This article makes me sick...

[NoSoupfOu]

Claiming E-cigs are more harmful as real cigarettes....

http:// www. dailymail. co.uk/health/ article-2402108/E-cigarettes-harmful-cigarettes-cause-cancer-claims-study.html

The french that broke that they are trying to scare people back to Cigarettes for taxes?!?

 

[ScottP]

Why do I get the feeling that these are all Big T cigalikes?

 

[suspectK]

It will take decades before there can be a measure of harm from e-cigs. From the different flavors, different ratios of VG, PG, and H20, and I'm sure Power levels delivering the liquid will play a factor into what happens when the molecules are inhaled. I just don't concern myself with pharmaceutical and tobacco related studies. Money tends to cause a lot of case studies to lean a certain direction.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

so where are the links to the report they claim have carcinogenic chemicals in them?

Why does this "article" read like a blog post?

Oh it's in the news now...its "da gospel truf!"

bonjour

 

[Glen Snyder]

C'mom, you can't take this seriously. I can't even find the National Consumers Institute with a Google search.

 

[dr g]

Unfortunately this article is getting big play, especially the Daily Mail's irresponsible headline.

 

[Glen Snyder]

OK, One of my Brit admins on Facebook just answered me in private chat. Direct copy and paste, only her last name removed for privacy reasons.


Glen Snyder
Lindsay, you around? Is the Mail Online a serious publication or a scandal sheet?


Lindsay xxxx
Hi Glen. It's not quite a scandal sheet, but very right wing. I would take whatever you read with a pinch of salt. Very much into panic mongering.

 

[dr g]

Yep, they are a staple of chain emails and facebook scares. But they do get around, and, in this case, are not the originators of the story. The french study is pretty bad in and of itself since it is being used to justify bad policy.

 

[Spazmelda]

Glen- here's the Institut National de la Consommation, I think. It's hard to make any sense of this report without being able to see what exactly they did (what were their research methods?).

 

[Glen Snyder]

Glen- here's the Institut National de la Consommation, I think. It's hard to make any sense of this report without being able to see what exactly they did (what were their research methods?).

Health - September 2013
Not so harmless, the electronic cigarette!
Electronic cigarettes may emit potentially carcinogenic compounds in significant quantities. This is revealed by our analysis, conducted by a unique protocol. The results of this study invite, at least, a more stringent of these products are all the rage control.

This file is available by purchasing the digital version of No. 485 of 60 million consumers (September 2013). Subscribers can download the PDF of the article from September 15, after identified.


Now, IMHO this is an opportunity for CASSA to debunk publicly. It's time to start playing the game by the established rules of engagement. That is, you spout BS, you get discredited on multiple levels.

 

[tanzmitpalmer]

Aye I was gonna say, the Daily Mail is not known anywhere as a reputable news source. Just something to get irritated by. Though I wouldn't doubt that someone would conveniently gloss over the source to say "look! look! this proves my point!"

 

[Orb Skewer]

One of the 'dodgy' components they may have found would have been Acrolein*.
Very easy to produce in a laboratory-
Some vendors make spurious and ludicrous claims that their product (cartos) are 'equivelent to 20-40 cigarettes'
How they get this figure and are allowed to make these claims is by using a 'puff counter'-a piece of electro mechanical lab equipment to replace the 'traditional' smoking Beagles.
These machines count the amount of puffs from a carto-until they are dry,
well before the 'claimed' 20-40 cigarettes count of equivelent puffs has been reached these cartos will no doubt be too hot to touch and will be emitting high levels of Acrolein, Formaldehyde and other nasties produced by the scorching of the PG/VG and the poly filling.

I have often wondered if the people attracted to sh**-O-Likes (Novices) believe the 'hype' and attempt to make one pre filled carto last 2 whole days (for a PAD former smoker)-there will be countless out there who are dumb enough.

More about Acrolein* here
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...erine-vapor-acrolein-issues.html#post10381885

Anyhow-just a little 'curve-ball' -back to the French 'study'
L'article de Grand merde !

 

[ScottP]

Unless whomever made those ecigs purposefully put those chemicals in the prefilled cartos then there is NO WAY they got those results. The flavorings, PG and VG are things ALREADY found in our food. If they were contaminated with formaldehyde or acrolein then we have MUCH bigger problems than ecigs. If they were not contaminated then there is no way vaping creates those chemicals from the ingredients.

So either they managed to uncover a plot to purposefully make prefilled ecigs bad and possibly more addictive the way analogs are OR the whole thing is a flat out lie.

 

[retired1]

Already posted in the Media forum (where news links should be posted). Continue the discussion in this thread please.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/460453-what-heck-french-ecigs.html