Tobacco ban wafts into Amsterdam pot shops

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This isn't the stupidest thing I've ever heard of, but it's well up there in the top five.
That's saying something, I've seen a LOT of stupid things!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-06-26-amsterdam-tobacco_N.htm

AMSTERDAM - Starting next week, you'll still be able to legally smoke a joint in the famously relaxed coffee shops of Amsterdam - but for a cigarette, you'll have to step outside.
A tobacco ban that goes into effect Tuesday in the Netherlands has both tourists and shop owners, like, totally confused, man.
"It's crazy," says Jon Foster, 36, an American who owns the popular Grey Area coffee shop in the gentrified Jordaan area of central Amsterdam. "It seems totally illogical to have a business that specializes in smoking and you ban tobacco."
The new law prohibits smoking in bars, cafes, restaurants and clubs to protect people from secondhand tobacco smoke. It is similar to bans that have swept across Europe since Ireland made pubs smoke-free in 2004, as well as restrictions across the USA.
The contradiction here, however, is it extends to coffee shops in the Netherlands that are renowned since 1976 for letting people buy and smoke marijuana or hashish without being arrested.
Starting Tuesday, customers can still legally buy up to 5 grams of cannabis a day at a coffee shop and smoke it on the premises. But they cannot smoke a regular cigarette - or mix the pot with tobacco, as many Europeans prefer - without risk of being cited by Dutch health inspectors.
"I will have to ask, 'What's in that joint?' " says Ludo Bossaert, 49, owner of the Paradox, another well-known shop. "What's the difference if there's a little bit of tobacco in there? It's going to make it pretty difficult to enforce."
Saskia Hommes, a spokeswoman for the Dutch health ministry, acknowledges that banning tobacco smoking and allowing dope smoking may seem "a bit odd."
"Under our system, these are two different things," she says.
Amsterdam has 236 of the country's 720 coffee shops, says Mark Jacobsen, chairman of the Amsterdam Union of Coffee Shops.
Foster, from North Kingstown, R.I., who has lived here since 1996, predicts more people will take the cannabis home or outside to smoke it mixed with tobacco.
He worries that will ruin the "excellent social atmosphere" of his coffee shop, where neighbors, students and tourists come to drink coffee, smoke, chat and read. The cozy place is decorated with street signs, bumper stickers and signed photos of country singer Willie Nelson and actor Woody Harrelson, both marijuana advocates.
Others drop in for a quick purchase from a menu of more than a dozen varieties of cannabis that range in price from $13 a gram to $95 for 5 grams.
Michael Veling of the Cannabis Retailers Association, says there's a risk that more people could end up smoking cannabis on the streets if they don't want to smoke at home. In the long run, he predicts, the coffee shops will continue just fine.
"We get hundreds of thousands of Americans who come to our coffee house, and I've never seen an American smoke tobacco in my 30 years in the business," he says.
Pat Doherty, 54, a tourist from Wales, says he hopes the shops survive the ban: "It's all cool."
 

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Wait I just noticed this part:

Kibey said:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-06-26-amsterdam-tobacco_N.htm

AMSTERDAM - ..."I will have to ask, 'What's in that joint?' " says Ludo Bossaert, 49, owner of the Paradox, another well-known shop. "What's the difference if there's a little bit of tobacco in there? It's going to make it pretty difficult to enforce."

Is that "our" Ludo? :eek: :eek:

Nah, surely he'd have plugged The New Janty KISSBox!! (TM) (C) :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 

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hang on,ive visited amsterdam several times--just for the art galleries,architecture and museums,you understand......most tourists mix their pot with tobacco,cos otherwise its too strong for them to handle...and its technically illegal to smoke pot on the streets,its supposed to be confined to the coffee house premises-2 years ago my friend was severely balled by a cop for smoking a joint in the street in amsterdam,and given a warning-you can have possession of a small amount,but you cant flaunt it in public...so what are they thinking?

its illegal to smoke tobacco inside,and its technically illegal to smoke pot outside...

on my next visit,i expect to see a few more people crashed out in the gutters of the red light district... :lol:
 

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Leaford, I have inside information that Ruyan will soon announce development of The New Janty POTBox.

POTBox will appear to be a rolled joint, but will actually consist of a small battery, a 7-day atomizer and a mouthpiece shaped like a twisted cylinder end. It will use special E-Pot Liquid, in strengths from "smile" to "yo bro, where'd ya go?"

"I've been testing this for days," Ludo told investors Friday, "and I'm high on the POTBox. We're gonna create a buzz with this one. Our marketing motto? 'The grass is meaner in a POTBox.'"
 

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by TropicalBob on Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:35 am

Leaford, I have inside information that Ruyan will soon announce development of The New Janty POTBox.

POTBox will appear to be a rolled joint, but will actually consist of a small battery, a 7-day atomizer and a mouthpiece shaped like a twisted cylinder end. It will use special E-Pot Liquid, in strengths from "smile" to "yo bro, where'd ya go?"

"I've been testing this for days," Ludo told investors Friday, "and I'm high on the POTBox. We're gonna create a buzz with this one. Our marketing motto? 'The grass is meaner in a POTBox.'"

LOL

Careful TB - you may get a free trip to China to explain how to put this all together... :D Then you will be known as the one who helped invent the POTBox...
 

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well actually,dutch cannabis smokers have already tried to modify e-cigs to smoke pot...

im not sure if it was hash oil or cannabis essence or they stuck a lump of grass in or whatever,the details are sketchy..anyway,the atomiser wasnt up to the job,unsurprisingly-not enough heat,clogging etc etc,so it failed.

now it seems cannabis enthusiasts are working on grass flavours for e-cigs...not the hit mind you,just the flavour. :roll:
dont expect them to be for sale anytime soon...
 
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