This article kind of bugs me... A LOT really...military restricts ecig use -.-

[Robino1]

I hate when you see these kinds of arguments. When it boils down to it I suppose you could take a couple of routes.

1. Risk getting thrown out until somebody shows you 'law' stating you cannot use E-cigs inside by refusing to stop, then when they do push it further by fighting to have coffee banned from being consumed inside, stop them from boiling water inside etc.

2. Only tote in areas where you won't get caught and stealth smoke the rest of the time.

Unfortunately, smoking has such a stigma attached to it that people will go apesh!t just at the sight of you putting your hand to your mouth and seeing 'smoke' as you exhale.

I plan to follow number 1 in shopping centres for example and #2 at my place of work it's all about weighing up risk I suppose :\

P.s. The article you show is filled with so much stupidity and propaganda:

"Even though e-cigarettes don’t contain a majority of the chemicals found in regular cigarettes, they do contain chemicals that are equally, if not more harmful to those who inhale them. These chemicals include diethylene glycol, a component of antifreeze that’s toxic to humans and is banned in food and drugs, and nitrosamine, which is a radioactive substance known to cause cancer" needs citing

"This program lasts as long as the user needs it[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]" - I'm going to be need this 'support system' for the rest of my life...[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I really don't know if it's the tobacco companies worried about their revenue or the hate towards smokers thats causing this. But clearly more research is needed before spouting out some of the bull.... that's around like in this article...

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Um, did no one catch this? E-cigs do not use this product. It's Propylene glycol, which is FDA approved for ingestion and in inhalers in the medical community.

 

[Robino1]

Ah, what? Who's doing Nic testing for employment?

More and more hospitals are testing for nicotine and will not hire if it is found in the system. Other places are jumping on the band wagon as insurance companies are giving rate breaks if you don't use tobacco products.

Very slowly and insidiously rights are being taken away under the guise of being in your best interest since you aren't looking out for them yourselves. (The use of the word you and yourself are being used as collectively, not stating You as the individual)

It would seem that it could be argued successfully in court, since smoking nor tobacco use is against the law, but who is willing to invest the time or money that would entail? Isn't that discrimination?

If I had the cash......

 

[AuBadge]

Things sure have changed. I'm an AF vet, and during my 6-year enlistment I recall buying many cartons of inexpensive tax-free cigarettes at the commissary with the AF's blessing. While stationed in Japan, I only paid $3.00 a carton! Smoking (and drinking) was as much a part of military culture as the salute. While I sympathize with the OP for wishing to vape away from cigarette smokers, no one has been drafted into the military for decades. Everyone in it wants to be in it, and that means playing by their rules. Are some rules seemingly unfair, arbitrary, and ridiculous? Nope... a LOT of them are . I'd just try to stay up-wind, and vape with the smokers.

 

[nev99]

Um, did no one catch this? E-cigs do not use this product. It's Propylene glycol, which is FDA approved for ingestion and in inhalers in the medical community.

yeah i did, but it's from that FDA study that was disproved, but once it was published and so many places have already quoted it it just keeps being repeated. It refuses to DIE. I remember reading somewhere that even the FDA admitted that the study was not quite scientific. but i cant find the source any more.. if anyone knows it i would like to get it. I'm trying to get a list of these things together.

 

[tj99959]

Interesting

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[MonkInsane]

Interesting

Got the same when trying to post a comment, guess they don't want anyone correcting their bad science - IF you can call any part of that article scienctific.

 

[Targetlock]

I'm also in the service (Army) and I'm aware of the same policy. All ecigs must be used in designated smoking areas.

The electronic cigarette issue isn't an actual regulation as it is a command policy for the installation/post/facility. Here's an example of what one may look like and remember that it's a policy, not a regulation.

http://www.metc.mil/Documents/METCOI_40-1_Tobacco_ Use_Policy.pdf

 

[nev99]

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Got the same when trying to post a comment, guess they don't want anyone correcting their bad science - IF you can call any part of that article scientific.

you know people, snail mail does still exist

a few hundred envelopes of information being delivered every time someone spouts something wrong or unsubstantiated as fact would maybe make them think...

 

[KerryK]

More and more hospitals are testing for nicotine and will not hire if it is found in the system. Other places are jumping on the band wagon as insurance companies are giving rate breaks if you don't use tobacco products.

Very slowly and insidiously rights are being taken away under the guise of being in your best interest since you aren't looking out for them yourselves. (The use of the word you and yourself are being used as collectively, not stating You as the individual)

It would seem that it could be argued successfully in court, since smoking nor tobacco use is against the law, but who is willing to invest the time or money that would entail? Isn't that discrimination?

If I had the cash......

I'm sorry but these are the facts:

Thirty states and the District of Columbia have made it illegal for employers to make employment decisions based on off-duty smoking. Two states — California and Connecticut — prohibit discrimination on the basis of all legal behavior.

While the American Civil Liberties Union is opposed to nicotine-free hiring policies, Ohio’s “employment at will” laws prevent the organization from doing anything about it, said Mike Brickner, a spokesman for the ACLU in Ohio.

Not hiring smokers is discriminatory, say groups | www.daytondailynews.com

Ohio seems to be the problem...

 

[Mountain_Rain96]

Topic:

This doesn't surprise me one bit. I was in the Air Force from 1982-1992, and even THEN they were waaaaayyyyyyy too uptight about smoking. True story: One time we were expecting the Inspector General team to arrive at our base at any moment. Myself, and 2 other people were outside our Squadron Headquarters, again, outside, mind you, smoking, when the freakin Wing Commander himself comes pulling up in the parking lot beside us in his staff car, and orders us to put out our cigarettes. He was a real (fill in the blank) about it, too. Told us he didn't want us "embarassing" him. That was the first, last, and ONLY time I was ever tempted to slap the taste out of an officer's mouth.

 

[Robino1]

I'm sorry but these are the facts:

Thirty states and the District of Columbia have made it illegal for employers to make employment decisions based on off-duty smoking. Two states — California and Connecticut — prohibit discrimination on the basis of all legal behavior.

While the American Civil Liberties Union is opposed to nicotine-free hiring policies, Ohio’s “employment at will” laws prevent the organization from doing anything about it, said Mike Brickner, a spokesman for the ACLU in Ohio.

Not hiring smokers is discriminatory, say groups | www.daytondailynews.com

Ohio seems to be the problem...

Since Ohio has gotten away with it, more states will jump on the bandwagon and get the same legislation passed.

Edit: The article sickens me. Where will they go next? If your overweight will they say that is a health risk and not hire? If the person is over a certain age the health care rate goes up so anyone over a certain age can be denied employment? Holy CRAP! <------insert strongest swear word.

The more I read and learn, the worse it all feels. How do we fight?

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Since Ohio has gotten away with it, more states will jump on the bandwagon and get the same legislation passed.

Yep the FDA failed in its bid to stop the Ecig industry so now we have individual States and Municipalities passing Laws and ByLaws. It's part of the FDA's present anti Ecig effort to line up all their ducks/ having the backing of States with preventive measures before they fully regulate the industry.

 

[Robino1]

Yep the FDA failed in its bid to stop the Ecig industry so now we have individual States and Municipalities passing Laws and ByLaws. It's part of the FDA's present anti Ecig effort to line up all their ducks/ having the backing of States with preventive measures before they fully regulate the industry.

I've long since understood what is going on. Are we even able to fight everyone? I'm soooo trying hard at not getting discouraged, but man, it's tough some days. I know that's what the ANTZ are doing. I know that they think they will tire us out and we will just give up. I'm trying so very hard not to, damn some days are tougher than others.

I'm appealing to those that haven't joined CASAA to do so. PLEASE! We need more people in this fight, the more voices we have, the better chance we have.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I've long since understood what is going on. Are we even able to fight everyone? I'm soooo trying hard at not getting discouraged, but man, it's tough some days. I know that's what the ANTZ are doing. I know that they think they will tire us out and we will just give up. I'm trying so very hard not to, damn some days are tougher than others.

I'm appealing to those that haven't joined CASAA to do so. PLEASE! We need more people in this fight, the more voices we have, the better chance we have.

I only wish that Vendors would step up to the plate and be more active as a group en masse. Imagine if they all donated 10% of their revs to go towards studies, lawyers...heck maybe even a Lobbyist group.
Problem is the main antz groups are motivated by the most powerful of stimulation...$$$$$. BP= Big Bux. All these "non profit" anti smoking orgs= Big Bux and no business or fat cat salaries if no one's becoming ill from smoke related diseases. Really quite disgusting that these companies and orgs are supposed to be promoting the health of the Public...in reality it's just a $$ ride with their own personal financial needs trumping the true wants and needs of the Public. I've volunteered with many non profits and I believe these anti smoking orgs are NOT fulfilling their mandate as is legally required.

Edit: Apologies to OP for getting OT and ranting but it just BOILS MY BLOOD.

 

[tj99959]

Since Ohio has gotten away with it, more states will jump on the bandwagon and get the same legislation passed.

Edit: The article sickens me. Where will they go next? If your overweight will they say that is a health risk and not hire? If the person is over a certain age the health care rate goes up so anyone over a certain age can be denied employment? Holy CRAP! <------insert strongest swear word.

The more I read and learn, the worse it all feels. How do we fight?

"Fat Boy" programs have existed in the Air Force for a long time, and it WILL get you discharged from the service! (fired)

What some are still failing to recognize is that the military is a different world, and what goes on in Ohio has no bearing on what goes on in the military.

 

[MrStik]

another person who isnt reading the original post. Anyways its clear you don't know what you're talking about. Saying the military is going to ban nicotine is like saying the military is going to ban alcohol consumption. Neither is plausible nor possible unless either is made illegal. I think you need to do more research on your legal rights before making such wild claims. The military doesn't set laws into affect - they just regulate them. and they cant regulate smoking more then creating a smoke area. which is all of about a unit commander is capable of doing to e-cig. At this point i'm just looking for one person capable of stating if they can find a regulation on ecigs pertaining to the ARMY. Tj99959 came to the same conclusion as myself... cant find a reg.

But my objective is NOT to fight against an added regulation. Those who are in the military know you cant take away from the rules, but you may ADD to them. As of right now i've been given the option to find more information, a present it to a superior. This isn't a challenge or fight and no is rising up against the man... its merely a good NCO providing a soldier an opportunity to earn a little less restriction... its not even a hot topic, because i basically get away with doing it in the comfort of my own spaces anyways. But i'd rather have my leaderships approval then ask for forgiveness in the event someone were to say something. How hard is that to understand?

There does not need to be a regulation if an order is in place not to. As a soldier, you are obligated to follow any order that does not put your life or safety at risk. I doubt not vaping at your desk is not putting you in any danger. You are acting like it is the end of the world not being able to vape at your desk. If you need to Vape, go take a walk (ya know.. that thing you did a lot of in Basic..) and vape. You will feel healthier getting away from your desk for a few. Be a good little soldier and do what you are told. You signed up for it.

As a former soldier, it bugs me when today's soldiers gripe about petty things.

 

[tj99959]

There does not need to be a regulation if an order is in place not to. As a soldier, you are obligated to follow any order that does not put your life or safety at risk. I doubt not vaping at your desk is not putting you in any danger. You are acting like it is the end of the world not being able to vape at your desk. If you need to Vape, go take a walk (ya know.. that thing you did a lot of in Basic..) and vape. You will feel healthier getting away from your desk for a few. Be a good little soldier and do what you are told. You signed up for it.

As a former soldier, it bugs me when today's soldiers gripe about petty things.

Sorry but that's a NO-NO. You can not "walk around" on base smoking/vaping. You can only smoke/vape in designated arias.
The rub is that many vapers do not want to be exposed to the second hand smoke in those designated arias. They either find it repulsive, or it mkes them want to go back to smoking.

 

[nev99]

Sorry but that's a NO-NO. You can not "walk around" on base smoking/vaping. You can only smoke/vape in designated arias.
The rub is that many vapers do not want to be exposed to the second hand smoke in those designated arias. They either find it repulsive, or it mkes them want to go back to smoking.

Yah i figured from the original post that you can't seem to be just able to stroll around and vape.

and if you/or other vapers in the military, are not getting anywhere with trying to get vaping restrictions lifted, have to thought of a different tactic? don't argue for unlimited vaping, but for separate vaping area (away from the smokers... far far away...) since second hand smoke is dangerous. The arguments are there for you. The dangers of second hand smoke are known, and the military is putting your health at risk by assigning you to the same area when you have personally done what can be done to eliminate those risks.

Not an ideal solution i know, but better then being in the smoking area.

 

[Dansauls]

never mind..........

 

[StormFinch]

Sorry but that's a NO-NO. You can not "walk around" on base smoking/vaping. You can only smoke/vape in designated arias.
The rub is that many vapers do not want to be exposed to the second hand smoke in those designated arias. They either find it repulsive, or it mkes them want to go back to smoking.

You can't walk around and use your cell phone while in uniform either, at least in the Air Force. They put a stop to that back around 08 or 09.

Let's face it, some of it has to do with the fact that they don't want you seen doing something that could be construed as "sullying" the uniform, and some of it has to do with the fact that they're a part of our government. They take their cues from the FDA and CDC, which are firmly in Pharma's pocket. They also like to study something to death before they allow it. Even regular enlisted personnel weren't allowed to get laser eye surgery for something like 10 years after it was approved for U.S. civilians. I believe flight crews still aren't allowed to have it done.