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Tinitus

Discussion in 'Health, Safety and Vaping' started by Dlpsr, Jan 5, 2020.

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  1. Dlpsr

    Dlpsr Senior Member

    Dec 15, 2019
    Pennsylvania
    Like many I searched up on the site, I have it my left ear. However, my hearing is damaged over the years from noisy work and loud firearms and lack of PPE use.

    Since August this year, stress has been present. Smoked a boatload of medium to heavy cigars, fell into Kool longs for about 13 packs and bought a vape.

    It's kind of known pg can exasterbate ringing, so can nic I'm told.

    I'm addition, in November I got a bad case of bronchitis and sinusitis at the same time. Both can affect the tubes in the ears.

    The meds the Dr gave me can also cause ringing.

    At least for a couple months now I'm smoke free again.

    Mostly waiting to see if the ringing calms down. Definitely quiets overnight, and picks up on vaping in the morn and then all day.

    Using 70-30 saltnic 50, but a 100 short puffs or less daily.

    I'm trying some white noise apps to my Bluetooth headphones as a relief. It's not terrible yet, but annoying.

    Going to cut the nic power with mixes and look at higher vg I guess. I'm told tinitus is a symptom of other ear problems and doesn't cause deafness.

    Dave

    We shall see I guess.
     
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  2. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    NE FL
    I think most people get it to some degree as we age. Mine pretty much went away when I switched from smoking to vaping, but has since returned. It's worse some days than others.

    To an extent, it can probably be attributed to the guns, the lawnmowers, the motorcycles, and the airplane I owned for a number of years. "If I'd known I was gonna live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself!" ;)
     
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  3. r77r7r

    r77r7r ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2011
    Pa,LandOfTaxes
    And there are multiple filters out there, blue noise, pink, etc. I usually notice mine most when someone posts about it :).

    Airpods would be nice if I could also hear outside sounds I suppose. Mine hasn't change since I started vaping.
     
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  4. Dlpsr

    Dlpsr Senior Member

    Dec 15, 2019
    Pennsylvania
    Same here, same reasons, though I wore a helmet on the Harley.
     
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  5. vaper1960

    vaper1960 Vaping Master

    Apr 24, 2019
    California, US
    Don't have any specific advice but it could be aggravated by the nicotine. 50 mg is very high. Nic does constrict blood vessels and add to that high BP. Try to lower your nic level (and caffeine can make it worse) I know... easy to say. I tend to give good advice but don't always listen to my own advice.
     
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  6. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    NE FL
    I've always worn a helmet. I never had a Harley, but it's still pretty noisy inside a helmet on a rice burner once you get up to 100 mph or so. :sneaky:
     
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  7. Jebbn

    Jebbn Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2018
    Quarantine
    I gigged loudly and regularly for a large portion of my life.
    Part of my gift to the punters was helping them to develop their own personal tinnitus. Im a sharing kinda guy.
    Ive dealt with it for along time. Heavy nic use, heavy caffeine use, heavy sugar use, diving, playing in the waves, running and exercise among other things exacerbate it.
    My aim for a while has been to just accept it, ignore it and move on. It seems to be working better than anything else Ive tried.
     
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  8. Ryedan

    Ryedan ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 31, 2012
    Ontario, Canada
    I'm 62 and have had tinnitus in both ears since my late teens. It is sometimes better and sometimes worse, but it never goes away completely. It's never bothered me and has never become so bad that it affects my hearing real sounds. As a matter of fact, my hearing is still so good I sometimes feel like I could hear a pin drop at the other end of the house :cool:

    A friend from work a while back had tinnitus and it drove him crazy. I used to say 'just ignore it', and he would give me his 'are you nuts ... you seriously expect me to ignore this!!' look. Everyone is different :D

    IMO, if you've had it checked out by your doc and there is nothing physically wrong, don't sweat it.
     
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  9. NCC

    NCC Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 14, 2010
    Fla Panhandle, USA
    I worked around loud machinery for 25 years and wore headphones as a DJ for 17-years before that. Although hearing protection was recommended around the machinery, it wasn't required and I didn't use it as I should've.
    I don't know how common this is, but my tinnitus started full-blown and very suddenly, like turning on a fan. I was sitting in a quiet room at the computer one night and, BAM! Not there at all the day before and has never gone away completely, although it's worse at times than others. Started 10-15 years ago and I've learned to ignore it most of the time. I know different cases are more severe and harder to ignore.
    I'm 66 now. This info about the effects of nicotine and caffine are new to me. I used to drink coffee all day, but I'm down to 1-2 cups in the morning now.
     
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  10. Jebbn

    Jebbn Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2018
    Quarantine
    regarding the caffeine etc, I was listing things that if "I" over do "I" experience an increased level of internal ringing. I dont know if everyone experiences it the same.
     
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  11. NCC

    NCC Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 14, 2010
    Fla Panhandle, USA
    Gotcha. But, I wasn't denying the possibility. Just saying I hadn't heard of it.
     
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  12. Dlpsr

    Dlpsr Senior Member

    Dec 15, 2019
    Pennsylvania
    Same age here and similar work environment as you. Plastic factories and 38 years in machine tools. I've gone on the low carb kick, lost about 31 pounds so far, drink a couple 3 coffees per day, no bread or little, no outside sugar or desserts. Eating healthier.

    My BP fell from 140 to 122, triglycerides dropped from 476 to 186. Feel great. Glucose is on the edge of the border, but not diabetes.

    Had a small heart attack in my late forties from heridity and stress. Smoked cigs for 30 plus years, quit for 20, hit the stogies every few years intermittently. This year stress pushed me past stogies and back to cigs. Knew they'd kill me, so vaping.

    I enjoy it. I'll work thru the tinitus. It's not so bad, but annoying.

    Dave
     
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  13. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 30, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    I have heard tinnitus is the suck. I am glad I do not have it. I do have some opioid induced deafness (just like Rush Limbaugh as it happens LOL.) It's kind of annoying, it's just with a lot of background noise (like a busy event) I have a hard time picking out what I am supposed to hear.

    Unlike Rush I did not go totally deaf, which is fortunate I am not sure I could afford cochlear implants. Normal hearing aids would make me want to just, well, die.

    Protect your ears people! LOL the first concert I took my mom to, (American Idol as it so happens she was SO CUTE.) She got floor seats, like the second row. I brought ear plugs and she was like, "Oh, I am sure those won't be needed."

    All her prior concert experience had been like at the Kennedy Center. I was like, "Oh mom, you will thank me later."

    She was also indignant that everyone got up to cheer and stuff. It was LITERALLY my favorite concert of all time. Yes. Going to an American Idol concert WITH my elderly mommy second row. Heh. On the other side, was a rather large teen. She had mad love for the winner and I could feel her anxiety building and she cried during his solo. I DESPERATELY wanted to say, "Oh, honey, he is so far out of your league, it's like you are in TOTALLY different sports, find a nice boy your own age." I didn't though.

    Anna
     
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  14. debinnv

    debinnv Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 22, 2013
    Island Of Misfit Toys
    mine came on all of a sudden about 7 or so years ago. Worse at night when there is no background noise. I notice it more then. Some nights are real bad and others not so much. My doctor suggested Vinpocetine 90mg at night with dinner. It has helped. I would say it has reduced it maybe 30% ( I'll take it ) I only take 60mg as it gets a little costly. Amazon used to sell it but they stopped. Let me see if I can find the link where I get mine. I am on my tablet right now and don't have all my bookmarks. I mean it might be worth a shot. Give me a bit to see if I can find it. Okay it is a place called welikevitamins and now I am not seeing it in their list. dang it I'm on my last bottle too. They were the only ones I could find that had them in 30mg per capsule. Well, time for me to start searching. That and I will email them tomorrow. YMMV it may not do a thing for you. I only know it does help a little for me. I can tell a difference if I forget to take it for a few days. And I do! lol my memory is garbage.
     
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  15. debinnv

    debinnv Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 22, 2013
    Island Of Misfit Toys
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  16. Dlpsr

    Dlpsr Senior Member

    Dec 15, 2019
    Pennsylvania
    I'll check this out. Do you happen to know any success stories about lipo flavonoids? They claim to reduce ear ringing as well or money back etc. Available at Walmart and similar places. I looked at a box today but need to research it better first.

    Yes, night is the worst, I sleep in the living room now on a recliner and use the TV as background noise.

    I also downloaded an app for my earphones that plays white noise from the Play store. Haven't tried it yet.

    Something is definitely plaguing my sinuses and Eustachian tubes. Vaping brings up the ringing more persistently.
    The bronchitis is mostly gone, but the sinusitis is persistent and exacerbated by vape, I'm almost certain. Almost. Better than cigarettes, they'll definitely kill me quickly. Good luck with yours and take care.

    Dave
     
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  17. debinnv

    debinnv Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 22, 2013
    Island Of Misfit Toys
    I'm sorry, it sucks for sure. I have a little background noise machine. I personally like the running brook sound. They did respond to my email and the link I gave for the ebay is the one they gave me also. Says that's the only place you can get it now. if you do 2 pills at dinner that bottle will last you 3 months so that's not a bad price. You may get better results with 3 you will have to play with it. I researched vinpocetine and did not find anything negative about it. Other than don't take it when pregnant. Don't think either of us need to worry about that! :) Never really checked out the lipo flavonoids but have heard it can help. Yes, vaping is so much healthier. My doc says my lungs are nice and clear and I have 100% oxygen in my blood! He said that some people, even those that never smoked have 100% I'm blessed
     
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  18. Dlpsr

    Dlpsr Senior Member

    Dec 15, 2019
    Pennsylvania
    I looked up Vinpocetine and lipo fla
    I'll add a however to my previous post. I picked up acute bronchitis and sinusitis about a month and half ago. Bad.

    My ear wasn't ringing until the Dr. treated those two things with levofloxacin antibiotics. Just so happens that drug can screw you up all kinds of ways and....cause tinitus.

    So maybe vaping only seems to make mine worse, or adds to it, now that it's there, but might not have caused it. Can't be sure yet. I'll keep folks posted. I already had hearing loss, so...
     
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  19. Dlpsr

    Dlpsr Senior Member

    Dec 15, 2019
    Pennsylvania
    I am becoming more convinced as I research this that the antibiotics the Dr gave me caused the ringing to start. Levofloxacin. Horror stories of all kinds from nerve damage, tinitus, to deafness, exploding tendons etc.

    This is the stuff they should have banned.

    It's moderately ototoxic. Some get tinitus, or worse and some don't. I won't rule out breathing stuff into my lungs and sinuses doesn't aggravate, but my belief now is levofloxacin is the culprit and cause.
    There wasn't any ringing before the drug and I was vaping before the drug.

    Dave
     
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  20. Eskie

    Eskie ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 6, 2016
    NY
    The problem with the family of drugs of that type, floxins, was they were quite effective antibiotics for severe infections. Thanks to overprescribing, there are now lots of bacteria that are resistant to them. If they hadn't been so widely handed out, we would still have them for severe infections. But they were marketed and pushed by the drug companies and we lost an entire class of antibiotic. Floxins are not alone in having severe side effects, some of the oldest drugs had side effects including hearing loss and required careful dosing and blood tests to assure safe use. But again, those were reserved for life threatening infections, not routine sinusitis type illnesses (unless like a super bad infection eroding towards your brain, but then you're hopefully in the hospital getting IV antibiotics, not outpatient treatment).

    Vinpocetine is a weird drug that somehow snuck in under the the supplements rules of the FDA. It does have real side effects like lowering blood pressure, not terrific if you're already on blood pressure pills, and interacts as a mild blood thinner, not good if you're already on blood thinners for other medical problems. Not saying it can't be effective for tinnitus, but I'd check with your doctor and a list of any medicines you take before taking it, believing it's just some sort of safe herbal remedy.
     
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