TIME magazine says: E-cigarettes do not help people quit smoking..

[JeremyR]

Yeah chantix makes you suicidal, much better alternative..... We live in a messed up world.

 

[rolygate]

Is there anywhere to officially register that a person has actually stopped smoking because of the e-cigs? ...I certainly have and it only took a few weeks of gradually cutting down ...happened almost by accident too!

I understand that CASAA have a testimonials project that you can contribute to.

This is a useful resource because it refutes the general propaganda produced by the tobacco control industry, which says that ecigs don't work for smoking cessation.

According to the CDC, you are just an 'anecdote'. There are millions and millions of anecdotes Get yourself an Anecdote T-shirt - maybe use my design below -

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[LoveVanilla]

We all need to be filling the "comment" sections of these propaganda stories with truths. These falsehoods must NOT go unchallenged. If others see only these falsehoods without challenge, then mentally they have little choice but to accept them as truth. Additionally, if such media sources are continuously challenge on the voracity of such articles, they will be forced to consider other truths -- or accept their mantle of propaganda outlet.

DON'T TAKE THESE FALSEHOOD SITTING DOWN. ACT NOW!!!

 

[iowajosh]

I suppose it depends on your definition of "quit smoking". If quitting smoking equals the end of inhaling tar, smoke and the associated carcinogens, then vaping = quitting smoking. If quitting smoking equals ending the inhalation of anything other than "pure, unadulterated air" then vaping obviously doesn't fit that definition. Personally, I have quit smoking by vaping. Then I quit vaping... It only took nearly three years to get to that point, but I'm done nonetheless. Sure... I realize my story is only anecdotal, but if it weren't for e-cigs, I know I'd still be smoking analogs. Plus one to the "e-cigs help people quit smoking" column regardless of how you choose to define it.

I think that is it., If you had to take a drug every day to not smoke and it was effective, they would call it a victory. If you continue to vape, they consider you still smoking in their opinion. I think that is what is going on.

 

[zoiDman]

TIME magazine says: E-cigarettes do not help people quit smoking..

Every Time and Article like this is Published, the Author and his/her Editor should be Bombarded with e-Mails from people telling their Success Stories.

 

[Beretta]

To say that it is far from safe is disingenuous, imo. So far, the research says it is a much safer alternative to smoking. Many studies have been done, thus far, proving this. The safest method is no cigs and no vaping, but to say vaping is far from safe is only fueling the fires of the likes of the FDA and ANTZ.

What he is saying is that 10 year studies are being done. We cannot put unknown substances into our bodies without some type of effect, bad or good. After those 10 year studies are done, we will have more concrete information to make our judgements on.

I personally think vaping is safer than smoking, but that's just an uninformed opinion of mine, until more information comes out.

 

[LoveVanilla]

Is there anywhere to officially register that a person has actually stopped smoking because of the e-cigs? ...I certainly have and it only took a few weeks of gradually cutting down ...happened almost by accident too!

Yes, these are being collected on the CASAA website -- and necessary to prevent the FDA from forcing us back into the dungeons of Big Tobacco. Here is the link, E-cigarette User Testimonials

 

[Pictor]

I understand that CASAA have a testimonials project that you can contribute to.

This is a useful resource because it refutes the general propaganda produced by the tobacco control industry, which says that ecigs don't work for smoking cessation.

According to the CDC, you are just an 'anecdote'. There are millions and millions of anecdotes Get yourself an Anecdote T-shirt - maybe use my design below -

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Thank you - ....'anecdote'! what a cheek!

(can't see the attachment/T-shirt)

Yes, these are being collected on the CASAA website -- and necessary to prevent the FDA from forcing us back into the dungeons of Big Tobacco. Here is the link, E-cigarette User Testimonials

Thank you!

 

[Exchaner]

Double post; deleted

 

[Exchaner]

After those 10 year studies are done, we will have more concrete information to make our judgements on.

Hmmm, How to stay safe in the meantime ....

 

[glassgal]

I went looking for this Time Article. It doesn't exist. Where did you say you saw it? Link?

Here's a search of the term "E-cigarette" on Time: e cigarette TIME Magazine - Search Results

Other than reporting on the FDA, and not selling ecigs to minors, the only thing that might mention e-cigs not helping smokers quit is this one:
The Future of Smoking
By Eliza Gray Sep 30, 2013

That was 7 months ago. Nothing except FDA and minor laws after that, and before that:
E-Cigarettes as Effective as Nicotine Patches in Smoking Cessation
By Alexandra Sifferlin Sep 07, 2013

Can you name the article and give a link?

 

[Midniteoyl]

I went looking for this Time Article. It doesn't exist. Where did you say you saw it? Link?

Here's a search of the term "E-cigarette" on Time: e cigarette TIME Magazine - Search Results

Other than reporting on the FDA, and not selling ecigs to minors, the only thing that might mention e-cigs not helping smokers quit is this one:
The Future of Smoking
By Eliza Gray Sep 30, 2013

That was 7 months ago. Nothing except FDA and minor laws after that, and before that:
E-Cigarettes as Effective as Nicotine Patches in Smoking Cessation
By Alexandra Sifferlin Sep 07, 2013

Can you name the article and give a link?

First link in Google.. E-Cigarettes Do Not Help People Quit Smoking, Study Says - TIME

 

[glassgal]

Thanks. Amazing that Google works better than Time's own search.

 

[Exchaner]

First link in Google.. E-Cigarettes Do Not Help People Quit Smoking, Study Says - TIME

I wonder who paid for the study as reported by Time. It seems highly unusual and somewhat suspect that these so called experts/authors could not find ONE subject out of nearly a thousand who successfully switched to vaping - not even part-time.... Statistically improbable. I personally know several people, myself included, who have successfully switched. As the old saying goes, you can get an expert to say anything you want, as long as you pay the fee. What a corrupt system !!

 

[glassgal]

The entire forum is full of people who switched. There's tens of thousands registered here. Go figure.

 

[Exchaner]

I am usually not skeptical of the media, But the way Time handled this report they seem to have an agenda - not unlike Fox News who always has an agenda.

 

[Racehorse]

So I was looking through my news feeds on my phone when I saw this tagline from TIME magazine that reads: "Study: E-Cigarettes Do Not Help People Quit Smoking“. I read the article, and was at a complete loss for words. It infuriated me. Between the size of the group they used, and the little information given on the actual experiment that was done, I don't even understand how an article like this can be published. I'm sick of the fear mongering being done by the government and the media. People read these tag lines, skim over the article and take it as fact instead of speculation, and do not know the actual facts. There was so much misinformation and intentionally vague, undetailed information on the study that I don't get how these people can even be allowed to do these studies.

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There seems to be a conclusion that some of you jump to and I'd like to point it out.

That is assuming that people believe everything that gets published.

People are inundated every day by gobs of information in the age of internet. They've become accustomed to the realization that a good percentage of it is not true. If it is a topic that interests them, they look into it further.

I say this because I meet people all the time, strangers, who come up to me and say "is that one of those ecigarettes?" and I say "yes, it is" and they say "I never smoked but I think it's great that you've gotten off cigarettes" or similar stuff.

I am always suprrised when this happens, so I also ask them why they don't have a negative opinion of ecigs given so much bad publicity about them and well, they just don't take it in I guess. Sometimes I get shrugs, sometimes they admit they don't know enough about it to draw a conclusion.

While I think it has become very *fashionable* to say what idiots and fools and rubes "people" are, my experience with every day people is that they are NOT stupid. Not at all.

Of course, that belies my general attitude anyway. I do tend to expect the best from people until or unless they show me wrong. There's no reason not to start out that way though, is there? I've noticed with people, esp. children and even animals, if you expect the worst, you tend to get exactly that.

I was at the racetrack last week and an 80 year old lady walked up to me, asked me about what it was, then said "good for you!", smiled, and walked away.

I dunno why my experience with vaping has been mostly entirely positive. I've vaped everywhere I go for amost 2 years now and not once have i encountered anything bad. I'm not denying it's out there though...it just never happens to *me*.

I would categorize the general response I recieve as *curiosity*. Most of the time I am writing down this forum address or handing out a business card from a vendor, lots of people seem to know or have someone in their family they want to help.

Most people seem to have an ability to discern propaganda from reality. I guess I just tend to have a good opinion about the man in the street, but based on my experiences with people it just seems to bear out. :shrugs:

 

[glassgal]

Your experience is very much affected by the area you live in. I'm in Florida and the vast majority of people don't mind ecigs... indoors, outdoors, wherever... because there's still a lot of smokers here. I vape in restaurants and not one person looks. They get it.

You go to NYC, where cigs are nearly $10 a pack, and people are non-smokers or quitters. You light up a cig and you must be a ...... or a drug dealer. The anti-smoking there has gotten so pervasive, and cigs so expensive that you may as well be pulling out a crack pipe. It is not accepted most places you go there. At all. And that's why NYC has laws against vaping too. They don't get it, they don't smoke.

Few years ago, I drove through North Carolina, stopped for breakfast and everyone in the Denny's was smoking. Inside the restaurant. Not long ago. States that grow tobacco never made indoor smoking illegal. They smoke everywhere and probably still do in a lot of southern towns in tobacco states.

You can't base human intolerance (of cigs) on your own area's lack of intolerance. Even within states, perspectives can be different.

 

[Steamix]

Pretty obvious trap - as soon as the first vendor or manfuacturer pipes up : 'snap'
Making a therapeutic claim, are we now. Does we have had it tested as a medical product ?

Seems the fish didn't go for the bait in the smaller rags, so let's dangle one big TIME ... musta cost 'em a mint to get the once reputable paper like that to follow the siren song of journalism with a monetary spin. Guess www. weighing heavy on the paper.

Shows hat 'secondary' information is becoming increasingly important. Not just what's being said, but also by who and why.

 

[glassgal]

It's worse than that... the story Time quoted was originally in JAMA... the American Medical Journal. So Reuters picked it up too if you search. Writers/Researchers all need funding. They are as subject to money as politicians.

Hate to say it, but if Casaa wants to be taken seriously, they need to be paying article writers too... editorials, opinion pieces, and reporters if possible.