Throat Hit / What mg Cart / E-Liquid's

[dave_101]

First just wanted to say what a great forum this is and thanks to everyone that contributes, would feel rather lost if I didn’t have a place like this to read and ask questions.

I recently bought a greensmoke kit just to get started, did some reading and started to get a little much and if I kept reading and didn’t just buy something to start with I think I would have procrastinated longer and longer, so I just went for what was easy and quick to get here in Australia which at the time was the GreenSmoke.

I received it just the other day and first impressions were not bad, apart from one of the batteries being faulty, but soon after I found myself not getting what I was looking for and came onto this forum to do some reading and have a couple of questions I hope you experts can help me with.

First question is about the mg strength of the carts. I normally smoke Peter Stuyvesant Filer analogues which I believe are 12mg cigs, so I went and got the Greensmoke 12mg carts, I have found after having a vaping session with them I do feel somewhat satisfied but not completely, not long after I feel like a cigarette or vape again, I was wondering if I may have gone for to lower a mg cart, I did some reading on the forums and noticed some people suggest to go a little higher like 18mg for example, even seen some people on 28mg / 32mg etc. If a smoker was used to smoking what is meant to be a 12mg cig, would I be better off trying something like the 18mg or higher for vaping to get that satisfied feeling?

Second big thing for me with analogues is the throat hit, once again I did some more reading on here and people seem to suggest the higher mg carts tend to give more of a throat hit, would going from a 12mg cart to 18mg or 24mg cart alone make a big difference to the throat hit?

I got the variety pack from Greensmoke and out of interest tried the menthol, I was really surprised to feel that did give a much better throat hit than any of the other carts and felt much more like a real cigarette throat hit, so I guess what I am looking for is that kind of throat hit but without the menthol flavour, not sure if that’s possible but any advice on that would be great.

Lastly I am starting to think I am going to have to try a supplier for e-liquids etc, I saw I can get empty carts for the GreenSmoke, e9 I think they are and could use e-liquids from other suppliers, do you think this would work for me taking into consideration what I am looking for above, or should I move onto a completely different PV system?

Greensmoke seem to just do plain PG and no VG carts, should I also look at trying a PG / VG mix to maybe get a little more of what I am looking for? Also not sure if you can do this on the forums, but would love to know peoples preferred stores for quality e-liquids.

Sorry for the long winded message, just trying to gather as much information as I can without having to make multiple posts.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

There really isn't a direct correlation between the nicotine levels when smoking and when vaping. If you aren't feeling satisfied after vaping and are still having analog cravings, then you probably need to increase your nic level. You can buy your own juice and refill the cartos yourself. Doing this will give you more options for PG/VG mixes, nicotine level and flavors.

The nicotine level combined with using more PG in your juice can increase throat hit. You'll just have to experiment with this to find what will work best for you.

I started with Green Smoke and I was very unhappy with them. I ordered a Riva kit and returned the GS for a refund. I've been a happy vaper ever since.

 

[dormouse]

You might need higher nicotine or your might just need more satisfying juice. My craving isn't satisfied well unless I have some TH (and at some times I want more than some) and a comforting familiar flavor. For me that also has to be a flavor that leaves me feeling I smoked, not ate. So I need tobacco flavors. Some others don't. I tried a bunch of juices (way too many since I bought silly flavors too and spent hundreds of dollars on juices) but I finally figured out I gravitate toward Turkish blends - Camel-alikes, Desert Ship, Dekang DK-TAB (though I add other stuff to it for interest), and gonna try Dark Vapure. And one of my main vapes is Backwoods brew Casablanca. But I would call them all maybe medium TH except for the Dekang which is higher but not super high.

If you want some killer TH and huge clouds of vapor, try some Avejuice ejuices - I tried their famous Boba's Bounty (sort of a mystery favor with a kick) and I was very impressed, When someone needs all VG due to allergies or whatever, and wants TH, Avejuice is one of the best places to go. I usually vape 70pg/30vg or 80pg/20vg juices but was curious about Boba's. That Boba's Bounty, even though it is all VG (normally low TH) left my throat with burny tingling. Fun juice to have around for when you need it.

If you need more TH than that, then maybe some of the various Red Hots, Cinnabomb (?) juices as well at Death Juice (forget who that's from) and that one seems to have ridiculous TH from videos. I don't know if having that much TH all the time is good for you but if nothing else, you could mix them into juices that don't have enough kick for you.

Assuming what you have is a 2-piece Greensmoke
It is an E9 and some compatible rebrands are listed here - maybe you'll find some more interetsing cartos too
http://anyecig.info/2010/03/electric-cigarette-compatibility-guide/
According to this it is also the same or compatible with as KR808D-1 (a decent model if you like cartos)
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/67534-duo-pro-kr808d-1-greensmoke.html

What I don't know if whether the your batteries are really KR8 batteries and deliver the same voltage or some kind of weaker compatible batteries. I have no idea if a real KR8 or Vapor4Life battery would be better for you. Re KR8 standard and xl batteries are good batteries. I think the manuals give better control of your hit. Some others prefer the autos. But maybe's it's not the unit for you. Maybe you need a more powerful PV. But it's probably worth trying some other cartos just to see if it makes a difference for you.

Some people like cartos and some like carts. I found the filled cartos at Vapor4Life.com to have pretty good TH, flavor and vapor delivery thought heir Premium cartos are too hot on my lips (supposedly more TH too). I prefer the Coolcarts. I don't know what their PG/VG mix is but it did seem like a mix?

 

[dave_101]

Thank you both for such quick replies, I am just about to head out for NYE dinner, it's 5:00pm 31st over here in AU right now.

Will log back in tomorrow and have a good read of your posts again and am sure will have a couple of questions. But from both of your replies I think I will be trying a higher mg liquid for sure, just to rule in or out that being an issue, also going to try some of the recommended juices and seeing if that helps.

Only thing I am not to sure about is if I should get some e9 carts and try the juices in that, or if I should get another system all togeather. Do either of you think there will be a big difference between me trying some juices with an e9 cart with my GS battery and something like a 510 or other system?

I am not to worried about getting another system, just wondering if I would still be able to get a feel for it all using the greensmoke battery and some empty e9 carts rather than having to do a bit of reading and trying to pick another setup.

Thanks again for the quick replys, will be seeing you in the new year.

 

[dormouse]

haha - it's 3:30AM here. I better get to bed!

I don't really think 510 has more TH than KR808D-1, but I also don't know if Greensmoke might be weaker than my KR808D-1.

A basic 510 has fairly short battery life too - about the same as the shortest KR808D-1 battery. I don't know what size your battery is, If your Greensmoke is 100mm with carto attached then it's a shorty battery. if 110mm then standard battery. And I think with xl battery would be about 126mm. So if your Greensmoke is 110mm long or longer, then it probably has longer charge life than a 510.

I don't know. A lot of people here are happy with their 510-based Egos and Rivas (510 upper parts w/ a fat long-lasting battery and tapered cowl). I think you could use the same atty and carts with a 510 battery if you wanted something cigarette shape too (but they need a different charger).

If you're in Australia, did you check the Australia forum here to see if anyone lives near you? (you'll need 5 posts/replies in New Members and and hour or so wait before you can post to the whole forum). maybe there is someone near you that would let you try their PVs so you could see what you like?

In general, I think if you can afford it, it certainly doesn't hurt to try a few models. That's why I have 3 already. As a former ultralights smoker I am happy with my 401 so I only bought minimal kits of 510 and KR808D-1 to try (1 battery kits) so you don't need to sink a lot of money into trying other options. Then if you prefer the new unit, buy more batteries etc. if you don't, you could give it to a friend or keep it as a spare.

It's certainly a different experience vaping with atty and carts versus cartos. I like being able to mix in the cart easily to change up my tobacco flavor a bit. i can add a drop or two of another flavor or a higher TH juice etc.

 

[dave_101]

dormouse, thanks so much mate for giving me such detailed replies, you have pretty much helped me work out what I am going to do.

I think the biggest problem for me atm is the greensmoke 12mg carts just don't have enough Nic for me, so I am going to grab some blank e9 carts and buy a few different liquids from the places you mentioned and give that a shot first, think I will try the 24mg liquids and see if that does the trick.

Also think I will look into trying a couple of other systems, real smokes here in AU cost a bloody fortune and the money I would save from vaping would be huge and allow me to try some other systems / liquids etc, will give some of the three piece systems a go and see if I like any of them better than the two piece setups like the GS, but first thing I will do is give some e-liquids a go with higher mg. It sounds crazy but a packet of 25 cigs here in AU is now worth $17USD a pack, they raised the taxes on them recently.

I was playing around with the GS after I made the posts and found a way to get a TH with their Absolute Tobacco 12mg, sounds a bit stupid but it does work, you drag slowly for the first couple of seconds then for the next couple of seconds drag normally and just before you inhale unscrew the battery just enough to make a rush of air pass through the sides, this method pretty much gives a TH every time on this cart. Does not seem to work on the Coffee flavour cart at all though.

Thanks again for the replies man, will be using them as a reference for finding the liquids and stuff, really hope the 24mg does the trick I think that’s really more of my problem than the TH at this point and after smoking the GS more and more over the past couple of days.

Happy new year.

 

[mlinky]

Happy New Year and welcome! You have already gotten great advice, and I agree with upping the nic. My personal journey started with not giving up cigs until I went higher nic.