trying to choose: Manual vs Automatic

[Adrenalynn]

The VK autos are not activated by sound. They work off the suction when you draw on the carto.

You don't want to get them too close to magnets, though.

Thanks, PawPaw, I've written that half a dozen times to various comments by people that don't use the 808-type, but they seem to gloss right over it and ignore what I've just said. Maybe you'll get more traction than I!

I'm auto-all-the-way - at least until I perfect my new auto-manual - or is that manual auto? No, definitely auto-manual. A manual with no button or other obvious activation method. [I've applied for the patents, and have it working on a device about the size of a PACK of cigarettes, now it just needs a little miniaturization]

 

[antithesis]

i'm going to be trying a manual batt soon with my next order. my PT is manual and sometimes it works great, and othertimes it doesn't. often (like right now, with a menthol/coffee carto i've refilled 2 times now) i get just as good a vape off a shorty, as i do with anything else. i've not killed a batt with overfilling (though i've wounded 2 carts!!) YET, but i like that it's 'safer' with a manual. i like how auto's are 'more like smoking an analog' but at this point, having gotten past my first week, i'm not too concerned with it. i can't wait to compare, though, but for the most part my autos have been treating me just fine.

 

[Pawpaw]

Thanks, PawPaw, I've written that half a dozen times to various comments by people that don't use the 808-type, but they seem to gloss right over it and ignore what I've just said. Maybe you'll get more traction than I!

I'm auto-all-the-way - at least until I perfect my new auto-manual - or is that manual auto? No, definitely auto-manual. A manual with no button or other obvious activation method. [I've applied for the patents, and have it working on a device about the size of a PACK of cigarettes, now it just needs a little miniaturization]

I doubt I'll get any more traction than you. However, Pav sounds like he does use VK manuals.

That auto-manual sounds interesting, once you get the size down. I have no doubts you will, either.

I started playing with electronics when I was 10 and have spent my entire adult life (a good long time) working on communications equipment. Sometimes I have trouble keeping up with your posts!

 

[Drozd]

I caught that the V4L autos aren't sound activated.. but are they just suction through the carto or will very strong winds set them off? I know on other models auto batteries in a moving car with the windows down it isn't so much the noise but the airflow across the ventholes for draw will trigger the auto, for that matter at loud concerts it isn't the noise but the fluxuating air pressure from the bass..
Working outdoors, at heights, often in windy conditions is whats kept me away from all auto batteries..

 

[antithesis]

well as for wind (and this applies to the cold -- which was another topic elsewhere last night, vaping in cold weather) i just keep my auto cupped in my hand when i inhale, and then it, curled in my hand, goes into my coat pocket in between vapes. i know that doesn't apply for working out in those conditions, for instance, but wouldn't the lanyard cover, for the most part, those holes? or perhaps the battery bags tricked out so they're on a longer string to keep around your neck while working?

though if i was out working in windy conditions, way up high, vaping would be the last thing on my mind, LOL! beyond just a pull or two, and then put it back in a secure place, IE: lanyard or pocket.

 

[Adrenalynn]

I think you do just fine "keep up", Paw

There is a plunger inside the switch, which is contained within the battery. You can test this by pulling the carto off and sucking on the end of the battery (just keep your tongue off the center conductors ), notice the light goes on?

What happens when we draw is the the plunger inside the battery is lifted by the vacuum and that allows the two contacts to meet, actuating the switch. So what you need to false it is an "anti-wind".

What you're describing "fluctuating air pressure across the vents" is, by definiton, a microphone. Sound = Fluctuating air pressure across a diaphragm which is then converted into electrical impulses (and translated by a device, ie. brain or microcontroller) into "sound"

I just hit my XL Auto with a can of air, and it didn't actuate it. That's a pretty strong "windows rolled down in the car" there. Anemomenter sprang up to 64mph, then ERR, not sure what it's max is... So then I hit it with the oilless compressor with 90PSI (pulled back a few feet, no reason to blow the electronics out the end!), and it didn't actuate then either.

So experiment backs-up theory. Your reports are operating on an entirely different technology.

 

[Taryn]

So what causes the auto to activate when you cover the "ash" LED end with a cartomizer condom? It causes that much of a change in air pressure?

 

[critterbug]

I now strongly prefer the manuals, too, even though I went with the autos initially. I actually feel more like manuals are like smoking, just in that the vapor is right there waiting for you to inhale. I don't have to pull as much. I also found myself using my thumb to push the button while I was working today. Surprisingly comfortable (as opposed to my index finger).

 

[Adrenalynn]

Oh yeah, absolutely. You're completely sealing the end when you do that, so whatever pressure you're putting on the cap is the pressure the diaphragm is "feeling". I'd imagine at least two, maybe three bars delta.

 

[Symmetric]

I agree that you should have both in your arsenal, if for no other reason than Autos are good for cold days (when your hands are in your pockets), and Manuals are always great. The manual button allows you to draw the vapor however you like, light or hard and you'll still get a lot of vapor either way. With the Auto, you have to draw hard enough to activate the switch, which can sometimes be too hard (depending on your preference)

 

[Pawpaw]

Taryn,

Keep in mind that its not air pressure, per se. Its the difference in air pressure between the two sides of the diaphragm. In other words, inside & outside of the battery.

 

[Adrenalynn]

Yup - exactly. Delta. You just speak English better.

 

[Taryn]

All I know is it's fun to do it!! LOL

 

[Pav]

I doubt I'll get any more traction than you. However, Pav sounds like he does use VK manuals.

I sure do. I'm on the VK exclusively now. I will never fiddle with one of those 3 pieces again.

And it sounds like the auto VKs might not be bad if they work differently than the other kinds out there. I might have to get one with my next order. First thing I'm going to do with it is put it in my bass drum and see if that sets it off!

 

[Pawpaw]

I sure do. I'm on the VK exclusively now. I will never fiddle with one of those 3 pieces again.

And it sounds like the auto VKs might not be bad if they work differently than the other kinds out there. I might have to get one with my next order. First thing I'm going to do with it is put it in my bass drum and see if that sets it off!

Great! Welcome to the family, then!

Bass drum! I will be very surprised if that does set it off.

 

[Drozd]

well as for wind (and this applies to the cold -- which was another topic elsewhere last night, vaping in cold weather) i just keep my auto cupped in my hand when i inhale, and then it, curled in my hand, goes into my coat pocket in between vapes. i know that doesn't apply for working out in those conditions, for instance, but wouldn't the lanyard cover, for the most part, those holes? or perhaps the battery bags tricked out so they're on a longer string to keep around your neck while working?

though if i was out working in windy conditions, way up high, vaping would be the last thing on my mind, LOL! beyond just a pull or two, and then put it back in a secure place, IE: lanyard or pocket.

Lol..well I'm an ironworker so being up high, walking on I-beams, connecting up tons of steel, or welding....smoking just kind of kept me calm...last thing you want is to be jittery...so yeah, not nessicarily want it on the front of the mind but just kinda there when you want a drag..right now the pen pocket in the front of the work coveralls is about perfect...but I do have a hard leather belt case for em too that works pretty good....but I'm not a big fan of the lanyard myself..not to knock it if it's your thing..but for me after doing custom leatherwork as a hobby and side job it just seems a little lacking (for my preferences)

 

[keyzygirl]

My lanyard is not lacking anything,thank you very much!!I think its awesome.

 

[Pav]

Great! Welcome to the family, then!

Bass drum! I will be very surprised if that does set it off.

Thanks pawpaw. I love finally having an ecig that isnt a hassle and actually works well. Not to mention it's easy to get questions answered fast here.

 

[Taryn]

My lanyard is not lacking anything,thank you very much!!I think its awesome.

Totally agree, it's perfect and I wear it constantly!

 

[Blooper]

I def think that my auto does more for a fresh cart and the manual works better for the refills.