**Thinking about Rio Grand & Grand VV - Battery Life?

[bleev]

I have been wanting to get a rio grand because it all mechanical, replaceable parts & washable. However I have a vmod xl 18650 and I don't seem to get much life out of them (3 months old).

My question is:

Will the VV Grand use more of the stored energy in the 18650 than the mechanical version? ...giving me longer times between changing batteries.

I mean when using a 1.5 ohm atomizer on my mechanical vmod xl when it drops to maybe 2.85+- volts from 4.20 I need to change batteries.

Thanks for he guidance!

 

[ease21]

You should really replace them around 3.3 either way. Sometimes I kill em down to 3, but doing that repeatedly will effect the life of the battery.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Hi, VVg is a very awesome mod. You will get longer and more consistent battery life out of it than a Grand. I have both and love them. However, the grands battery life is very good too.

It's funny, I used to think VV was for those who want to vape at higher voltage. I actually run mine near the low setting cause I guess I like a little cooler vape? I compensate for that on my grand by adding a few wraps to the coil (to increase resistance).

Either way you go, you'll likely buy the other in the future - why not just get both now that way you have a backup

 

[Bob57]

The VV Grand will cut off before the batteries drop to low (it uses 18350's).
I get most of the day out of a set, I've never ran down 2 sets in a day.
Thats running 4-4.2 volts @ 2 ohm,,

 

[JC Okie]

Keep in mind that the VV Grand uses two 18350 batteries (700 mAh) and NOT the 18650s. I can get quite a few hours on my VV Grand with the 18350s, and it's a consistent voltage clear up to almost the very end; I get LONGER on the Grand with the 1600 mAh 18650 battery, BUT it begins to drop from it's fresh-off-the-charger 4.2 volts down to about 3.6 or 3.6 volts when I feel like I need to change it out, the minute you start using it. The AW IMR will hold at a pretty high voltage longer than some 18650s, but..... It's a trade off. Personally, I enjoy the consistent vape I get from the VV Grand more...even if I have to change out the batteries a little sooner. I think it might just come down to personal taste with neither having much of an advantage over the other depending on what's important to you.

I know it sounds sorta frivolous to say get both, but we say/think that because they are both great, and they each have advantages and disadvantages over the other. Even though I vape on the VV Grand almost exclusively, I'm totally glad I have the Grand because it's all mechanical and TOTALLY reliable. You can have a switch or a VV chip go out on the VV Grand; NOTHING ever seems to go out on the Grand. Also, if anything DOES go wrong with the Grand, I can fix it myself. Not so with the VV Grand.

 

[bleev]

Thank you all for taking the time to respond with valuable info.

In my Vmod XL I have one AW 18650 Protected 3400 mAh Rechargeable Lithium Battery. Favorite 18650 ever.

I also have two AW IMR 2000mAh 7.4WH which seem to drop really quickly. When it starts to drop in my favorite DIY RY4 juice the vanilla is unperceivable....which make the favor less enjoyable.

The first 18650 3400 mAh 12.2 WH lasts forever at high levels of voltage....it's longer in length but does fit my vmod xl...not sure if it would fit the rio grand mechanical? Dimensions are: 18.50 X 68.16mm...anyone try one of these in a rio grand? The battery is a workhorse! If it would fit I would be leaning toward the mechanical grand because of the reliability and ability to buy and install every replacement part on the mod from rio...not to mention complete suburmagible cleaning and my fav battery...

 

[nerak]

Thank you all for taking the time to respond with valuable info.

In my Vmod XL I have one AW 18650 Protected 3400 mAh Rechargeable Lithium Battery. Favorite 18650 ever.

I also have two AW IMR 2000mAh 7.4WH which seem to drop really quickly. When it starts to drop in my favorite DIY RY4 juice the vanilla is unperceivable....which make the favor less enjoyable.

The first 18650 3400 mAh 12.2 WH lasts forever at high levels of voltage....it's longer in length but does fit my vmod xl...not sure if it would fit the rio grand mechanical? Dimensions are: 18.50 X 68.16mm...anyone try one of these in a rio grand? The battery is a workhorse! If it would fit I would be leaning toward the mechanical grand because of the reliability and ability to buy and install every replacement part on the mod from rio...not to mention complete suburmagible cleaning and my fav battery...

The REO Grand really needs a shorter battery than the 3400 you have. Yours will compress the spring so it can't collapse in case of a short. The AW IMR works fantastic with the L.R. atty's and cartos.

You should get quite enough time in the REO Grand with the AW IMR 2000. Don't let the battery drop more than 3.5. It will cut the useful life of the battery.

I am sure you will love being a Reonaut with either the REO Grand or VVREO Grand.

 

[bleev]

Thanks nerak!

Does anyone know if there are drip shields for the mechanical rio grand using just traditional 1.5 oHm atomizers lick cisco...etc?

If so what is the best and where can they be purchased?

AGAIN thanks to everyone for being so kind and helpful.

 

[nerak]

Thanks nerak!

Does anyone know if there are drip shields for the mechanical rio grand using just traditional 1.5 oHm atomizers lick cisco...etc?

If so what is the best and where can they be purchased?

AGAIN thanks to everyone for being so kind and helpful.

You will not NEED a drip shield. But if you want to use one you will need an adapter for the 510/510 connection. There really is no need to use one, the drip well will catch any excess juice.

I have never bought any or used them. Not sure which atty's they will fit.

 

[Blix]

Thanks nerak!

Does anyone know if there are drip shields for the mechanical rio grand using just traditional 1.5 oHm atomizers lick cisco...etc?

If so what is the best and where can they be purchased?

AGAIN thanks to everyone for being so kind and helpful.

There is no need for drip shields.

 

[bleev]

The REO Grand really needs a shorter battery than the 3400 you have. Yours will compress the spring so it can't collapse in case of a short.

You know the AW 18650 Protected 3400 mAh Rechargeable Lithium Battery is protected, so wouldn't that prevent the spring from collapsing if a short occurs?

I was thinking about the drip shield because when in bed vaping I need to tilt the mod quite a bit to vape.


EDIT: Also are all RG powder coated? I know anodizing can be scratched and is not close to being as durable as powder coating. If they are powder coated now is it just the wrinkle finish that has it. I really do like the wrinkle... seems to me it would be more grippy.

 

[nerak]

You know the AW 18650 Protected 3400 mAh Rechargeable Lithium Battery is protected, so wouldn't that prevent the spring from collapsing if a short occurs?

I was thinking about the drip shield because when in bed vaping I need to tilt the mod quite a bit to vape.

You really should not have juice in the drip well collecting. Mine are usually dry. If you do not over fill your atty it should not be a concern.

The AW Protected batteries just don't work well with the L.R. atty's if that is what you will use.

I would not rely on a battery to cut out in case of a short.

If you are spending to get the REO then why not go with what is recommended for it? The safety feature of the spring collapsing is not something to disregard.

 

[JC Okie]

About the powder coating vs. anodizing...all of the wrinkle colors are powder coating. After you pick a color, you can PM Rob (redeyedancer) and ask to make sure if it's anodized or powder coated. We pretty much know which are which, too, so just ask. I think (could be wrong) he's going more and more with powder coating, so there are more of those at this point than the anodized ones....but just ask after you find a few you like.

 

[supertrunker]

i can use an 18650 li-ion battery AW ic 3100mAh in the vv Grand at a push, however it rather defeats the point of a vv mod since you can only get 3.7v from it.

But Nerak is right about it crushing the spring in a Grand. When i thought all 18650s were the same, i stuffed it in my Grand and it worked - until i melted the button and firing pin!! Back it had to go for repair #1.

T

 

[super_X_drifter]

I have had 2 non wrinkles that were powdercoated. It was a stunning and durable finish.

I currently have 2 anodized - another vibrant, durable finish.

And then there's my black wrinkle. What a beast

 

[Faylool]

Ok...its a 2600 mah..edited-
For plain old Grand.But the lower mah AW protected wont? Crush the spring? I just ordered 2 from light hound! I actually found the high drain AW too efficient for my fruit vapes and i also think protected in a Reo would be best since im terribly stupid about battery stuff and better play it safe side after all even though high drain is supposed to be fine and all that good stuff. I think i got 2100mah...maybe 2400 at most

i can use an 18650 li-ion battery AW ic 3100mAh in the vv Grand at a push, however it rather defeats the point of a vv mod since you can only get 3.7v from it.

But Nerak is right about it crushing the spring in a Grand. When i thought all 18650s were the same, i stuffed it in my Grand and it worked - until i melted the button and firing pin!! Back it had to go for repair #1.

T

 

[redeyedancer]

The only anodized mods I offer now are silver and black and they will say anodized in the description

 

[Racehorse]

Can I use a 18500 in the 2.0 or do I have to use a 18490?

What would be the diff in battery life? Seems like it would be negligible?


Also, what are the things that go wrong with VV chip and how much usually to replace that?

 

[bleev]

The only anodized mods I offer now are silver and black and they will say anodized in the description

Thank you so much for responding. I'm just so excited to get my hands on a bottom feeding mod that is repairable and will last. Right now with my Vmod with a 6 month warranty if it breaks (again) in the next month there is no way to purchase replacement parts to fix the thing....and it's a plastic interior...

The Rio Grand seems like the top of the top shelf bottom feeders.


QUESTION to anyone that knows: If I use a 1.5 oHm cisco type replaceable atomizer does it draw more energy from the battery(s) then a 2.0 oHm atomizer? I mean will a 1.5 increase a needed battery change more often than a 2.0?

 

[nerak]

Thank you so much for responding. I'm just so excited to get my hands on a bottom feeding mod that is repairable and will last. Right now with my Vmod with a 6 month warranty if it breaks (again) in the next month there is no way to purchase replacement parts to fix the thing....and it's a plastic interior...

The Rio Grand seems like the top of the top shelf bottom feeders.


QUESTION to anyone that knows: If I use a 1.5 oHm cisco type replaceable atomizer does it draw more energy from the battery(s) then a 2.0 oHm atomizer? I mean will a 1.5 increase a needed battery change more often than a 2.0?

I find the L.R. Atty's do pull a little more from the battery.

Oh, and it's a REO Grand you want, not a Rio!!! LOL!!! The letters REO stand for Robert Eugene O'Neil, the owner and maker of these wonderful PV's!