types of throat hit

[Dzaw]

So I've been pretty successful. Actually, considering the lack of success I've observed in smokers I've tried to convert, I've been wildly successful. However, I now have the problem that I blow some pretty big clouds.

I started on a disposable automatic cigalike. Actually, it was pretty good. I cant find this one anymore (at least, not locally), it was called ez cig and was imported by the same company that imports Djarums (Kretek international). They have a black cherry flavor that I just cant find in an e liquid, but it's very good. It's not any of the usual suspects (like Dekang for instance, their black cherry was terrible).

However, at $8 per disposable, I certainly wasn't saving any money.

I moved on and up through the last few years, Ego, Ego twist/spinner, Vamo, and finally to mechanicals.

Heat delivery changed a lot, too. Attys, cartos, vivi nova top coil clearos, carto tanks, protanks, kayfun, and finally RDA.

Also, as I evolved as a vaper, I wanted to drop my nic level. I started at 24mg, and am now diluting 3 down to 1 mg/ml.

As I sit here blowing respectable fog from my .5 ohm dual coil build in a Marquis dripper (and loving the flavor) it occurred to me how different this is from what got me off the coffin nails. This got me asking some hard, self examining types of questions about why I prefer this flavor making cloud machine over the earlier gear that I succeeded with.

Of course, there's a lot of reasons. Reliable all day convenience has a lot to do with the evolution of my habit. So too does the cost/time relationship.

however, I genuinely prefer this vape over anything else I've used. Why? Throat hit. Even at 1mg/ml I'm getting the "type" of TH I crave. It's not a thump or bang, it's the feeling of thick, saturated, moist vapor pouring through my throat as I inhale. The slight, subtle increase in resistance to exhaling.

I've been down to 1 mg for months. In trying to tease out this feeling, and how to define / characterize it, I recently bought a small bottle of 6 mg. I made a 1.2 ohm single coil build and closed off the other air hole on my marquis. I tried doing mouth to lung, and adjusting the airflow to approximate the vape I used to get.

That 6 mg TH is very, very different. Sharper, but in a thin kinda way. The word that comes to mind is "sickly". It has that feeling that there's a fever coming on, but that feeling is only in my throat. Don't get me wrong, the word "sickly" has a negative connotation that I'm not trying to convey, I just don't have a better word.

Of the two, I really enjoy, and, dare I say, even crave the full, thick, saturated vapor from my low resistance dual coil build. I could get by on the other, probably with a little less nic.

I guess this makes me a cloud chaser. Funny, I never set out to be "that guy". My juice is 70% PG, but my wife sometimes complains about the sea of fog she lives in during the winter, and I get strange looks vaping in public. None of this is going to stop me, but if I could get the sensation and flavor I'm after with fewer clouds, I'd probably be doing that.

 

[smacuser]

It sounds like you don't need nicotine in your life: congrats.

I've heard adding a drop or two of PGA to your juice will add massive TH.

 

[InTheShade]

It sounds like you don't need nicotine in your life: congrats.

I've heard adding a drop or two of PGA to your juice will add massive TH.

That's my experience too smacuser. I add vodka to my Boba's and not only does it help it wick much more efficiently, it increases the throat hit a great deal - even in a direct lung inhale. Perhaps it's worth a try OP - you only need a couple of drops per ml (say around 5%)

I don't really have an overall preference as to the throat hit or volume of vapor I get. I change it up as my mood changes. When I get slightly burnt out on my Subtank, I'll revist my Magma or rebuild my REO. I can't say I vape one particular way or even prefer one particular strength of e-liquid.

 

[Dzaw]

I'll give that a shot - thanks.

I'm not really sure I could say I don't need nic in my life, though. That 6mg was REALLLLLL handy for getting my head screwed on straight in the morning. I just dripped it right into my Tobh with dual coils, and woke up!

 

[smacuser]

Boba's.......yum.

Yeah, the guy there said one or two drops of distilled would improve wicking being it's all VG, so why not PGA?

 

[danny4x4]

Just to add my own experience and see if anyone feels the same as I do.

I started with 36mg two years ago and my first hit was on a ego with a ce4. I never knew/thought about throat hit when I was smoking. But realised soon after that throat hit was the only thing keeping me away from the cigarettes. I don't care about flavor or clouds.

I read that with a more efficient delivery system, I would be able to drop my nic.....Unfortunately, that's not true for me. Even with a kanger subtank, 0.5 ohm coil, 24mg, 20 watts, the throat hit is no more different than a kayfun at 1.4ohms at 11 watts with the same juice.

Lots of folks will say more juice vaporised, more throat hit. But I differ. Imagine I like spicy food, adding more chilli isn't going to make it more spicy if the type of chilli doesn't tickle my taste buds. Hope I'm making sense.

Adding menthol has never worked for me. In fact, it detracts from the throat hit for me. Why do females prefer menthol cigarettes? Probably because it's cooling and takes away the throat hit.

Anyone feels like I do?

 

[astronomicals]

Fak Sau

adding more words because apparently anything under ten letters isnt allowed...

Fak Sau

 

[edyle]

So I've been pretty successful. Actually, considering the lack of success I've observed in smokers I've tried to convert, I've been wildly successful. However, I now have the problem that I blow some pretty big clouds.

I started on a disposable automatic cigalike. Actually, it was pretty good. I cant find this one anymore (at least, not locally), it was called ez cig and was imported by the same company that imports Djarums (Kretek international). They have a black cherry flavor that I just cant find in an e liquid, but it's very good. It's not any of the usual suspects (like Dekang for instance, their black cherry was terrible).

However, at $8 per disposable, I certainly wasn't saving any money.

I moved on and up through the last few years, Ego, Ego twist/spinner, Vamo, and finally to mechanicals.

Heat delivery changed a lot, too. Attys, cartos, vivi nova top coil clearos, carto tanks, protanks, kayfun, and finally RDA.

Also, as I evolved as a vaper, I wanted to drop my nic level. I started at 24mg, and am now diluting 3 down to 1 mg/ml.

As I sit here blowing respectable fog from my .5 ohm dual coil build in a Marquis dripper (and loving the flavor) it occurred to me how different this is from what got me off the coffin nails. This got me asking some hard, self examining types of questions about why I prefer this flavor making cloud machine over the earlier gear that I succeeded with.

Of course, there's a lot of reasons. Reliable all day convenience has a lot to do with the evolution of my habit. So too does the cost/time relationship.

however, I genuinely prefer this vape over anything else I've used. Why? Throat hit. Even at 1mg/ml I'm getting the "type" of TH I crave. It's not a thump or bang, it's the feeling of thick, saturated, moist vapor pouring through my throat as I inhale. The slight, subtle increase in resistance to exhaling.

I've been down to 1 mg for months. In trying to tease out this feeling, and how to define / characterize it, I recently bought a small bottle of 6 mg. I made a 1.2 ohm single coil build and closed off the other air hole on my marquis. I tried doing mouth to lung, and adjusting the airflow to approximate the vape I used to get.

That 6 mg TH is very, very different. Sharper, but in a thin kinda way. The word that comes to mind is "sickly". It has that feeling that there's a fever coming on, but that feeling is only in my throat. Don't get me wrong, the word "sickly" has a negative connotation that I'm not trying to convey, I just don't have a better word.

Of the two, I really enjoy, and, dare I say, even crave the full, thick, saturated vapor from my low resistance dual coil build. I could get by on the other, probably with a little less nic.

I guess this makes me a cloud chaser. Funny, I never set out to be "that guy". My juice is 70% PG, but my wife sometimes complains about the sea of fog she lives in during the winter, and I get strange looks vaping in public. None of this is going to stop me, but if I could get the sensation and flavor I'm after with fewer clouds, I'd probably be doing that.

You completely ignored mention of watts, so somewhere along the line I figured you were using mechs. So, I'll assume you're vaping 4 volts in each case.

Case 1:
0.5 ohm dual coil; (btw that is 1 ohm of coil); 4 volts; that's 32 watts.
1 mg/ml nicotine: total = 32 mgwatts.

Case 2:
1.2 ohm single coil ; (that is 1.2 ohm of coil); 4 volts; that's 13 watts.
6mg/ml nicotine: total = 78 mgwatts.
basically you're getting half the cloud but double the nicotine

If you want to get the same or similar vape on a single coil, stack 2 batteries; that will be 8 volts.
resistance required = 64/32 = 2 ohms

 

[Dzaw]

You completely ignored mention of watts, so somewhere along the line I figured you were using mechs. So, I'll assume you're vaping 4 volts in each case.

Case 1:
0.5 ohm dual coil; (btw that is 1 ohm of coil); 4 volts; that's 32 watts.
1 mg/ml nicotine: total = 32 mgwatts.

Case 2:
1.2 ohm single coil ; (that is 1.2 ohm of coil); 4 volts; that's 13 watts.
6mg/ml nicotine: total = 78 mgwatts.
basically you're getting half the cloud but double the nicotine

If you want to get the same or similar vape on a single coil, stack 2 batteries; that will be 8 volts.
resistance required = 64/32 = 2 ohms

Ok, valid point, I did decrease my actual power a great deal when I switched coils to try the 6. I wasn't trying to compare the same vape single vs dual, so much as trying to recreate the sort of experience I used to be satisfied with during the time I transitioned from my vision spinners to my vamo, but with less nic than I used during that time.

I picked the 1.2 ohms precisely because 1.2 ohms and 13 watts was the first sweet spot I found on my vamo. At 13.5 Watts I didn't notice any sort of difference, but at 14 watts my 1.2 ohm vivi nova heads started to taste burned, so I used 13 and was happy with that from 18 mg down to 12, and toyed with slightly higher wattage when I switched to protanks, before I finally felt comfortable enough with ohms law and battery safety to switch to a mechanical.

I'm not particularly interested in finding out how much nic in one delivery mode is equivalent to how much nic in another. I am just trying to get a handle on the difference between a nic throat hit vs this other sensation that I equate with throat hit, but seems to come more from volume and thickness of vapor production.

 

[Jovey]

Just to add my own experience and see if anyone feels the same as I do.

I started with 36mg two years ago and my first hit was on a ego with a ce4. I never knew/thought about throat hit when I was smoking. But realised soon after that throat hit was the only thing keeping me away from the cigarettes. I don't care about flavor or clouds.

I read that with a more efficient delivery system, I would be able to drop my nic.....Unfortunately, that's not true for me. Even with a kanger subtank, 0.5 ohm coil, 24mg, 20 watts, the throat hit is no more different than a kayfun at 1.4ohms at 11 watts with the same juice.

Lots of folks will say more juice vaporised, more throat hit. But I differ. Imagine I like spicy food, adding more chilli isn't going to make it more spicy if the type of chilli doesn't tickle my taste buds. Hope I'm making sense.

Adding menthol has never worked for me. In fact, it detracts from the throat hit for me. Why do females prefer menthol cigarettes? Probably because it's cooling and takes away the throat hit.

Anyone feels like I do?

Yep....i'm vaping on 18mgs and it's only the throat hit that keeps me off analogs. However, i would love to move back up to 24mgs because i'm finding since i've decreased the nic, so goes the TH. Yet i'm a chain vaper and now i'm getting headaches on 18mgs and wanting to decrease to 12mgs....but again, if i don't have that strong TH, then i'm tempted to go back to analogs.

Adding pure grain alcohol kind of scares me as far as if it's safe or not in regards to the heating.....i'm NOT into methol, so that's not an option, so i'm wondering how can i decrease to 12mgs and get an awesome TH to keep me from going back to analogs.

Btw, i have a MVP 2.0 and vape on voltage instead of wattage. Only because i find it gives me better TH at 4.8 on a 1.8ohm coil. Not into rebuildables just yet.....so any advice would be appreciated to get a good TH on what i'm working with.

 

[Dzaw]

Yep....i'm vaping on 18mgs and it's only the throat hit that keeps me off analogs. However, i would love to move back up to 24mgs because i'm finding since i've decreased the nic, so goes the TH. Yet i'm a chain vaper and now i'm getting headaches on 18mgs and wanting to decrease to 12mgs....but again, if i don't have that strong TH, then i'm tempted to go back to analogs.

Adding pure grain alcohol kind of scares me as far as if it's safe or not in regards to the heating.....i'm NOT into methol, so that's not an option, so i'm wondering how can i decrease to 12mgs and get an awesome TH to keep me from going back to analogs.

You could run two setups, one with 12 mg and another with 24. Chain on the lower one, but when that craving gets difficult, take an old fashioned smoke break, but vape the 24mg for a few minutes instead of smoking.

 

[edyle]

Ok, valid point, I did decrease my actual power a great deal when I switched coils to try the 6. I wasn't trying to compare the same vape single vs dual, so much as trying to recreate the sort of experience I used to be satisfied with during the time I transitioned from my vision spinners to my vamo, but with less nic than I used during that time.

I picked the 1.2 ohms precisely because 1.2 ohms and 13 watts was the first sweet spot I found on my vamo. At 13.5 Watts I didn't notice any sort of difference, but at 14 watts my 1.2 ohm vivi nova heads started to taste burned, so I used 13 and was happy with that from 18 mg down to 12, and toyed with slightly higher wattage when I switched to protanks, before I finally felt comfortable enough with ohms law and battery safety to switch to a mechanical.

I'm not particularly interested in finding out how much nic in one delivery mode is equivalent to how much nic in another. I am just trying to get a handle on the difference between a nic throat hit vs this other sensation that I equate with throat hit, but seems to come more from volume and thickness of vapor production.

The volume and thickness of vapour is directly related to wattage.

 

[Jovey]

You could run two setups, one with 12 mg and another with 24. Chain on the lower one, but when that craving gets difficult, take an old fashioned smoke break, but vape the 24mg for a few minutes instead of smoking.

Yes, thought about this also.....good idea. However, my main issue is wanting to decrease nic and eventually get off vaping all together. Which i know is wayyyy down the future, but until then.....would increasing the wattage on whatever device i'm using help with the throat hit? Right now, i can only go up to 11 watts on the MVP 2.

 

[Dzaw]

The volume and thickness of vapour is directly related to wattage.

I've found sufficient airflow to be equally important.

 

[edyle]

Yep....i'm vaping on 18mgs and it's only the throat hit that keeps me off analogs. However, i would love to move back up to 24mgs because i'm finding since i've decreased the nic, so goes the TH. Yet i'm a chain vaper and now i'm getting headaches on 18mgs and wanting to decrease to 12mgs....but again, if i don't have that strong TH, then i'm tempted to go back to analogs.

Adding pure grain alcohol kind of scares me as far as if it's safe or not in regards to the heating.....i'm NOT into methol, so that's not an option, so i'm wondering how can i decrease to 12mgs and get an awesome TH to keep me from going back to analogs.

Btw, i have a MVP 2.0 and vape on voltage instead of wattage. Only because i find it gives me better TH at 4.8 on a 1.8ohm coil. Not into rebuildables just yet.....so any advice would be appreciated to get a good TH on what i'm working with.

Once you can move up in power you should be able to get back the throat hit.

And as suggested above, having 2 tanks, one at high strength and a main one at lower strength is a good way to keep off the cravings in the first few months.

 

[Dzaw]

Yes, thought about this also.....good idea. However, my main issue is wanting to decrease nic and eventually get off vaping all together. Which i know is wayyyy down the future, but until then.....would increasing the wattage on whatever device i'm using help with the throat hit? Right now, i can only go up to 11 watts on the MVP 2.

My experience is that it hasn't increased the throat hit so much as made for a fuller, more satisfying vape.

 

[Chelonian]

The volume and thickness of vapour is directly related to wattage.

For coils of close to the same size, this is true.
Total amount of surface area should not be ignored, however.
I use a quad coil setup using 28 gauge that is wrapped to 1 ohm when I want to drip on one of my Provaris (perfect for long trips)
Four large coils have a massive amount of surface area, and will chuck prodigious amounts of vapor - all at 12 watts.
Slap on the sleeve and cap, the setup will stand up to 10 or 11 hours of heavy vaping. ( riding on a trip always makes me want to vape like crazy)


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[danny4x4]

A tighter draw (less air to "dilute" the nic) gives me a better throat hit.
Or, you could try some additives like flash, diablo loco, q hit, etc. Tried them and it was more of a throat burn. But that's the best way I've found top SIMULATE throat hit. Nothing can replace nic in throat hit, for me that is.

Or you can try soaking some chili seeds in your juice. Achieves the same effect as the additives, but at no cost. I DO NOT KNOW THE SAFETY OF IT, as I don't do it anymore. I stopped after seeing slivers of crystals in the juice. Might have been my pg or vg or flavorings. But I'd rather not take the chance.