Transition Time

[brookj1986]

Yeah, the online sales thing scares me. I know there are some b & m stores near Schaumburg IL, but haven't been there. The couple I have been to are nice and have nice people, but they don't really seem to know much beyond starter setups... and their prices are exorbitant.

Overwhelming anxiety just struck me. Lol. Stupid FDA.

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[glowplug]

Here here glow! If that was a possibility, is be down to do so as well.

As I sit here ruminating I just am not able to see why it wouldn't work. I need a stay at home job with mom getting a bit more disabled. I can manage a small business fairly well and I am able to do deliveries (owned/operated and did a few deliveries for my own courier company for about 10 years). I doubt many folks know the Denver Metro area better! I would be willing to do a run to Colorado Springs once a week as well as the I-25 corridor north...perhaps as far as Cheyenne, WY.

I really think this could work. I would incorporate as an S corp so the FDA couldn't say that it was online sales between a company and an individual...contracts between corps help make it just a wee bit more lega. I could go on. It is a few years in the future but there doesn't seem to be any reason it would not work. Would have to wait to see how the FDA finally comes down on the industry to see for certain.

I appreciate your comments and I agree with your concerns. I am one of those who resists a lot of change and sit back, quietly watching to see how it will sort itself out. I hate to let my innate negativity spill over on anyone's dreams. This could be the best thing since sliced bread (I like unsliced bread). Clark has been looking out for our interests by making sure that NT will weather the FDA storm. I am distrustful of conglomerates and I don't like that he is a 'minority' shareholder but that doesn't mean that this situation won't be the exception to the rule and work out very well indeed.

 

[TheDishD]

*Ding Dong* Avon calling. I was going to joke about this but then I read about the door to door salesmen and got to thinking. I would become an independent distributor with all the accompanying benefits of said position, take orders, have the product shipped to my business entity and then make deliveries or have pick up hours. Deliveries would incur and extra charge. Hummmm....might just work without the B&M overhead and keep costs down for the consumers. This could go so many ways and eventually find a way to distribute legally without needing to stock a shelf and hope that it sells. Fresh product, minimal overhead therefore good prices.....

Would you do deliveries to Aus Glow? Like srsly pls pretty pls

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[TheDishD]

Yeah, the online sales thing scares me. I know there are some b & m stores near Schaumburg IL, but haven't been there. The couple I have been to are nice and have nice people, but they don't really seem to know much beyond starter setups... and their prices are exorbitant.

Overwhelming anxiety just struck me. Lol. Stupid FDA.

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I hear ya brook, for one i live on an island (pop 500,000) off the coast of mainland Australia, there is no such thing as a B&M store on my island, nearist one is plane trip away..the vaper population not only on my island but all of Aus is small..not enough for a chain of stores..also its against the Law to sell liquid with Nicotine here.

Srsly im goin to have to hit up one of the NT Fam for any NT juice order once online goes...offline..

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[Spooky28]

While I understand the sentiment and would LOVE to be able to purchase say a little sampler pack for a friend hoping to quit smoking cigarettes (verses a personal vaporizer) my gut reaction was please don't throw out juice! Someone may like it and that someone just might be a friend hoping to quit. I'm a great enabler this way. I've already had a handful of people who have seen me with my MVP and being SO curious and interested and really expressing a desire to quit that I've been able to put together a little starter kit with a decent EVOD, an extra coil and a baggie full of juices I wasn't liking enough to ever use. 3 have stopped smoking altogether and yes two are still struggling but each time they don't light up is a small victory in my eyes.

In fact I feel so strongly about this whole thing I'm starting to wonder how the heck I could fund something like this on a larger scale? Hmmmmm.

 

[TraceyS]

Must have skipped over the original post, eh? Just giving ya a hard time!

Nope didn't skip the reading, saw the eventually...what does that mean....? That at a certain point there will be no doodle and then eventually there will be doodle? That's all.

Tracey

 

[Mikeo]

I'm not known for being anything but blunt in the family threads so I suppose I'll continue it here:


Firstly I would like to congratulate you on the move and expansion of nicoticket. It's amazing what you have done in the year or so since I have found this family!


Secondly, I'm heavy hearted hearing it's going to a conglomerate organization that will be actually manufacturing the liquid. I'll admit while the family is the biggest draw for me, part of me was so proud of what you were able to mix with your own two hands and go look you want premium hand made liquid?! Here! And flip a small sample to a store or a person searching for the vape that sets them free of analogs. Now your going to machines and such and I'll admit while the flavors will stay more consistent and more readily available (for the time being until the FDA stuff happens with online sales), it will lose a lot of it's luster in the fact that I like the inconstancy just because I know a fellow human is on the other end of that bottle mixing and tweaking till it's just right. I like the fact that I know you guys made it, and bottled it, and labeled it, and sent it off to me.


This doesn't mean I'm not going to continue ordering from you as I will and always shall, as long as I'm able to, but I just tend to shy away from mass marketed stuff. That might be a hipster comment, but it's true in every aspect of my life, clothes, music, instruments, etc.




So without further ado, congrats Clark and Katy for being able to step up to the big time! It's a step you deserve and I hope to see you prosper!




All of these comments are just my personal feelings, and shouldn't be taken as anything more then that. Read them how you will, but it's just me.

Well put Medic

 

[xpl0it]

Nope didn't skip the reading, saw the eventually...what does that mean....? That at a certain point there will be no doodle and then eventually there will be doodle? That's all.

Tracey

We will be rolling these out incrementally as time allows with the intention of retaining them as long as there is sufficient support in the community for a specific flavor. If you want it to stick around, it has to sell… we will have to periodically review what moves and what doesn’t – that’s just the nature of this business. (We don’t sit on liquid that doesn’t sell).

Would qualify that it might be after the 1st of the year before we do another short-run... so if you like/love any of the above and it's presently available, grab it up!

It means that after January 1st, 2015 they will begin to roll out the SR's one at time with the intention of them becoming a permanent offering. However, should that particular SR not sell well enough they will have to make a business decision on whether to continue producing it.

Basically saying that if it's popular it will become a permanent offering on the website. If it's not it won't.

So for right now if there is a particular SR that you love it's a good time to grab as much as your wallet will allow as it may be a few months or more before they are revisited.

Hope that helps!

 

[TraceyS]

It means that after January 1st, 2015 they will begin to roll out the SR's one at time with the intention of them becoming a permanent offering. However, should that particular SR not sell well enough they will have to make a business decision on whether to continue producing it.

Basically saying that if it's popular it will become a permanent offering on the website. If it's not it won't.

So for right now if there is a particular SR that you love it's a good time to grab as much as your wallet will allow as it may be a few months or more before they are revisited.

Hope that helps!

So even though it is not a short run now, it could become one in the future?....looks like the doodle will be in that category. back to menthol?

Tracey

 

[fraychek]

Well, I haven't been around much due to a terrible, horrible no good, very bad day last week that left me with no power, internet, landline, TV and stovetop, some resolved, some not yet. Let me just say: tree . . . So I haven't read the entire thread.

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I'm happy you have all your ducks in a row, but I'm not surprised. You have a good head on your shoulders and a realistic view of the future. I'm delighted for you and happy to have been even a small part of the history of something that is positioning itself for a great leap forward.

That said, the still a bit grumpy (from the aforementioned terrible, horrible not to mention expensive) side of me is sad to say goodbye to my beloved PBC. (Reloaded is not the same and not better.) Still the rest of my favorites are still there, and that's a good thing, so huzzahs all around.

 

[Shellie]

I have one b&m here that I think is good. Only problem is the also sell tobacco. You have to around here just stay afloat. He says he tries to convert the smokers tho the other b&m is more... Um... Unorganized, yes that's how I'll put it.

 

[xpl0it]

So even though it is not a short run now, it could become one in the future?....looks like the doodle will be in that category. back to menthol?

Tracey

Yea, unfortunately it appears that it didn't make the final ten cut. I can only assume that it wasn't selling well enough and/or didn't receive enough community support to make the cut. Though that's just my assumption I'm sure Kent can elaborate more on the subject. I just live in this nut house.

 

[motabrownie]

Im not too stressed about what the FDA might do to nicotine sales. First off, Im confident they wont ban the sale of all liquid nicotine. If they do ban online sales, I think once the dust settles, there will be more and more B&M's popping up all over who will be forced to lower prices due to the competition down the street, not online competition like it is now. There will be chains of e-cig shops. There will inevitably be a Walmart of e-cigs (probably owned by Walmart). There will be NT juice in every store. Hopefully, there will be NT stores, owned by NT, or maybe independently owned. We're still in the early stages of this technology. Its 2014 and you can walk into specialty tobacco shops and buy paraphernalia for the 'other stuff' in states where its illegal. Somehow thats happening. So do you really think theyre capable of stopping us from figuring out ways to get around the regulations? Im confident we'll figure something out. We're smert and we're 'mericans!!!

 

[Sloth Tonight]

I'm not too worried about the FDA either - they haven't stopped me before (LOL). As long as the liquid is available somewhere somehow we'll be fine - I will personally be very inconvenienced by not being able to do business online, unless the ADKS get more (or...some) vape shops and sell NT liquid. Worst case scenario I may have to drive to Rochester or Syracuse or Burlington or something - and I don't mind driving a few hours for NT (especially if I could get it in Burlington--a drive through paradise and crossing a lake on a ferry to go into another paradise to buy paradisius juice? sounds like, uh, paradise--LOL)

 

[Claudia P]

I have a strong feeling from what I am reading in other places that by the time the government gets done all juice will be at least as expensive as cigarettes, but probably moreso once all of the taxes are added, if open systems are allowed at all.

Sadly the taxes are probably the only real hope we will have for being able to continue to purchase juice as governments are less likely to bad something they are making money from. As long as they get a LOT of tax money from the sales of tobacco they will side with that rather than something they don't get anything but sales tax from.

It's all about the money.

First off big congratz Brother and NT Krew, i was in the first 200 orders waay back when artwork was on the outside of the vape mail and now your going big time.. You have always said there would be big changes for NT and im glad they are working out brother
The final 10 awesome choices there, great to see radioactive making a come back!

Now couple of Q's.. Is the online store going to be online for sometime?...
Also if it does shut down and NT will be B&M based , will you have stores that ship international (and at a fair price)? Due to the fact that in Australia, juice with Nic can not be sold in stores/online. so no NT juice locally (Australia) i would have to source from US/UK retailers (who tend to have expensive flat rate international postal charges), these could mean it costs me as much for juice as a pack of smokes..

Anyway just my fears coming out brother Clark, again so happy and proud for you,Kathy and NT krew, huge well done!!

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[Kent Brooks]

First off big congratz Brother and NT Krew, i was in the first 200 orders waay back when artwork was on the outside of the vape mail and now your going big time.. You have always said there would be big changes for NT and im glad they are working out brother
The final 10 awesome choices there, great to see radioactive making a come back!

Now couple of Q's.. Is the online store going to be online for sometime?...
Also if it does shut down and NT will be B&M based , will you have stores that ship international (and at a fair price)? Due to the fact that in Australia, juice with Nic can not be sold in stores/online. so no NT juice locally (Australia) i would have to source from US/UK retailers (who tend to have expensive flat rate international postal charges), these could mean it costs me as much for juice as a pack of smokes..

Anyway just my fears coming out brother Clark, again so happy and proud for you,Kathy and NT krew, huge well done!!

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Thank you for the words of encouragement and the support Dishy!

RE, Q's...

We'll continue to ship from the website as long as the FDA allows. I don't think it's an immediate or pressing concern, just something on the horizon to be aware of and prepare for - it's an "adapt or die" type situation. I suspect that once B&Ms are made aware of the opportunity then they will accommodate... lots of B&Ms take orders over the phone and ship. It's pre-mature to worry about it now, but it'd definitely something we'll continue to monitor.

As an aside, there are a healthy number of Australian vendors whom are interested in doublers... still not sure how we will address that.

 

[glowplug]

So even though it is not a short run now, it could become one in the future?....looks like the doodle will be in that category. back to menthol?

Tracey

Tracey, if you love Doodle, have you tried mixing the GCD with a bit of CLS or even Frenilla? I have found that to be a great sub for my Doodle. GCD can be a bit overwhelming for me so I mix it up and it is wonderful. They are similar to my destroyed taste buds.

 

[Kent Brooks]

I'm not known for being anything but blunt in the family threads so I suppose I'll continue it here:


Firstly I would like to congratulate you on the move and expansion of nicoticket. It's amazing what you have done in the year or so since I have found this family!


Secondly, I'm heavy hearted hearing it's going to a conglomerate organization that will be actually manufacturing the liquid. I'll admit while the family is the biggest draw for me, part of me was so proud of what you were able to mix with your own two hands and go look you want premium hand made liquid?! Here! And flip a small sample to a store or a person searching for the vape that sets them free of analogs. Now your going to machines and such and I'll admit while the flavors will stay more consistent and more readily available (for the time being until the FDA stuff happens with online sales), it will lose a lot of it's luster in the fact that I like the inconstancy just because I know a fellow human is on the other end of that bottle mixing and tweaking till it's just right. I like the fact that I know you guys made it, and bottled it, and labeled it, and sent it off to me.


This doesn't mean I'm not going to continue ordering from you as I will and always shall, as long as I'm able to, but I just tend to shy away from mass marketed stuff. That might be a hipster comment, but it's true in every aspect of my life, clothes, music, instruments, etc.




So without further ado, congrats Clark and Katy for being able to step up to the big time! It's a step you deserve and I hope to see you prosper!




All of these comments are just my personal feelings, and shouldn't be taken as anything more then that. Read them how you will, but it's just me.

Heya Medic - thank you for the candid feedback. We will still be infusing every bottle with Clark's sweat, you need not worry about that. I can't really disclose details, but we're going to be more consistent about the inconsistency - trust me, the magic is no less present even if a machine bottles the liquid We're delegating the monotonous part of the business to machines, but there is still a significant human element involved in every step of the process. At the end of the day, R&D is done by hand and 10ml at a time - that's the important part (to me, at least).

Great post, regardless!!

 

[Kent Brooks]

Funny, I thought about Avon like ejuice distribution the other day. Lol

Purple Prius, anyone? LMAO

 

[Kent Brooks]

So even though it is not a short run now, it could become one in the future?....looks like the doodle will be in that category. back to menthol?

Tracey

I would grab up a 3-4 month supply of Doodle just to be safe (not sure now much that is for you). I am sure we will have it back on the site as a permanent flavor by January or so?