This article kind of bugs me... A LOT really...military restricts ecig use -.-

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Air Force aims to curtail electronic cigarette use - Bullseye

So i'm in the reserves. I used to smoke. I quit by smoking e-cigs/VPs. I started trying to use these indoors and was told i had to use them in the smoking areas. Not much i could do. But when i asked where it stated in the regs that i couldn't use e-cigs i was brushed off. So i'm constantly looking for this mysterious regulation that continues to elude me. I ran across this article and it was interesting...ly frustrating read. Read it, skim it, let me know what you think.

If you happen to know of any army regulations that state i cant use my e-cig i'd be greatful so i can stop sitting outside with smokers blowing cig smoke in my face. I kind of feel like if i cant smoke my ecig why should other be allowed to chew their nicotine gum?! -.-

 

[Edin]

“Most people use electronic cigarettes as crutch to quit smoking,” Weart said. “Unfortunately these individuals don’t realize they are being provided the same amount of nicotine and behavioral stimulation they would get from smoking actual cigarettes.”

This line here made me roll my eyes... I'd take that article with a grain of salt cause it appears they don't know what they are talking about. I know I realize that I'd be getting the same mount of nicotine and behavioral stimulation... cause that's the point... right?

 

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This line here made me roll my eyes... I'd take that article with a grain of salt cause it appears they don't know what they are talking about. I know I realize that I'd be getting the same mount of nicotine and behavioral stimulation... cause that's the point... right?

i agree. the same quote made me also roll my eyes in frustration. its like they did no research. had to sit and think and vape on it. lol

 

[Smithy963]

Air Force aims to curtail electronic cigarette use - Bullseye

So i'm in the reserves. I used to smoke. I quit by smoking e-cigs/VPs. I started trying to use these indoors and was told i had to use them in the smoking areas. Not much i could do. But when i asked where it stated in the regs that i couldn't use e-cigs i was brushed off. So i'm constantly looking for this mysterious regulation that continues to elude me. I ran across this article and it was interesting...ly frustrating read. Read it, skim it, let me know what you think.

If you happen to know of any army regulations that state i cant use my e-cig i'd be greatful so i can stop sitting outside with smokers blowing cig smoke in my face. I kind of feel like if i cant smoke my ecig why should other be allowed to chew their nicotine gum?! -.-

I hate when you see these kinds of arguments. When it boils down to it I suppose you could take a couple of routes.

1. Risk getting thrown out until somebody shows you 'law' stating you cannot use E-cigs inside by refusing to stop, then when they do push it further by fighting to have coffee banned from being consumed inside, stop them from boiling water inside etc.

2. Only tote in areas where you won't get caught and stealth smoke the rest of the time.

Unfortunately, smoking has such a stigma attached to it that people will go apesh!t just at the sight of you putting your hand to your mouth and seeing 'smoke' as you exhale.

I plan to follow number 1 in shopping centres for example and #2 at my place of work it's all about weighing up risk I suppose :\

P.s. The article you show is filled with so much stupidity and propaganda:

"Even though e-cigarettes don’t contain a majority of the chemicals found in regular cigarettes, they do contain chemicals that are equally, if not more harmful to those who inhale them. These chemicals include diethylene glycol, a component of antifreeze that’s toxic to humans and is banned in food and drugs, and nitrosamine, which is a radioactive substance known to cause cancer" needs citing

"This program lasts as long as the user needs it[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]" - I'm going to be need this 'support system' for the rest of my life...[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I really don't know if it's the tobacco companies worried about their revenue or the hate towards smokers thats causing this. But clearly more research is needed before spouting out some of the bull.... that's around like in this article...

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[retired1]

Air Force aims to curtail electronic cigarette use - Bullseye

So i'm in the reserves. I used to smoke. I quit by smoking e-cigs/VPs. I started trying to use these indoors and was told i had to use them in the smoking areas. Not much i could do. But when i asked where it stated in the regs that i couldn't use e-cigs i was brushed off. So i'm constantly looking for this mysterious regulation that continues to elude me. I ran across this article and it was interesting...ly frustrating read. Read it, skim it, let me know what you think.

If you happen to know of any army regulations that state i cant use my e-cig i'd be greatful so i can stop sitting outside with smokers blowing cig smoke in my face. I kind of feel like if i cant smoke my ecig why should other be allowed to chew their nicotine gum?! -.-

AFI 40-102

2.1. The Air Force is committed to providing an environment that does not encourage or facilitate initiation or continued use of tobacco. The Air Force discourages the use of all tobacco products. Tobacco use damages personal health and detracts from unit mission readiness. Tobacco use by Airmen reflects poorly on professional image/appearance. Tobacco includes, but is not limited to, cigars, cigarettes, electronic-cigarettes ("e-cigarettes"), stem pipes, water pipes, hookahs, and smokeless products that are chewed, dipped, or sniffed.

Looking for the Army equivalent.

 

[Kanj.nguyen]

I would like to see a study on peoples intelligence. Im pretty sure its decreasing drastically.

 

[retired1]

Army Regulation 600-63 covers smoking for you ground pounders.

However, it does NOT specifically cover electronic cigarettes like the Air Force Instruction does.

7–2. Guidance for controlling tobacco use in DA controlled areas
a.Using tobacco products (to include cigarettes, cigars, cigarillos, smokeless tobacco, inhaled tobacco, and all other tobacco products designed for human consumption) harms readiness by impairing physical fitness and by increasing illness, absenteeism, premature death, and health care costs. Readiness will be enhanced by promoting the standard of a tobacco-free environment that supports abstinence from, and discourages the use of any tobacco product.

However, there may be installation or command specific supplements to that regulation that does explicitly cover electronic cigarettes.

 

[retired1]

I would like to see a study on peoples intelligence. Im pretty sure its decreasing drastically.

This is the type of reply that gives e-cig opponents their ammunition whenever legislation or regulations are put into place. Come on people, the arguments need to be voiced in a logical and non-confrontational manner. Counter the arguments with facts, not BS. We get enough of that already from those who take flawed studies and use them as the gospel to end electronic cigarette use.

 

[Kanj.nguyen]

... Right. And how would my comment be used against ecigs? "ecig users were reported as calling us stupid. This is unacceptable"?

Logical arguments have been voiced. Studies shown. Researches conducted. Facts have been there since the genesis of ecigs. If people are stupid i call them stupid.

 

[retired1]

... Right. And how would my comment be used against ecigs? "ecig users were reported as calling us stupid. This is unacceptable"?

Your comment just fuels the suspicions that we're not organized or able to coherently argue the facts. By insulting those who have an agenda against electronic cigarette use, you no longer have a voice as any argument is ignored.

 

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AFI 40-102

Looking for the Army equivalent.

i believe http://www.bamberg.army.mil/dpw/housing/documents/06-AR 600-63, Smoking Reg.pdf is the AR for tobacco use. and understandable... although i dont know why they feel the need to regulate chewing tobacco. Regardless i've yet to see anything mentioned about E-cigs/vapor. just a bunch of uppity reservists trying to impose the man on the little guy *fist pump*

and yes.. the article is absurd. that's why it frustrated me so much. i think they just said a bunch of thoughts they had over a bowl of whole grain cereal one morning.. and submitted it.

 

[retired1]

Unfortunately, unless the Medical Command starts viewing e-cigs as a NRT device (Nicotine Replacement Therapy), it will be hard to get things changed. Arguments will have to be presented at the command level, not base level, so those that make policy are getting the facts.

 

[tj99959]

Yours is not to reason why ........

You signed a contract when you joined, end of story.

Members of my family have served in the US military continuously since 1775, including myself (Vietnam),and my daughter is an AF MSgt at this time. So I understand both sides of this one quite well. Perhaps the person(s) writing the article can be taken to task for their lack of knowledge, but I assure you that the days of getting a small pack of cigarettes in your C-rations are long past. Only natural that the AF would extend the same regs to cover e-cigs that it applies to smoking. Bottom line, it's all about military bearing. You can't walk around with your jacket unzipped either.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

“Nicotine is as addictive as ....... or ......,” said Mrs. Laura Weart, 99th Aerospace Medicine Squadron Health and Wellness Center director. “Tobacco companies know this and are trying to find ways to keep its customers fixated on their product.”
It's obvious has she NO experience and/ or very little knowledge/ hands on experience in the realm of addiction. Her lack of compassion is quite sad and disgusting.

And of course who's behind this move and are the prime educators in relation to Mrs. Laura Weart's biased view...
"The HAWC provides two programs to help Nellis and Creech Airmen cease tobacco use. The first works in conjunction with the American Lung Association."

 

[Fludrby]

I am waiting for a Lava Tank , and the snail mail is just that! Snail Mail? I so wish we could get email packages lol

 

[Kanj.nguyen]

Your comment just fuels the suspicions that we're not organized or able to coherently argue the facts. By insulting those who have an agenda against electronic cigarette use, you no longer have a voice as any argument is ignored.

Like i said, facts have been and are still being argued. Organizations such as CASAA have been formed and are still fighting.

Yes, i have a voice as long as i have a coherent arguement and the authority to be heard. Einstein called the entire human race stupid; you dont see people ignoring his arguments do you?

Thus, it does not matter whether or not i throw out insults: if i can be heard, i have a voice and my argument is significant. If i cannot be heard, then what i say, including insults, do not matter to start with.

Also, my comment does not provide any kind of "ammunition" you speak of to those against ecigs. How do they even use it, might i ask?

And, not that a comment on a forum is likely to be used in a debate, but well-timed insults and ridicules are a legitimate debating tool.

 

[Fludrby]

So what bugs me is the fact we have quit smoking and the subject us to the second hand smoke! Coz we have personal Vaping devices! Well I feel like if it is a PVD then we could vape anywhere ! This is just crazy. You know why they do this? Because some ignorant politician has said there was carcinogens in the vapor! Is there anywhere we can get a Dr. To state, or prove them different ?

 

[mkbilbo]

I kind of feel like if i cant smoke my ecig why should other be allowed to chew their nicotine gum?! -.-

Because a corporation makes a profit off chewable cigarettes (aka "nicotine gum").

And isn't that what matters?

 

[mkbilbo]

“Nicotine is as addictive as ....... or ......,” said Mrs. Laura Weart, 99th Aerospace Medicine Squadron Health and Wellness Center director. “Tobacco companies know this and are trying to find ways to keep its customers fixated on their product.”
It's obvious has she NO experience and/ or very little knowledge/ hands on experience in the realm of addiction. Her lack of compassion is quite sad and disgusting.

And of course who's behind this move and are the prime educators in relation to Mrs. Laura Weart's biased view...
"The HAWC provides two programs to help Nellis and Creech Airmen cease tobacco use. The first works in conjunction with the American Lung Association."

Bet they'd be happy to get you some Chantix.

Anybody else noticed a big increase in Pfizer's advertising recently? Right about the time they're settling around 2700 lawsuits over Chantix at that...

 

[Kanj.nguyen]

Thats why i say people are getting stupid: those who make the statements have many reasons to make them, regardless of whether or not they actually believe them; many agendas are in play, so you cannot judge them. In fact, they may be quite smart.

The ones i call stupid are those who listen: when you hear something, it is entirely your choice to believe it right away or to be skeptical about it until you do your own research and form your own opinions. It is your own personal belief and has no external agendas. So if you believe something without a second thought, where does that come from? Stupidity.

If your opponent is stupidity itself, then logics or facts no longer work: it is a game of media and politics now. I learnt that the hard way as both a student and a teacher, at *super prestigious* University, no less.