Tobaccos and coils

[Aheadatime]

Has anybody had good experiences with tobaccos and coils? Mine seem to get gunked up with any tobacco I use. Admittedly, I've been heavy on the personal extracts and have used very few vendor tobaccos, but the problem seems widely known. I'm just curious as to whether it's just my personal extractions (and perhaps lack of proper filtration) or a common issue. Do tobacco concentrates generally gunk your coils? Does something as popular as Bobas (never tried it)?

 

[Turbo]

My DIY Hangsen RY-1 is the cleanest tobacco I've ever vaped. Tobacco is my ADV and been doing so four years this October.

 

[michaelsil1]

My DIY Hangsen RY-1 is the cleanest tobacco I've ever vaped. Tobacco is my ADV and been doing so four years this October.

This is very clean!

 

[dannyv45]

It seems to be worst with with fruits, sweets and creams. I don't really have problems with tobaccos. I also use rebuildable coils such as T3's so I don't get overly concerned about coils wearing out I just rebuild them. If you clean them regularly this will reduce the problem. This is a very handy device to clean coils.

The Plunger - MyFreedomSmokes.com

 

[gtbb]

That looks like a great device there Danny. Wish it was around when I needed it.

 

[dannyv45]

That looks like a great device there Danny. Wish it was around when I needed it.

It actually comes in handy all the time. It's all I use to clean my T3 coils.

 

[Aheadatime]

So its gotta be the filtration method I used then. Back to the drawing board.

 

[dannyv45]

I just made an extract and filtered it twice through a coffee filter then put the tobacco into a 30ml syringe with cotton and squeezed out the juice and then put the juice extract through the syringe and cotton again. It came out a very clear nice dark amber. I've been vaping that mix for 2 days not and the T3 coil is still like the day I started vaping.

 

[Aheadatime]

I did the same as you danny but didn't do the cotton ball method. The weird thing is that my liquid looks clear when put up to a window. There are no visible particles or anything like that, but any recipe I throw together ends up gunked within the first 5 mls or so.

 

[dannyv45]

Only thing I can think of is maybe it's the tobacco your using. I know many flavored pipe tobaccos have flavor additives that can reak havoc on coils.

 

[Aheadatime]

Since I used to roll my own cigs, I always had a cheap large bag of pipe tobacco on hand in case I ran out of the cig tobacco. I'm using the old cheap stuff laying around, which is ironically labeled "Ohm Pipe Tobacco". I guess since its such a cheap product, it could very well be filled with random flavor additives. I guess I'll have to move on to higher grade stuff.

 

[Turbo]

I just made an extract and filtered it twice through a coffee filter then put the tobacco into a 30ml syringe with cotton and squeezed out the juice and then put the juice extract through the syringe and cotton again. It came out a very clear nice dark amber. I've been vaping that mix for 2 days not and the T3 coil is still like the day I started vaping.

What kind are you using out of curiosity?

 

[SouthernBliss]

So its gotta be the filtration method I used then. Back to the drawing board.

Maybe, maybe not. I have read a fair bit out of the thread about natural tobacco from vendors and it sounds like only a couple are not hard on coils. I would suspect that some of them no matter how well they filter them due to heavy sugar content. If the tobacco you start with has been soaked in fruit juice or sprayed with sugar that is not going to filter out.

On the other hand a fairly "clean" tobacco shouldn't leave extra sugars to have to deal with and the ones I have done of those seem to not bother my atties that much. One was with american spirit and the other was snus. I didn't even take the snus out of the little packs so there was absolutely no filtration required. It is very dark and strong so very little is required. The american spirit was much lighter and clean with only a filtration through a coffee filter.

 

[dannyv45]

What kind are you using out of curiosity?

Golden harvest Rouseco silver which is a pipe tobacco blend made specifically for the DYI cigarette injectors. Can get it from

Golden Harvest Silver 6oz Pipe Tobacco - Smokers Outlet Online - Your source for make your own (roll your own or stuff your own) cigarette supplies: pipe tobacco, tubes, papers, machines, and accessories.

 

[VaporMizer]

It's not just sugary flavorings, some tobaccos have a lot of natural sugars. Here is an article that lists the relative sugar contents of tobacco by type and curing methods:

http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/tobacco-basics-nicotine-amp-sugar-content-curing-methods

Burley has the lowest sugar by type and fire cured has the least sugar by curing method, so:

"Fire-cured tobaccos like 'Dark-Fired Kentucky' and 'Green River Kentucky' have some of the highest nicotine and little to no sugars at all."

Note that a lot of times these would be sold in blends with high sugar varieties or sugary casing flavors, so you'd have to shop around for the unadulterated real deal.

 

[SouthernBliss]

Very good point VaporMizer!

 

[Aheadatime]

It's not just sugary flavorings, some tobaccos have a lot of natural sugars. Here is an article that lists the relative sugar contents of tobacco by type and curing methods:

Tobacco Basics - Nicotine & Sugar Content - Curing Methods :: Pipe Tobacco Discussion :: Pipe Smokers Forums

Burley has the lowest sugar by type and fire cured has the least sugar by curing method, so:

"Fire-cured tobaccos like 'Dark-Fired Kentucky' and 'Green River Kentucky' have some of the highest nicotine and little to no sugars at all."

Note that a lot of times these would be sold in blends with high sugar varieties or sugary casing flavors, so you'd have to shop around for the unadulterated real deal.

Great find, thank you.

 

[Aheadatime]

According to that article, Perique blends have the lowest amounts of sugars, yet its commonly known in the DIY world that Perique blends ruin coils fast. Does this mean we need to re-think what exactly it is that is ruining our attys/coils?

 

[VaporMizer]

According to that article, Perique blends have the lowest amounts of sugars, yet its commonly known in the DIY world that Perique blends ruin coils fast. Does this mean we need to re-think what exactly it is that is ruining our attys/coils?

Sugars are a biggie, but also non-volatile oils, tannins, etc. Anything that leaves a residue of any kind will build up on the coil.

Maybe I've got this bass-ackwards, but the way I read the list, it's showing Perique as higher in sugar than the others in that particular list ( "Highest nicotine, lowest sugars by TOBACCO type" ) by being placed last in that list.

That is then emphasised by the next list, "Highest nicotine, lowest sugars by CURING type", where the lowest sugar curing method (Fire Cured) is first on the list, and the last in that list is:

"Air-cured, Pressed / Fermented (That's not an official term, but I made it up to describe how Perique is processed.)"

Although fermentation would reduce sugars...Perique is only partially fermented, though....hmmmm...

Anyways, Perique is almost always blended with a high percentage of the highest sugar level Virginias (and/or Orientals). Many of the pipe blends that contain Perique are heavily cased with sugar, too. It would take some shopping around to find pure unsweetened Perique that is also not blended with Virginias or Orientals. Perique is considered unsmokable by itself and usually only makes up a small percentage of a blend. McClelland's Blending Perique might be one to try for extraction.

 

[dannyv45]

It's not just sugary flavorings, some tobaccos have a lot of natural sugars. Here is an article that lists the relative sugar contents of tobacco by type and curing methods:

Tobacco Basics - Nicotine & Sugar Content - Curing Methods :: Pipe Tobacco Discussion :: Pipe Smokers Forums

Burley has the lowest sugar by type and fire cured has the least sugar by curing method, so:

"Fire-cured tobaccos like 'Dark-Fired Kentucky' and 'Green River Kentucky' have some of the highest nicotine and little to no sugars at all."

Note that a lot of times these would be sold in blends with high sugar varieties or sugary casing flavors, so you'd have to shop around for the unadulterated real deal.

Great info thanks