trying to vape only but keep smoking

[gjanderson]

I would like sugestions please. i have been a 3.5 pad smoker and wanted to quit. I used different methods that worked for a few months but sadly went back to smoking. I have tried the ecigs off and on since 2006. I recently got a vamo with a vivi nova clearomizer and love it. I was using about 21 mg nic juice and was vaping about 3ml or a tad more per day. After coming to Malaysia, I have been limited to 12mg nic by the law. on top of this, my girlfriend here does not seem to understand (she is always complaining about me vaping so much) and these two things get me back to smoking cigs.

i have tried patches with the e-cig but don't seem to be getting enough nic. also the law here is can't vape where not allowed to smoke. (at least they lifted the ban against all nic juice and ecigs. I am wanting to quit smoking but seems nothing I do is able work.

fyi my banner is using about 50 smokes a day instead of 60 to 70 smokes per day. i dont mind the fewer numbers but want no smokes.

 

[artt]

Since higher nic level is not available I'm at a loss for other advice. Hopefully someone smarter than me will chime in.

 

[ScottP]

Try Snus as an interim step.

 

[unloaded]

I'd say you need 24-36mg nic juice. There's got to be a way for you to get it over there, you'll just have to figure it out. What exactly is the law on nicotine? Can you order higher online and have it shipped in? Can you bring higher with you when you travel?

 

[Spazmelda]

Can you get snus in Malaysia? That might be a way to supplement your nicotine since you can't seem to get it high enough with the liquids.

 

[mare ze dotes]

I dont know if it works this way, but maybe have an American friend or relative buy USA and send it to you personal like? My mom used to buy regular cigarettes at a discount from the Indian reservations and mail them to me. That was, back when.

(Thanks Mom, I wont need you to do that any more.) I did leave her a tip.

 

[rotku]

Sounds like you are in a tough spot. Nicotine can be such a strong addiction. It is interesting that in a country that allows unlimited smoking, limits nic content to 12mg.. You shouldn't be so down about it. Replace smoking with vaping as often as possible and know that situations always change. If vaping helps cut you from 70 cigs daily down to "whatever number" it is an improvement. Who knows, sometime in the future you might relocate to a more vape friendly situation.

 

[ScottP]

I dont know if it works this way, but maybe have an American friend or relative buy USA and send it to you personal like? My mom used to buy regular cigarettes at a discount from the Indian reservations and mail them to me. That was, back when.

(Thanks Mom, I wont need you to do that any more.) I did leave her a tip.

Don't let customs catch it. I don't know what happens to packages shipped to other countries.

 

[Ken_A]

You can increase the absorption of nicotine by changing the way you vape.
Draw the vapor onto your mouth and instead of breathing it in, SLOWLY exhale it through your nose. Vapor nicotine is absorbed through the me brains of the mouth and nose, not so much through the lungs.
CAUTION: When I do this with my 6mg juice, it usually gives me the same hit I get with 12mg juice! If I do it too much, I get rather dizzy

 

[wv2win]

Try Snus as an interim step.

I'd say you need 24-36mg nic juice. There's got to be a way for you to get it over there, you'll just have to figure it out. What exactly is the law on nicotine? Can you order higher online and have it shipped in? Can you bring higher with you when you travel?

I agree with both of these suggestions. You would think that it would be difficult for the government to search all packages. I would get a friend or family member to send you the largest quantity possible of 24 - 36mg eliquid. I know when elqiuid packages were being confiscated in the US back in 2009, I would order from Heavens Gifts in China and after emailing them my concerns of my packages being confiscated, they would put "gifts" or "toys" on the manifest, lol.

You could also buy a bottle of high mg nicotine concentrate from an oline story like Wizards Labs and just add a very small amout to your 12mg eliquid to up the nic level without decreasing the flavor. Just make sure you understand how much to add so you don't make it too strong!! You might want to get help in the DIY part of the Eliquid sub-forum here on ECF.

 

[KeithB]

For me, getting a decent throat hit is essential to mimicking the cigarette experience. The ways I know of to do that are increasing your nic (sadly, not an option for you), adding a little PGA (probably not an option for you) and increasing the wattage you vape at which can be achieved by upping your voltage and/or lowering the resistance of your carto/atty/tank. Also, a higher PG percentage in your juice may help. I usually vape an 80/20 mix that plays well with Boge cartos.

I was a PAD smoker a couple years ago and I go through about 6ml of 18mg a day so your usage doesn't seem terribly high to me.

 

[gjanderson]

thanks for the advise. i have tried snus before and it was horrible. besides the university of texas medical research showed increase in gum disease with it.

i have tried contacting somebody who gets nic but he has no plans on ordering for awhile. not complaining though, just want this stink to end only. Good thing is here in Malaysia they are also limiting many things in ciggs also and by september this year plans on limit on nic in cigarettes will be lowered.

yes i have changed my vaping and added PG to most juices to add TH. but not enough to lessen flavor - got really great flavors.

think the biggest problem is my non understanding girlfriend. yes a person can order nic here but must register and give them permission to examine all juices. that is why been hoping to get somebody local who gets it so i can try diy.

maybe hold it longer or add more pg to get the hit and curb desire for smoke.

thanks.

has anyone else had a loved one who complained about all the vaping you do?

 

[Gr8Scott]

Okay, What a quandary. First try increasing voltage to the 5v area, higher voltage emulates the throater that real cigs have. Then I would agree, get someone here to purchase some DIY nicotine juice from one of the labs (Wizard) then have same friend/relative re-label the bottle as "brake fluid" or something.Then have it sent to ya. The make your own DIY after a little study. It's not hard, and a little goes a long way.' I am thinking 24-27mg, maybe a bit higher. Hate advising such nefarious practices, but hey it's Malaysia, so who cares about their ridiculous little nit picky regulations. Crazy bureaucracy. And, re your girlfriend, you should ask her if she'd rather see you die a miserable death from cigarettes instead of vaping. Alot of people don't understand that the combustion of burning tobacco is what causes the problems. The nicotine is basically harmless outside of it's addictiveness. And we got that a very long time ago (addictiveness) so it is what it is. Better do what we do and live then kid ourselves about easing off of cigarettes. I totally enjoyed smoking. ALOT. But when I tried vaping (initially just to save money) I discovered that you can have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Leal]

Have you looked into rebuildable genesis type atomizers? Sounds like a weird suggestion but I know I have to significantly reduce my nic level when I use mine so maybe trying one can help amplify what liquids you are able to get.

 

[Ryedan]

gjanderson, have you tried the Malaysia Forum here on ECF? That would be my first stop.

I also agree with Leal about RBA's. I have not experienced it yet, but I understand that if you get them working right you can vaporize so much more juice people will lower their nic levels significantly.

 

[Erncig]

I dont think getting enough nicotine is your problem. You just don't enjoy vaping enough to quit smoking or vaping doesn't give you something that tobacco does.

 

[Ryedan]

I dont think getting enough nicotine is your problem. You just don't enjoy vaping enough to quit smoking or vaping doesn't give you something that tobacco does.

gjanderson said:

"After coming to Malaysia, I have been limited to 12mg nic by the law. on top of this, my girlfriend here does not seem to understand (she is always complaining about me vaping so much) and these two things get me back to smoking cigs."

I don't understand how you got to the conclusion you did Erncig.

 

[grandnagusjason]

I know that the genesis style atomizers for some seem to deliver more nicotine. I use 18mg in my cartos but when I use a genesis I could easily go down to 12 and get the same bang for my buck. It seems like it would be worth your time to give it a try. It has a learning curve but could make your life much easier.

 

[Erncig]

gjanderson said:

"After coming to Malaysia, I have been limited to 12mg nic by the law. on top of this, my girlfriend here does not seem to understand (she is always complaining about me vaping so much) and these two things get me back to smoking cigs."

I don't understand how you got to the conclusion you did Erncig.

He has never quit for any significant period of time. (as far as we know)

He said "I used different methods that worked for a few months but sadly went back to smoking. I have tried the ecigs off and on since 2006."

He has excuses/reasons why he thinks he cant quit smoking. The one about his GF is kind of weak. Thinking its all about nic levels, is not something I agree with.

He simply doesn't enjoy vaping as much as he wants to. It could be because he hasn't found the right device, or because vaping does not include something that was present in the tobbacco.

I know because I'm in the same position as he is.

 

[Oktyabr]

Excellent suggestions on here!

Don't get busted "smuggling" higher than legal nicotine into the country. That said for someone who smokes like you do I'd recommend 36mg juice, undiluted, or even stronger (48mg) if you are going to add it to weaker stuff.

The real and more legal thing that might work is, as others have suggested, getting into a different device. I have a Vamo for my backup now but my daily vape is a pure mechanical (with an 18650 bat) and either an AGA-T2 (RBA) or an incredibly cheap Smok RDA "Octopus" with a much thicker wick and an extra hole drilled in the cap for more airflow. This isn't something I would recommend to beginners by any means but what I'm suggesting is taking advantage of one of the unique benefits of SLR or "Super Low Resistance" vaping... I'm not talking about quad coils at 0.3 ohms like some of these guys on youtube are doing either. My AGA runs an SS mesh wick with a 5/6 wrap of kanthal 28 gauge for a resistance of 1.1 ohms. I've increased the airhole in it too from the factory 1mm to just over 1.5mm (1/16th of an inch). My Smok RDA has a 9mm thick silica wick (3 x 3mm strands) wrapped with a 4/5 of kanthal 28 gauge for a resistance of 0.9 ohms. On a full mechanical (unregulated) mod with a properly set up dripper or RBA this will produce MUCH more vapor than your typical vivi or kanger on a VV device...

The unique benefit of this, if you utilize it this way, is that the higher vapor production drives most SLR folks to use about *half* their normal nicotine. I still vape either 18 or 24 mg in a vivi on top of my vamo. In one of my SLR devices? 9 or 12mg. Any more than that and two or three long drags will plant me on my .... with a giggle and make my head swim. YMMV.