trying to choose: Manual vs Automatic
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@jleigh: I feel like it should be the other way around from what I have been reading... 
Oh well we'll just have to see when they get here.
I am not sure what refills mean, I've seen the blank carts on the v4l web page but that isn't what people are talking about. I am guessing filling up old carts with the same or different nobacco juice. I don't know if I'll ever get into that, it sounds messy.
Oh well we'll just have to see when they get here.
I am not sure what refills mean, I've seen the blank carts on the v4l web page but that isn't what people are talking about. I am guessing filling up old carts with the same or different nobacco juice. I don't know if I'll ever get into that, it sounds messy.
Refilling can be messy with a 3 piece, but not so bad with a 2 piece VK and saves a lot of money.
@jleigh: I feel like it should be the other way around from what I have been reading...
Oh well we'll just have to see when they get here.
I am not sure what refills mean, I've seen the blank carts on the v4l web page but that isn't what people are talking about. I am guessing filling up old carts with the same or different nobacco juice. I don't know if I'll ever get into that, it sounds messy.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vapor4life/39350-refilling-cartomizer-movie.html
Well good for you both, glad you like em...
For me, as far as leather goes I just prefer a better quality product not something that looks as if it was put together by a 5th grade girl scout in a day camp.....but hey at least the painting on em is kinda cool..
Well I am surprised the Leaford's lanyard you have is such a lower quality than the hand crafted, hand painted one that I have. Mine has received many compliments.
I am surprised you ordered one in the first place!
I am surprised you ordered one in the first place!
I didn't order one because of the ones I have seen online and in person..
like I said the painting is nice...
But hand crafted doesn't always impart quality..I did say it looked hand crafted (just happened to say hand crafted by a 5th grade girl scout at day camp)....
Like I said glad you like yours....
I don't expect anyone who doesn't know s&#t about leather to know any better..
just amazing that with all the different types of leather the "crafter" chose what he chose to use..or with all the different ways to lace or finish the edge he chose to use those big ugly X pattern...not to mention the cord and beads...
Glad you like yours
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I received my very first e-cig last week (V4L Ultimate Ultimatum Automatic Kit) and I couldn't be happier. I had read and read and read for at least 2 weeks trying to decide which would be better for me and I went with the autos simply because I thought having to press a button would seem to unnatural when "smoking". I certainly have no regrets whatsoever.
I don't have a lanyard yet. and I've only seen pictures of the one v4l offers. It's not my style. what are the other options for that kinda stuff. I did a google search but didn't come up with much.
I could be nasty and suggest that if you think it's so badly done you should make them yourself and see how many you sell, however I understand what your saying even if I'm less than impressed with the way you're presenting it.
I, myself, would prefer a very different leather lanyard, however I don't have the skills/inclination/time/tools to make one. As for the existing lanyards, even though I do not personally like them I can certainly appreciate the art and care and thought that went into them, and I think that they are perfect for the majority of people, and were I going to create only one type to sell, I would make the same as the existing one, as it is what most people would prefer.
For myself I'd use a thinner leather, and joined in the most minimalist method with no frills (perhaps an imprinted pattern of some sort, but probably not even that). But, again, the existing ones are something I can see the craftsmanship and artform in, well beyond any girl scout or most amateur's efforts.
DROZD,I dont understand why you would want to insult anything or anyone here.I dont get it.Havent we been nice to you?We always try to be nice and helpful.
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As I've said the painting on them is nice and the artist deserves recognition for that part and that part alone...the leather part itself though really looks as if it belongs in a beginners DIY kit along the lines of Tandy's wallet kits or kids prepunched lace togeter change purse kits quality wise..
To be more specific it appears to be chrome tanned leather (I wasn't going to cut the one in my hands to be 100% positive) that is often most used as cheap ulpholstery leather and has that kinda plasticy feel and sheen to it and unfortunately the only way to decorate that is to paint it or rivet studs and such to it which would effect the overall flexibiliy and possibly scratch a PV..
So many more options available, garment suedes, latigo, stingray, roo, oilskin, wet molded veg tanned.. but all of em except the veg tanned and latigo could only be painted..
The lacing on the raw edges at the very least should be laced so it conceals the raw edge being it via a herringbone pattern or any one of hundreds of different edge lacings that even the tandy DIY wallet kits employ..
After doing leatherwork for over 15 years now for re-enactors, motorcyclists, and the fetish community I've got a really good grasp of how leather works...and these are just cheap outside of the artists painting (that painting really is alone worth what they're asking for them but not the leather part itself)
Not particularly, there are some that I think are nice and reasonable and can discuss and exchange ideas based upon quality and logic... Others, have to get all emotional and be zealots and any opinion that they perceive as not being 100% in line with the party they denounce as being wrong no matter what..
And I did say that the painting on the lanyards is nice that alone is worth the price being asked for THAT artisanship..but the actual leather part is amateurish at best..and in circles where artisanshp and quality as far as leather goes it really would be pretty much laughed at...sorry but thats the cold hard truth...I come from several backgrounds where artisanship and quality matter (in my line of work quality matters so much that people could die if things arent the best possible quality) and if one of these lanyards was unpainted I'd flat out be embarrased to be seen with it.. I know the re-enactors, and fetish community would pick it apart as well as the bikers who know what to look for in their leather goods..
But I don't really expect anyone except an artist who's experienced in this medium or someone who actually knows what they're looking at to understand...
I definetly have getting a kr808 on my list simply because for times I either dont want to mess with a 3 pc or when Im on the road. Educate me here how in the world would filling a cart be less messy than filling a 3 pc. I can fill a 3pc in a second I doubt you can fill a cart in a second. The problem is the freq I have to fill a 3 pc.
< 15sec/DAY - including disassembly and assembly.
Are you including assembly and disassembly in your 1sec? Because if you aren't, then yes, I can.
Yeah, while I'm not making leather goods, and never made them in a commercial venture, I have made them before. I'm also a member of the SCA (which I'm sure you're familiar with from the quoted post) and more than familiar with the different styles out there, although by no means a professional.
I'm also familiar with the prices for such work/materials/range of choice.
I doubt many people want to be spending $50-$100 or more for a lanyard.
I expect if someone else made these same lanyards, hand made, hand painted, exactly as the current ones are, for the same sort of customers as you have, they'd be charging more than V4L is.
I'm sure you have others in your industry (not sure from your post that it is your current industry, but I am sure you follow my meaning) that do the same sort of work, and you probably besmirch them as not being as high quality as your work, and this may also be true. The worst part is you take issue with the styles used, which has very little to do with quality, and materials, which are more than good enough quality for their intended purpose, and claim that this makes them bad quality.
But exposed raw leather edges, and basic stitching types, etc, are in themselves an expression of art, and it is probably that it is a combination of experience, available materials and artistic expression that goes into the current lanyards (as well as price concerns, naturally) and I find your disparaging attitude to be a pretentious attempt to bolster your own self-importance. This is just my impression of your posts, however, and I'm not saying anyone else thinks you are, to use a slang phrase, a douche.
So I guess, at this point, I will say: If you believe you can do better for the same price, eat your heart out.
But don't denigrate the produce, which I believe you got for free, without cause, which you have failed to provide.
If you do want to criticize, try to do so constructively.
Now, my tough chore will begin. I know from your previous self-righteous tirades that you must be the one to have the last word, so despite my assumption that I will thoroughly disagree with your next post, and that you will now do your best to turn your malign me, I'll not be posting further on this thread in reply to your posts, unless you manage to surprise me by rethinking your approach to your posting, and have something constructive to add.
Or if you have the self confidence to direct anything further to me in a private message, rather than on the main forums, I'll be happy to reply in kind.
The only reason I post this reply on the general forum rather than in a PM myself is because, while I do only speak for myself, I have had a few PMs from others who agree with much of what I have said, and I cant BCC on PMs.
Daniel.
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