Thinking it is time Help Please No Laughing.

[Deeo]

After reading about taxes going through in some places for ejuice, i just know it will follow and be like this everywhere. So i have decided to look into how to make my own ejuice. I am not going to make it right away (kinda scared) but would like to have the stuff on hand.

I am very confused and have a few questions. I looked into nicotine and i see it says 36-100mg and comes in either PG or VG. So my question is what do i get to make 12mg-6mg? That is what i buy right now. The bottles i buy are mixed 60PG and 40VG. Would like to make this the same. I know i would still need PG and VG to mix in with flavoring too.

Now i have one other question so far and that is....Are this the nicotine bottles that i would order Liquid Nicotine and i thought that working with nicotine you would need a mask but no one on YouTube where a mask?

Like i said i am not going to try to make my own juice just yet as i have a lot to learn first as you can tell But again prices i hear might be $100.00 a 30ml bottle soon. Would like to have some stock here and oh yes one more question. How long does nicotine last? Does it go bad? I heard i would keep it in a freezer to keep for a while?

 

[Harlen]

Even if you get nicotine at close too the level you vape adding flavor will cut down the nicotine a little.
That's what I would do get 1000ml of close to what you vape and flavor I know I like .
It's an option ?

 

[Deeo]

Yes but i am still confused. This site above in my post starts at 36mg. I am only on 12 -6 mg. Also how do i get the 60PG and 40VG mix to happen. When nicotine comes in either PG or VG based. I thought it was just nicotine and it was the pg/vg that made the 60/40?

 

[Hoosier]

When looking at nicotine remember that "mg" is crappy shorthand for "mg/ml" and the math for adjusting nicotine strength will make much more sense.

PG/VG is the percentage of each expressed as a ratio. The PG & VG going into the mix come from plain USP PG, plain USP VG, Nicotine solution in either PG or VG, and flavorings. (Most flavorings are PG based.) If you're not accounting for 100% of your components, it's kinda' hard to have your PG & VG #'s add up to 100%.

 

[Deeo]

How do i get the 60PG and 40VG mix to happen and end result 12-6mg. So my question is what mg bottle of nicotine, mg PG and mg VG do i get? Each of these bottles have different strengths.

 

[Hoosier]

If the math is too difficult to grasp right away, have you thought of using a calculator?

There's one in the sticky's. There's E-juice Me Up. There are also a number of mixing calculators online.

I mean, I'm going to tell you to make sure your bottle has 12mg/ml to 6mg/ml of nicotine made with 60% of the components being PG and 40% of the components being VG. I'm not a good teacher. I know this because the above looks obvious to me. That's why I think you might get some use out of experimenting on a mixing calculator to get a basic grasp of the math and then learn the ratio math behind the calculator.

 

[SleeZy]

I kinda want to know this aswell, i want to cut it to 24mg.

If i've grasped this right it should be like this right?
100ml PG with 48mg nic
100ml VG no nic If i blend these i would get 50/50 24mg? Or do i think wrong here?

 

[glasseye]

Deeo, this http://www.ecigvape.com/pgvg_calculator.php is an online calculator. All the values can be changed, so play around for a few minutes. Say you get 60mg nic in 100% PG. Put that in the field, set your own PG/VG ratio, play around with flavor percentages and it'll spit out a recipe to follow. Really pretty easy.
BTW- someone did a cost ratio on different nic levels and 60mg and 100mg were very similar in cost. You're going to need PG and VG in any case and most of the time you can find it locally. For now, just check out the calculator. There are other more popular downloadable ones, but I use that one I linked to.

aka- yeah, what Hoosier said. lol

 

[Spazmelda]

There are calculators you can download and use to do the math for you. One is ejuiceme up. There are many others. For the calculators, you basically plug in what you want and what you are starting with and it will tell you how much of each component to add. I'd suggest downloading on of these and plugging some numbers in. For example, pretend that you have 100% pg at 36 mg/ml nicotine, and you are going to add 20% flavor with a final pg/VG ratio of 60/40. See what sort of numbers you come up with. Then try the same thing, but use 100% VG base in the calculator. This will give you an idea of what's possible with which starting ingredients.

There are all sorts of possibilities of what you could get that would work. Since you like 60% pg you'd probably be better off getting 100% pg nicotine, but 50/50 would probably work in most cases as well. PG is much thinner than VG so I prefer working with 100% pg nicotine base. For making 6-12 mg/ml I'd probably suggest going with at least 36 mg/ml base. That will give you plenty of room for flavors. 18 mg/ml would work in some cases, but for a juice with 12mg/ml and a lot of flavors, you might not have enough room to add all the flavors and have the numbers work out right.

Buying 100 mg/ml is a little more economical, and takes up less freezer space, but if you are not comfortable with that idea definitely the lower nicotine will work. If you are planning on stocking up, you might get some 36 mg/ml and go ahead and buy some 100 mg/ml to have on hand once you get more comfortable working with the stuff. I do not use a mask for 100 mg/ml. I keep the bottle open for as short a time as possible (without rushing so much as to make silly mistakes like knocking a bottle over). I've never noticed any fumes or ill effects. You can always mix the entire bottle of higher nicotine down to a lower strength and use that as your working stock, which limits the amount of time you have to deal with the higher nic.

 

[Hoosier]

I kinda want to know this aswell, i want to cut it to 24mg.

If i've grasped this right it should be like this right?
100ml PG with 48mg nic
100ml VG no nic If i blend these i would get 50/50 24mg? Or do i think wrong here?

Right you took 100ml * 48mg/ml = 4800mg of nicotine.
Your bottle will contain 100ml PG and 100ml VG for 200ml of 50/50.
So 4800mg/200ml = 24mg/ml

 

[SleeZy]

Deeo, this DIY E-Liquid Calculator Ten Flavors Plus PG/VG Adjusting is an online calculator. All the values can be changed, so play around for a few minutes. Say you get 60mg nic in 100% PG. Put that in the field, set your own PG/VG ratio, play around with flavor percentages and it'll spit out a recipe to follow. Really pretty easy.
BTW- someone did a cost ratio on different nic levels and 60mg and 100mg were very similar in cost. You're going to need PG and VG in any case and most of the time you can find it locally. For now, just check out the calculator. There are other more popular downloadable ones, but I use that one I linked to.

aka- yeah, what Hoosier said. lol

Woah confusing...
It keeps making my juice at 60 :S
"Target of 50% PG Can Not Be Reached
Resulting Recipe Shown Is 60% PG The Minimum PG% Possible.
( 60% PG 40% VG 0% Water/Vodka/PGA )"

Trying to make 50/50 24mg from 60mg

Right you took 100ml * 48mg/ml = 4800mg of nicotine.
Your bottle will contain 100ml PG and 100ml VG for 200ml of 50/50.
So 4800mg/200ml = 24mg/ml

Alright thank you! Simplified maths works sometimes eh?
That would be good enough for me, and after flavours i guess i'd be around 18? (i did not count i'm just throwing in numbers here) 18-24 is my range i'd like to be at.

But as the TS i'm going to read up more & start simple with diy kit.
But it's good to know, as VG is sold at the local pharmas for like 10-12$for 300ml

 

[Hoosier]

Woah confusing...
It keeps making my juice at 60 :S
"Target of 50% PG Can Not Be Reached
Resulting Recipe Shown Is 60% PG The Minimum PG% Possible.
( 60% PG 40% VG 0% Water/Vodka/PGA )"

Trying to make 50/50 24mg from 60mg

If you were inputting flavoring (more PG) then that makes sense. If you had 0-flavoring, then that would be confusing.

If you were making a 10ml bottle of 24mg/ml juice, you'd need 24mg/ml * 10ml = 240mg of nicotine in that 10ml. Using 60mg/ml PG based nicotine that would require 240mg / 60mg/ml = 3ml. So you have 10ml-3ml, or 7ml in the bottle. If you had some crazy number like 25% flavoring, that would require 2.5ml of flavoring in PG being added, so you have 5.5ml of PG in that bottle already. (That's 55%)

 

[glasseye]

Woah confusing...
It keeps making my juice at 60 :S
"Target of 50% PG Can Not Be Reached
Resulting Recipe Shown Is 60% PG The Minimum PG% Possible.
( 60% PG 40% VG 0% Water/Vodka/PGA )"

Trying to make 50/50 24mg from 60mg

Right. You left the flavor values intact and it reads them as 100% PG. Lots of people don't like that calculator, but I'm used to it.
Go for what's comfortable!

 

[Spazmelda]

Woah confusing...
It keeps making my juice at 60 :S
"Target of 50% PG Can Not Be Reached
Resulting Recipe Shown Is 60% PG The Minimum PG% Possible.
( 60% PG 40% VG 0% Water/Vodka/PGA )"

Trying to make 50/50 24mg from 60mg



Alright thank you! Simplified maths works sometimes eh?

Right, so sometimes what you are trying to make is not possible with what you are starting with.

One thing to remember is that flavors usually come in pg, so if you calculate percentages by hand (not using a juice calculator) you have to subtract the amount of the flavors you are adding from the total pg that you came up with. (The juice calculators automatically do this for you.)

So say, if you were trying to make 30 ml of 50% pg 12 mg/ml and 20% flavor, starting with 36 mg/ml nicotine in pg...

You'd need 10 ml of nicotine ((12/36)x30). 6 ml flavor (20%x30). And 15 ml total of pg (50%x30). But, the flavor and the nicotine are both in pg, so you've essentially already added 16 ml of pg. You only needed 15, so that recipe is not possible.

If you were to lower your flavor percentage to 15%, you'd only be adding 4.5 ml of flavor (15%x30). Then your 10 ml of nicotine and 4.5 ml of flavor only add up to 14.5 ml of pg, and you'd make up the difference by adding another 0.5 ml of straight pg to bring the total up to 15.

That's probably too confusing, but that's why the calculator is telling you that 60/40 is the lowest pg possible for that specific set of starting materials.

 

[SleeZy]

If you were inputting flavoring (more PG) then that makes sense. If you had 0-flavoring, then that would be confusing.

If you were making a 10ml bottle of 24mg/ml juice, you'd need 24mg/ml * 10ml = 240mg of nicotine in that 10ml. Using 60mg/ml PG based nicotine that would require 240mg / 60mg/ml = 3ml. So you have 10ml-3ml, or 7ml in the bottle. If you had some crazy number like 25% flavoring, that would require 2.5ml of flavoring in PG being added, so you have 5.5ml of PG in that bottle already. (That's 55%)

Thank you for making that clear, and yeah i now saw the simplified calc. and i got it right i think.
I didn't edit the flavouring used the base 15%

Does this seem right?

60mg) Nicotine E-Liquid 40 ml 800 drops 40 %
PG/VG 10 ml 200 drops 10 %
Water/Vodka/PGA 35 ml 700 drops 35 %
Enter Flavor Name 15 ml 300 drops 15 %

I've no idea why it says water/vodka/pga as i rather want that to be VG. But i think i grasped the very basics of that atleast.
I'm going to research some more
Thanks for your quick replies

Edit: oh i didn't know flavours counted as PG, stupid of me that i didnt think of that. (as PG carries the flavours...)

 

[Spazmelda]

Thank you for making that clear, and yeah i now saw the simplified calc. and i got it right i think.
I didn't edit the flavouring used the base 15%

Does this seem right?


I've no idea why it says water/vodka/pga as i rather want that to be VG. But i think i grasped the very basics of that atleast.
I'm going to research some more
Thanks for your quick replies

Edit: oh i didn't know flavours counted as PG, stupid of me that i didnt think of that. (as PG carries the flavours...)

Most flavors do come in pg, but you can find them in other carriers as well. Alcohol sometimes, maybe VG? I don't really know. All the ones I use come in pg.

Also, it's hard to say what percentage of flavoring you are going to like. I tend to keep my mixes at 10% or lower as I like light flavors. Many people like them higher though. That's why it's good to play around with the calculators and make sure you get a high enough nicotine concentration so that you will be able to add enough flavor to make it to your liking.

 

[hfornazier]

You can download a software to calculate everything right! here: eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator

 

[hfornazier]

My suggestion is that you start from the basics:

example:
60% PG
40% vg
3% flavor you prefer
Nicotine 11mg (for example)

Make only 5ml because will spend little material and if you do not like or get stronger you can change.

important:
The immediate taste is not the true flavor, it changes with time, so it is necessary maturation.
You need at least 7 days to maturity ... the ideal is 15/20 days.

See a calculated example:

 

[hfornazier]

My suggestion is that you start from the basics:

example:
60% PG
40% vg
3% flavor you prefer
Nicotine 11mg (for example)

Make only 5ml because will spend little material and if you do not like or get stronger you can change.

important:
The immediate taste is not the true flavor, it changes with time, so it is necessary maturation.
You need at least 7 days to maturity ... the ideal is 15/20 days.

After testing you can do by changing the amount PG / VG (65 x 35) (70x30)
and change the percentage of aroma up or down depending on your taste.

See a calculated example:
View attachment 313952

 

[SleeZy]

It's a shame that i've spent the double of my vaping budget already. I'm checking at inawera, they've plenty of cheap flavours. And 50/50 base. was thinking of trying a 100ml base just to get the hang of the whole DIY thing.
But that has to wait abit

I've started to understand the calcs now. Thanks!
And sorry to TS for hijacking the thread, kind of.