Tossed out of bars any anyone?

[nickdutch]

doesnt it also depend on how much like a cigarette your PV looks like? If for instance your PV looked like an athsma inhaler then it would probably be more acceptable and you can tell the bouncers that this is a health product (which it is by some peoples definition).

Has anyone modified an atomiser and battery to look like an athsma inhaler?

Nick

 

[j4mmin42]

Sometimes, the worst part about any particular bar is the fact that they are almost exclusively owner-operated businesses, and if the owner is a control-freak, they tend to treat everyone with b*lls like crap(apparently, vaping in his establishment is what gives me cajones); this is why I can get away with vaping in the mall or at the grocery store, but for now, I can't vape in my favorite fri-night hangout Oh well, A few minutes up the road and I'm back in friendly territory, as my second-favorite place WELCOMES me to vape inside and spread the word about the benefits of quitting smoking. -j4mmin

 

[Superstargoddess]

I've had both experiences. I always tell the waiter, bartender or manager what the PV is, how it works and explain it and that it is only water vapor. Some establishments are fine with it. One place that wasn't actually did have a fairly good explanation as to why she did not want me to vape. She explaned she was afraid that smokers would think it was the real thing and want to light up and then she would be in the middle of explaining the difference and she didn't want to get into that. That does make sense to me. I hope the day comes that beside the "no smoking" sign on the door, there will be "vaping accepted" signs. But I figure that is a ways off.

Ah, I didn't think about that until you mentioned it. I guess that if you are smoking one, depending on what it looked like, someone across the bar may think that you are smoking a real one and actually light up a real one.

The one that I ordered has a blue led, so hopefully people won't mistake me for smoking something real just because they see the "smoke".

 

[drowningknot]

My cousin ran into this problem while out bowling. They asked him not to do it in their establishment. He explained what it was an everything and the guy understood but explained The way the law works here in ohio is that all it takes is someone to call in a complaint about smoking and a fine is issued, no investigation or proof needed. So if someone were to see you vaping from a distance all they need to do is call in and the establishment is screwed.

 

[sherid]

My cousin ran into this problem while out bowling. They asked him not to do it in their establishment. He explained what it was an everything and the guy understood but explained The way the law works here in ohio is that all it takes is someone to call in a complaint about smoking and a fine is issued, no investigation or proof needed. So if someone were to see you vaping from a distance all they need to do is call in and the establishment is screwed.

The law in Ohio does not work like that. Someone makes a call; the health department visits and if any signs of smoking are there when they visit, they send a violation letter. If there has been more than one violation and letter, the place is fined 100 the first time, then the fines slowly raise to a total of 2500. I have three friends who own bars and have decided to still allow smoking. They have all gotten more than one letter but no fines yet. If the HD visits and finds someone smoking, they cannot issue an on the spot fine. They have to report it also and then revisit. In Ohio, there are 88 counties. Thirty-seven counties have handed enforcement back to the state because the cost of enforcement is too high. The state has two enforcement officers to cover all 37 counties who no longer enforce the ban. Since its passage there have been almost 40,000 violations reported, including two health department offices. There have been far more than 40,000 violations since most people do not report. The smoking ban is highly unpopular among family owned businesses and private clubs which were supposed to be exempt according to the ballot language. SmokeFree changed that AFTER the ban was passed, and these people were furious. Even the Governor himself sued the state to reinstate the private club exemptions. He lost the case because SmokeFree is all powerful and appears to have more power in government than elected officials. The governor also disbanded the anti-smoking foundation after they attempted to transfer funds to DC headquarters when they learned that he was going to divert 240 million anti smoking funds to a jobs program. Anti smoking group funding no longer exists in Ohio because of this although the money is being held pending a court ruling. I DESPISE THE ANTI SMOKERS.

 

[sherid]

My cousin ran into this problem while out bowling. They asked him not to do it in their establishment. He explained what it was an everything and the guy understood but explained The way the law works here in ohio is that all it takes is someone to call in a complaint about smoking and a fine is issued, no investigation or proof needed. So if someone were to see you vaping from a distance all they need to do is call in and the establishment is screwed.

The place could be reported, but nothing would happen. Electronic cigarettes do not violate the Ohio smoking ban. I got that directly from the Ohio Board of Health in writing. E cigs do not contain tobacco, do not burn, and do not involve fire. Therefore, they are legal.

 

[sherid]

doesnt it also depend on how much like a cigarette your PV looks like? If for instance your PV looked like an athsma inhaler then it would probably be more acceptable and you can tell the bouncers that this is a health product (which it is by some peoples definition).

Has anyone modified an atomiser and battery to look like an athsma inhaler?

Nick

The way it looks has nothing to do with whether or not it violates smoking bans. If it has no tobacco and does not burn, it is not covered by smoking bans. The owner of the place, however, has the right to not allow it because it is his place. That is as it should be with smoking as well.

 

[VA Slim]

Haven't had an issue as yet in a bar or restaurant.....however, I do ask the bartender or waitress for permission after I lay my 901 on the bar or table. It may be a bit different for us ladies because we can use the colors and they don't exactly look like analogs. Pink and red are my choices for going out. Plus, I do not hold them the same as an analog. If people start to stare, I hold my hand over the led to show that it is not lit. I must say, more and more people have become aware of them, even before the FDA announcement.

But now, the announcement makes me feel like "Lucy, you got some splaining to do".

 

[Superstargoddess]

The way it looks has nothing to do with whether or not it violates smoking bans. If it has no tobacco and does not burn, it is not covered by smoking bans. The owner of the place, however, has the right to not allow it because it is his place. That is as it should be with smoking as well.

Right, I think that if you explain that it isn't covered under the smoking ban, that you may be able to use it. Though I think that if it was a bar that you weren't a regular to, you may want to carry a piece of paper that has the information siting an official source so that they don't think that you are trying to BS them.

 

[Fud]

At first I thought why blue and it might look like something out of Star Trek. Maybe it's so people wouldn't confuse a red LED for a real burning cig.

But then again if saw someone a few months ago sucking on something that emitted a Blue light I'd go WTF is that thing?

 

[sherid]

My daughter her friend and mother and I went on a long shopping expedition today and had lunch on the porch of a wannabe English pub restaurant. I asked if smoking was allowed out there, but NO it was not. The waiter explained that he was a smoker too and thought the whole thing insane. I asked about the e cig, but he was unaware. A few minutes later, he came back giggling. A guy at the bar inside was using a Dura. He was amazed that having never heard of them before, two people in one afternoon had asked the same question. It truly is getting more widespread and common.

 

[Webby]

Haven't had an issue as yet in a bar or restaurant.....however, I do ask the bartender or waitress for permission after I lay my 901 on the bar or table. It may be a bit different for us ladies because we can use the colors and they don't exactly look like analogs. Pink and red are my choices for going out. Plus, I do not hold them the same as an analog. If people start to stare, I hold my hand over the led to show that it is not lit. I must say, more and more people have become aware of them, even before the FDA announcement.

But now, the announcement makes me feel like "Lucy, you got some splaining to do".

I'm hip.

Most of our customers are long-time (20+ yr smoking) analog users who prefer to have e-cigs that don't stand out. Electric green PVs with purple LEDs turn these folks off and part of the appeal for them is NOT standing out in a crowd. We sell the most popular brands of analogs and leave the rest of the flavor market to JC and the other guys.

While I'm VERY careful to market them only as a "smoking alternative" my own research has shown that our base consists of about 40% people who are trying to beat the high cost of analogs, and 60% are people trying to quit smoking or at least cut down.

Sadly, I too have had far more 'splaining to do lately running interference on the FDA report and the media news bites than convincing bar owners that they aren't real cigs.

 

[Superstargoddess]

While I'm VERY careful to market them only as a "smoking alternative" my own research has shown that our base consists of about 40% people who are trying to beat the high cost of analogs, and 60% are people trying to quit smoking or at least cut down.

Yeah, I fit in the 40% there. I'm not as concerned about the health factor, guess it has to do with me only being almost 32 and in outstanding shape. I'm mostly concerned about how much analogs cost. And even with my PV, I plan on getting into as much DIY stuff to make it be even cheaper.

 

[pete_t]

Went to the bar few weeks ago, I asked from the bartender if I could
vape, he said sure, I know what that thing is, no smoke so that's cool.
Nobody said anything but i'm pretty sure that the looks I got was "what the f***, why he can smoke inside and no one says anything?"

And at the local pub I've got a permit to vape from monday to thursday, but not on the weekends because it might encourage others to light up in the pub. Works for me. And for notice, this is a small town at Finland, could be compared to any of those so called redneck-places at US.

 

[Turbolover]

Within a week of getting my first e-cig I went to a restaurant and had my case with my 401 on top of it at the table. I was showing it to my friend who is a long-term smoker and the waitress came over and told me that she had the same 401. I convinced my friend to give it a try inside since the waitress knew what it was. A few days later we went to a bar and my friend was explaining my e-cig to the bartender and the bartender told him that he didnt want me to vape inside since other customers might think I'm smoking and light up cigarettes. I've ordered a 901 that doesn't look quite like a cigarette so that might help. Depending on the weather I don't mind stepping outside to vape, now the only think that bothers me is all the smokers outside.

 

[DivaVaype]

I smoke my e-cig everywhere. So far I have not had a problem. Bars here welcome them. I am in Florida.

 

[DivaVaype]

Oh I did have an incident in Barnes and Noble, but cleared it up quickly.:thumb

 

[chainer3k]

I just can't wait to vape inside my dorm room and tell my house-manager to fudge off

 

[mp166]

My only two experiances in bars have been quite positive.

The owner of my local pub saw me using it, asked the relavant questions and within minutes had ordered a DSE 901 from the net. So i've no problems in there.

The other experiance was sitting outside a bar and someone asked me for a light !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SLDS181]

So a bunch of people have mentioned a sign or sticker for a bar that approves of PV use.... is there anyone here who could make a bar-size window sticker?

Here's the idea. Go to the place you enjoy being out at first, maybe a place you go to regularly, and go chat with the owner/manager. Come prepared with a nice printed pamphlet. It should include notice from your state that PV use does not violate any smoking ban. Leave them with the info. If they give the ok, give them an "Oh, by the way - I know a number of other people who use these, and many of them would like to go somewhere hassle-free. If you want, I could get you a sticker that shows this is owner approved, and I'm sure you'll get their business because of it. Let me know if you'd like one."

They shouldn't be charged for a sticker - if anyone here works in the industry, maybe they can get a number run off at a low price, and make them readily available for purchase.

Just a thought.