Tobacco Ban Goes Too Far

[Vocalek]

Smoke free at NIC - Coeur d'Alene Press: Local News

The headline reads "Smoke free at NIC"

But the story tells us that they are banning cigarettes, cigars, cigarillos, electronic cigarettes, pipes or hookahs. The use of smokeless tobacco products - dip, chew, snuff, snu - will also be prohibited.

One commenter seemed extremely mis-informed, so I felt compelled (stop me before I comment again!) to produce the facts.

 

[sqirl1]

thats how my ....ing college is. no smokeless tobacco or anything. I think vaping is ok, but in St. Louis County in general, places that ban smoking also ban smokeless tobacco. my work bans smokeless tobacco and e-cigs, and if you get caught so much as stepping out of your car with a lit cigarette you get one warning and you're fired if you do it again. although I sneek snus and dissolvables, how the hell are they going to figure out I'm using it? one time on my break I went into the bathroom and vaped while playing "Smoking in the Boys Room" on my ipod, it was great

 

[Vap0rJay]

...One commenter seemed extremely mis-informed, so I felt compelled (stop me before I comment again!) to produce the facts.

You can point the facts out that it is IMPOSSIBLE to live in a whale’s muscular stomach, in gastrointestinal acids, without oxygen, under thousands of tons of water pressure – for 3 days… Only to be spit out, on dry land a few days later… to go on about your business like it's no big thing.

But when facts are inconvenient to your world-view, people shrug the facts off. It’s Sad really.

 

[Demarko]

I can't even comment this, too many ...... ... Just... too many...

 

[TomCatt]

Hey D, they're mostly college students. I remember back at that age....I knew everything about everything....sigh...miss the certainty of that attitude

 

[stillalive]

How are they even going to enforce that? Are they also banning nicorette and nicotine patches, ffs?! I don't think they can forbid people to have tobacco products on them (since they might be walking to someplace offcampus to smoke! or vape...) and people could just go to the bathroom or their private dorm room to vape or do snus.

 

[sqirl1]

theres no way they'll be able to stop people from using smokeless tobacco. in face I think most of the staff who enforce it could probably give less of a .... about that so long as its spitless as well.

 

[Twinturbo4486]

thats how my ....ing college is. no smokeless tobacco or anything. I think vaping is ok, but in St. Louis County in general, places that ban smoking also ban smokeless tobacco. my work bans smokeless tobacco and e-cigs, and if you get caught so much as stepping out of your car with a lit cigarette you get one warning and you're fired if you do it again. although I sneek snus and dissolvables, how the hell are they going to figure out I'm using it? one time on my break I went into the bathroom and vaped while playing "Smoking in the Boys Room" on my ipod, it was great

Yea I know what you mean Squirl, I just moved back to Mississippi from St. Louis, Missouri. I lived in St. Charles County (St. Peters city) and it was the same way. I lived up there for 8 months but it didn't work out so I came back home...

As for the OP, poor kids... it's like it's High School all over again. I disagree with it personally... I might can understand smoking since it could harm others but smokeless tobacco? Electronic cigarettes? IMO, anything that isn't harmful to others shouldn't be banned. But then again it's a private campus so I understand they have the right to do it, I just don't agree with it.

 

[PaulB]

Hey D, they're mostly college students. I remember back at that age....I knew everything about everything....sigh...miss the certainty of that attitude

Not just college students, but college students who have lived their entire lives in Anti-smoking America, many of them probably so shielded by their parents that prior to college they had never met a smoker or even seen somebody smoke.

"Dad, how come we've never met our Grandma & Grandpa?"
"Shhh... And don't you ever mention them again. They're... smokers."

 

[kingcobra]

I can understand the smokeless tobacco ban due to the need to spit This is absolutely ridicuous though, I think the Nazis allowed more than this in concentration camps. There's no job worth being ...... on like this.

 

[JustJulie]

I can understand the smokeless tobacco ban due to the need to spit This is absolutely ridicuous though, I think the Nazis allowed more than this in concentration camps. There's no job worth being ...... on like this.

You do realize, though, that the newer generation of smokeless products don't involve spitting, right? For example, neither snus nor dissolvables require spitting.

But even if spitting is involved, is that really such a big deal? Most folks I've encountered who use those types of products are pretty discrete and spit into a container. Doesn't bother me at all.

 

[Demarko]

You do realize, though, that the newer generation of smokeless products don't involve spitting, right? For example, neither snus nor dissolvables require spitting.

But even if spitting is involved, is that really such a big deal? Most folks I've encountered who use those types of products are pretty discrete and spit into a container. Doesn't bother me at all.

When I worked at the Home Depot, every now and then we'd find a bottle of someones chew spit they'd just left on a shelf somewhere. It was disgusting and unsanitary. Now, I don't blame the chew - but the rude people who would do such a thing!

 

[BenJammin]

Vote with your tuition. Any alumni out there? Let them know not to expect any further contributions from you or your business (no more student discounts either)! Parents, send your kids elsewhere!

 

[soulkeeper]

lol this reminds me of the air force, when your going though official professional military education all tobacco products are banned, and can receive a reprimand if your caught. They say that the reason behind it is because the airforce doesn’t want any mind altering drugs in your body to make sure you are able to understand the material to your fullest potential.

Pretty sure the guy who made that rule had no idea how nicotine works because the whole time all I could think about was having a smoke lol

 

[Vocalek]

Your're right about that, soulkeeper. The guy who made that rule knows nothing about the health effects of nicotine.

We certainly don't want our young men and women having their minds altered so that they concentrate, stay alert, pay attention, and remember things better. (sarcasm)

What started all this c*ap was the 1964 Surgeon General's report where he stated that nicotine was as addictive as ....... or ..... (verbotten drug names). Well, that got everyone who didn't know any better thinking that nicotine was just as intoxicating and impairing as those other drugs. Guess they have never stopped to consider that there is no law against Driving while Under the Influence of Nicotine. Guess it never occurred to them that when their co-workers go outside for a smoke break, they don't come back in stumbling around and slurring their words.

The guy who made the rule probably doesn't know his military history very well, either. Why do you think that they used to put cigarettes into the package of rations distributed to the troops during WWII and the Korean war? The military brass knew that nicotine kept soldiers alert. There was one big problems with the method used to deliver the nicotine. Think about this: Why is "three on a match" considered bad luck?

 

[Vocalek]

Just out of curiosity, what is the policy about use of medications such as Concerta or Straterra for those with ADHD? What is the policy about use of Nicorette lozenges, gum, or patch?

 

[MadmanMacguyver]

Anti smoking Nazis to the rescue...dolts...and how many people who read this googled three on a match...I'll make it easy for ya...soldiers, see, aim, shoot...

where is there a college campus they aren't considering a no smoking policy though...all the ones here I have heard of but the smokeless...well it is too far...

 

[Twinturbo4486]

To me it just seems like an easy way to shine some light on their school and make it seem like a great anti-tobacco establishment for anti-smoking rich parents to enroll their kids and pay a bunch of tuition money.

 

[soulkeeper]

Just out of curiosity, what is the policy about use of medications such as Concerta or Straterra for those with ADHD? What is the policy about use of Nicorette lozenges, gum, or patch?

mind altering medications depend heavily on your job, basically if you are working around anything that could kill you, or highly sensitive information then it's a big no no, you’re not going to be in trouble per say, but they will pull your security clearance and put you in a more risk free job, like handing out towels in the gym lol.

Nicotine replacement therapy is different though, they urge all that stuff to us all the time through their smoking cessation program. Since I’ve been in (6 years now) the Air force has been taking a more aggressive stance against anything tobacco related (they consider E-cig tobacco). Their ultimate goal is to get rid of it all together, and have already started phasing it out some time ago. About a year ago they banned smoking at almost all of the hospitals, and recently I keep seeing AFI's pop up all around at different bases that ban tobacco products at different work areas of the base.

they are not just putting in a rule saying no tobacco so everyone gets ...... at the same time, but rather pissing off small amounts slowly at a time for less of a reaction, I did have a chance to talk to a former chief master sergeant of the air force and he did say that he wouldn't be surprised if by 2014-15 that all tobacco products will be banned air force wide.

Anyway sorry for the Hijack of the thread lol, just sounded real similar to me what they are doing there at that campus.

 

[rothenbj]

It's pretty impressive that the military can afford to pass up on 20% of the possible recruits. I would suppose over time this could become an issue as less personnel are available for mission critical responses. Existing personnel may grow tired of continual deployment to cover shortages and find other employment. The military also isn't the safest work in the world.