep them working...And the instructions I recieved were riddled with horrid English making it difficult to uderstand. Luckily I found this forum.
Wow, a whole lot of harsh ridicule from a lot of you guys.. I don't know if you noticed it or not, but I was not promoting my own products in any thread outside of the suppliers forum. I may have a link to the site in my signature, but if anything I want people to make an informed decision, and often recommend my "competitors" products before my own. I know it is none of anyone's business, but I do most of my sales offline.. and I find the accusations of some of you downright insulting.
Who are all of you to call me a liar?
I have had MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES.. and they won't necessarily reflect yours.
MY OWN 901 batteries have lasted a day, and the occasional day-and-a-half to 2 day stretch.
And IN MY OPINION, I use the device frequently, and had given up smoking analogs the day I got my first one. I was a pack and a half per day smoker.
My girlfriend has a 901 and sometimes forgets to charge the battery at night, and it lasts her into the next day.. the same goes for a good friend of mine.
Maybe you "senior members" should look at how much you use the device, and then make informed statements, instead of rash accusations. Many of you constantly bring up the fact that you are vaping large amounts on a daily basis.. Yes, maybe for those of you who can't seem to put the thing down, a battery will only last 30 minutes.
IN MY OPINION the AVERAGE user will be able to see about a day of battery life.
The invite is out there to anyone that would like to spend a day with me and find out for themselves, and until the moment that someone can prove that I was making false statements, I would appreciate a bit of the same respect that I give to all of you.
Who are all of you to call me a liar?
I have had MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES.. and they won't necessarily reflect yours.
MY OWN 901 batteries have lasted a day, and the occasional day-and-a-half to 2 day stretch.
And IN MY OPINION, I use the device frequently, and had given up smoking analogs the day I got my first one. I was a pack and a half per day smoker.
My girlfriend has a 901 and sometimes forgets to charge the battery at night, and it lasts her into the next day.. the same goes for a good friend of mine.
Maybe you "senior members" should look at how much you use the device, and then make informed statements, instead of rash accusations. Many of you constantly bring up the fact that you are vaping large amounts on a daily basis.. Yes, maybe for those of you who can't seem to put the thing down, a battery will only last 30 minutes.
IN MY OPINION the AVERAGE user will be able to see about a day of battery life.
The invite is out there to anyone that would like to spend a day with me and find out for themselves, and until the moment that someone can prove that I was making false statements, I would appreciate a bit of the same respect that I give to all of you.
As the batteries get older with use, they don't hold the charge so well. Simple fact of life and the reason why I'm now looking at USB mods.
I completely agree.. Some degradation is to be expected from any battery.. Look at cell phones.. those things usually start off great, and at the end of a year, won't hold a charge for more than 4 hours.. haha
I recently made my own USB mod out of boredom and have grown to love it. Extremely convenient, seeing as I spend way too much time in front of a computer..
I recently made my own USB mod out of boredom and have grown to love it. Extremely convenient, seeing as I spend way too much time in front of a computer..
Lib the inherent problem here is not that you were voicing your OPINION. It is that you have that "Supplier" tag beneath your name and answered a question from a new user with a statement that seemed very much to any reader to be presented as fact:
"If you do the initial charge correctly, a fully-charged battery should last you between 1 and 2 days, depending on how much you use the device. In my personal experience.. I use mine very often, and I get at least a full day from a full charge."
To any newbie and many veterans, this looks clearly like a supplier giving advice, not a user giving opinion. As a supplier, newbies expect to get "expert" advice from you and if you are simply speaking from personal experience you should state that in the beginning, and make it clear that you are not stating an expert fact. I am not a "senior member" nor a long time user and I do not vape a ridiculous amount. I generally go through about 2ml per day and rotate between my Puresmoker Penstyle and my Puresmoker Mini. "Yes, maybe for those of you who can't seem to put the thing down, a battery will only last 30 minutes." - nice reply...you couldn't have defended yourself with just everything you had said above but had to go ahead with this? You're truly not going to win any respect around here with that type of response.
As for your invite - it's a moot point. How would someone spending the day with you know that you are using an older battery that you've already been using for a week or two for that day and not a brand new straight from the charger battery which we all know lasts a full day for the first 2-3 days? C'mon now. All this could have been easily resolved if you'd simply stated either in your original statement or in a followup after comments were made that this is "your personal experience". And not the expert advice of a supplier. If you have read through these forums you should be aware of the constant issues users have with batteries and should have expected this kind of response to your original statement of them lasting 1-2 days.
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Mommyshann,
I think that my statement was worded perfectly..
"If you do the initial charge correctly, a fully-charged battery should last you between 1 and 2 days, depending on how much you use the device. In my personal experience.. I use mine very often, and I get at least a full day from a full charge."
It says what you could probably expect depending on usage, and then lists my opinion and personal experience. I went ~4 months on the same batteries that came with my 901 and never had any problems. It seems another member has had similar luck with their batteries as well. It could just be a case where there is a huge amount of product sold, and you get a couple bad seeds.. or it could be a real problem..
I follow-up many purchases with questions regarding my product's performance, and have had no complaints about battery life from anyone to date. I also completely understand where you are coming from about having the supplier tag, and the responsibility that comes along with it.. and I don't think that I was out of line in any way. As a supplier, with my own experience (as a supplier) backing my claims, I will still make that same statement to anyone that asks about battery life, because I know it to be true.
Seeing as how none of it has any kind of real testing behind it.. your fact is as good as mine. I don't go about the forums calling those of you who have had bad luck with their batteries liars, and come at you in a negative manner for trying to "scare people away".. I would just appreciate the same respect. No more, no less.
I would even want to go as far as to find a way to figure all of this out. We should try to get a large group of people interested in a study of battery life.. Maybe 100 members or so using the same model. We can start a thread, and have all participating members post their exact battery life (to the hour) and approximate age of battery. That way we could get a more accurate number for everyone.
I think that my statement was worded perfectly..
"If you do the initial charge correctly, a fully-charged battery should last you between 1 and 2 days, depending on how much you use the device. In my personal experience.. I use mine very often, and I get at least a full day from a full charge."
It says what you could probably expect depending on usage, and then lists my opinion and personal experience. I went ~4 months on the same batteries that came with my 901 and never had any problems. It seems another member has had similar luck with their batteries as well. It could just be a case where there is a huge amount of product sold, and you get a couple bad seeds.. or it could be a real problem..
I follow-up many purchases with questions regarding my product's performance, and have had no complaints about battery life from anyone to date. I also completely understand where you are coming from about having the supplier tag, and the responsibility that comes along with it.. and I don't think that I was out of line in any way. As a supplier, with my own experience (as a supplier) backing my claims, I will still make that same statement to anyone that asks about battery life, because I know it to be true.
Seeing as how none of it has any kind of real testing behind it.. your fact is as good as mine. I don't go about the forums calling those of you who have had bad luck with their batteries liars, and come at you in a negative manner for trying to "scare people away".. I would just appreciate the same respect. No more, no less.
I would even want to go as far as to find a way to figure all of this out. We should try to get a large group of people interested in a study of battery life.. Maybe 100 members or so using the same model. We can start a thread, and have all participating members post their exact battery life (to the hour) and approximate age of battery. That way we could get a more accurate number for everyone.
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Wow what a d i c k the op is. Am I just one of the lucky ones then? Since I started using my mini little over a month ago I have never had an atomiser fail, just weaken. I've been bringing them back to life a little by overheating the coil. I have 3 atomisers and 4 batteries and I am just fine thanks. It takes a bit of getting used to but I've never had anything that didn't work full stop. I find Jason's English Cigarette atomisers to be the best so far. Maybe I'm just being a brand snob as they prob all come from the same factory.
Besides this place is for grown ups, we can do wihtout little cry babies who start abusing people beacuse things aren't going quite to plan for them. There is a ton of people on here who will help all they can when asked nicely.
Peace y'all
Besides this place is for grown ups, we can do wihtout little cry babies who start abusing people beacuse things aren't going quite to plan for them. There is a ton of people on here who will help all they can when asked nicely.
Peace y'all
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