To the devil with this Insomnia/Anorexia

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Kirssstens

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So its official, I gave up Analogs and am a fulltime vapor for one month now. But now I have insomnia. At 1:00 a.m. I'm wide awake and feeling good when before my eyes were shut by 10:30/11:00. Haven't had any other side effects such as headaches or nausea, just don't fall asleep.

And, could it be, I'm actually losing weight? Any smoker knows, we can sometimes be already on the thin side but are any of you vaping instead of eating?

Anyone experiencing this or have any tips or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Insomnia and anorexia are a poor tradeoff.

Many thanks friend.
 

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Hi Kirssstens, you didn't mention the level of nicotine that you're using. Some people choose to lower their nic level in the evenings to decrease the insomnia. Decreased nic may also help with your appetite. I lost a few pounds the first month or so of vaping, but my weight stabilized after the newness and excitement of the flavors wore off.

Congratulations on your first month!
 

bluebottle7

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CES is absolutely right- nicotine is a stimulant and as such you need to be careful with it. Part of the insomnia / weight loss may also be due to mental anxiety from 'quitting'. Even though you're still getting nicotine from vaping, some people may (and often do) subconsciously use smoking as an outlet for stress. Your subconscious still may not see vaping as such an outlet. As similar as the two are, you KNOW that vaping isn't smoking. I'd recommend exercising and/or any other stress-relieving activity as well as possibly looking into taking 1-3 mg of melatonin (it wouldn't hurt to check w/ your doc, but it is generally accepted as very safe) within an hour of going to bed. Insomnia sucks- it's worse than getting the flu, IMO. Good luck.
 

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I've had problems with insomnia too but wasn't sure if it was switching to the e-cig or the fact that I have an autoimmune disease that effects my thyroid. I have cycled between sleeping a lot and insomnia for most of my life. Mine is starting to go away, but I couldn't tell you if this is because I've slowed down my vaping, or because my doc is currently messing with my medication since my numbers were off the last time I went in.

If you think about it, our bodies are going to react differently to e-cigs because we are now getting our nicotine without smothering ourselves with carbon monoxide and other nasty chemicals. It would make sense that with tobacco cigarettes there is sort of a balancing effect. Although the nicotine is stimulating your system, carbon monoxide causes sleepiness, so you might not notice the stimulant effect quite as much.

People have also mentioned sleep disturbances with the patches. Not only can insomnia be a problem, but also vivid dreams and frequent episodes of waking during the night.

As to weight loss, studies have shown that nicotine combines with several neurotransmitters that control appetite, so you don't feel as hungry using it. Even mice who were taken off IV nicotine showed similar weight gain to humans who had quit smoking. In fact, I've seen it stated a number of times that hunger and nicotine withdrawal can be easily confused. I also wonder if there isn't something to the hand to mouth thing though. It's just so much easier to vape an e-cig or light a cigarette than go to the kitchen and rummage around for something to eat.

Anyway, the point of all my rambling is that I think the others are giving good advice in that either dropping your nic levels or slowing down how much you vape at night would help the insomnia. As to the weight loss issues, a permanent drop in nic levels might help. You might also try to eat a small amount of something rather than picking up your e-cig when you start feeling the urge to vape, to see if you might actually be hungry instead of nicotine deprived. Or, you could try to keep your vaping closer to a smoking schedule. I know personally I had to stop myself from getting into the habit of having my e-cig with me wherever I was at the moment because I tend to pick it up and vape without realizing I'm doing it. Of course I did the same thing with cigarettes which is why I instituted my own "smoking area". :p:)
 

Kirssstens

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Thank you all who answered, really great advice. The lucid dreams, the frequent waking, the wide eyed in the early am's have really put the damper on the joy of being a non-smoker. But I guess nothing's perfect. I am using 18 mg juice and I'll try all of your suggestions and give it a few more weeks cause I'm sure I'm just vaping too much. No way will I ever go back to the analogs.

take care, friends
 

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Kirs,

Have you tried loading a cartridge up with a doubler (0-nicotine e-liquid) and vaping that for an hour or two before bed? I'm brand new, but am about to do just that. I plan on marking it so I don't confuse it with the "real" carts, but it will let me vape for that last stretch before bed and should help with the frequent waking.

If you don't have any doublers, they sell them for $15 for 40z (120mL) at Tasty Vapor.
 

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I take sleeping meds so I sleep like a baby. Nicotine is a stimulant, so if you're vaping too much it will keep you up. You can pick up some melatonin at any vitamin store or walmart to take for awhile which could help.

If anything, I have gained weight since I started vaping. All the tasty flavors make me hungry. But it could also be because of winter, dunno. Good luck
 
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