UK Liquids Suppliers?

[Starlight]

Ask Starlight - our resident gourmet connoisseur!!!

Yikes, I know very little about DIY! I tried it for a short while but found I didn't get on with the Lorann "oils" as they seemed to give me a tight chest for some odd reason.

One can get Lorann's in the UK at TW here: LorAnn Flavourings, although they're out of stock of some of the flavours. There's also the eBay UK link which Caesarea posted earlier.

One can also get Flavourart flavourings here, but postage is very high: Flavourart Express shop. There's also an ECF topic about them here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/6004-flavourart-flavours.html

There's a difference of opinion on which are or aren't safe, mainly due to colourings. The DIY "expert" is Walrus although it was Kate who was originally posted a lot about it - they have differing opinions on colourings though, so it's up to you as to which you use. On the whole though, one should avoid oils and sugars at all costs as these can wreck atties. There's an Excel sheet on which Lorann flavouring contains what here: http://www.exogenesis.co.uk/Loranne1.xls or as an image here: http://www.exogenesis.co.uk/Loranne1.htm

Re what the flavours are like, you can try this topic: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/12259-loranns-strength-o-meter.html

To calculate how much to mix with how much, try http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/5712-hack-o-matic-e-liquid-calculator.html

If you want ready-made 0 mg liquids, not DIY, then try E-Cigs.co.uk who do "samples" of 15ml bottles, or a sample pack with a selection of flavours with 5 ml bottles. Some of the other UK suppliers have a limited amount of 0 mg flavours in small bottles of 10 ml - but they do seem at the moment to be somewhat limited.

By the way, I've got a ton of Lorann flavourings that I've either hardly or not touched and are as good as full, including two that are still sealed:
Brandy
Bubblegum (x2)
Champagne
Chocolate Hazlenut
Cotton Candy
Cranberry
Caramel
English Toffee
Mango
Marshmallow
Pralines and Cream (x2)
Vanilla Butternut
I keep meaning to put them for sale in the Classifieds as one big lot, but haven't got round to it yet. So you might want to keep an eye out for when I do (maybe in a week or two's time).

By the way, you can use Boot's Glycerine at about £1 for 200 ml. It's in the aisle for cough medicines. You can get PG on eBay here: 1 L PG, MPG , Propylene Glycol , 1,2-Propanediol - 99+% on eBay, also Chemicals, Lab Supplies, Medical Lab Equipment, Business, Office Industrial (end time 29-Jun-09 00:41:36 BST) but the smallest bottle they do is a huge 1 litre!

I hope some of this helps!

 

[Gee]

Thanks StarLight !
Another member, Christine i think her name was told me to stay away from the oil based liqs ... so i did. Ive got a Mint choc chip on its way

I like the idea of that Spreadsheet measuring tool ! Quite a neal little app !

As for the VG ... i paid a total of £3.00 for 100ml ... i couldnt find any in boots, maybe i probably didnt look enough ... I was mainly looking in the hair section ... VG is also used for hair if i am correct. I asked the assistant, she look at e like i was an alien or something
Cough medicine section ... ill remember that.

As for PG ... im staying away from that ... it sounds like its extracted from crude oil. :s

If you sell youre flavours individually, keep the caramel and mango aside for me

 

[scyllabub]

Gee, I think that most of the juices we buy are based on propylene glycol - although they are available based on glycerine.

According to ECF's "resident" scientists, who are investigating failsafe juices that should pass muster with anti-vaping police (FDA etc), PG burns much cleaner than glycerine (if I've understood them correctly - I am not a scientific person and my language here is very imprecise )

I'm not keen on glycerine from a taste/feel point of view, I wish that PG was available in smaller quanitities.

scylla

 

[Gee]

Gee, I think that most of the juices we buy are based on propylene glycol - although they are available based on glycerine.

According to ECF's "resident" scientists, who are investigating failsafe juices that should pass muster with anti-vaping police (FDA etc), PG burns much cleaner than glycerine (if I've understood them correctly - I am not a scientific person and my language here is very imprecise )

I'm not keen on glycerine from a taste/feel point of view, I wish that PG was available in smaller quanitities.

scylla

Yep .. I just realised
My bottle came to day at 11am, it said that it had PG and Artificial flavours ... oh well

Anyway, as it comes with PG in the flavour, does this mean i still have to dilute it with VG ?

One more question, im quite confused ... are these LorAnne flavours meant for cooking or something ? Who thought to use them when vaping ?

 

[scyllabub]

It doesn't mean you have to dilute with VG, but you can

I don't know who thought of LorAnn flavours for vaping - I first saw them on TW.

scylla

 

[Starlight]

Yes, as Scylla has said, most of the e-cig liquids we buy are based on PG. Some might have a smaller amount of VG added to the PG too.

I think all Lorann flavourings have PG in them. Most will have artificial flavourings but as long as they're not artificial caramel, they should be OK (I think). That said, the Lorann Caramel is OK and isn't the same as artificial caramel colouring and doesn't contain it.

You don't have to use PG, a minority of people are allergic to PG so they don't use PG but most people do as VG alone can be too thick and sweet on its own and risks clogging atties.

I suspect you might be best going through the DIY e-liquid sub-forum as that's where they all know a lot more about it than we might here?

 

[Gee]

Ok, thanks for all youre help so far ladies (and gentlemen?)

 

[The Wrong Man]

Hi Y'all Another new UK vaper joining the club

Just tried ecigsoutlet myself (thanks for pointing them out scyllabub) and they were really fast for me, too. Ordered the the coffee & the cappuccino late Thursday/early Friday and they plopped through my letterbox first thing Saturday (note to ecigsoutlet: really nice to have a non-recorded delivery option for those of us who like to sleep late ).

Coffee is OK - strong flavour but more of a 'coffee flavouring' flavour than a 'coffee' flavour. I do like it but I can't help feeling that it needs milk & sugar (despite the fact that I only ever drink neat espresso!). I've got a feeling that it will mix really well with the ECO Rich but haven't had a chance to try it yet because....

The cappa on the other hand, is absolutely fantastic! It's really smooth with a lingering, mellow flavour. It's got a really, really faint hint of menthol in it (so faint that someone who actually likes menthol probably wouldn't pick it up) that put me off a little at first but now it just keeps me going back for another hit again and again and again and....

Will probably try more flavours this week.

Chin Chin!

TWM

 

[Starlight]

Thanks TWM, always handy to have reviews! By the way, you might want to add your review to Eigsoutlet's topic here - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-suppliers-forum/19697-50-flavours-stock.html?

I'm glad you mentioned the menthol taste in the Cap as I normally love Cap and was thinking of getting it but I hate menthol! I once tried the ECOPure Fresh and found it reeked of and strongly tasted of menthol, even when mixed with another flavour... so I returned it. Have you (or anyone else) tried any other Cap, as well as Ecigsoutlet's one, to compare it? Eg, Janty's or E-Cigs.co.uk? I find both of those different to each other too, with E-Cigs.co.uk's tasting as if it's coffee with their cream added to it whilst the Janty one is lovely, smooth and mellow too.

 

[scyllabub]

Thanks for the reviews, TWM, I am useless at describing flavours and there are many I can't even tell the difference between

I had a generic Cappuccino from a "not-ecigsoutlet" outlet (although I suspect they may be the same underneath the label), and it did not come up to Janty's, IMO. Janty's delighted me from the first puff

scylla

 

[Starlight]

I've just posted a whole load of reviews on the Ecigsoutlet site for the flavours I got. As many were ones I've not had from elsewhere, it was difficult to make comparisons. I didn't go into much detail about some but into more detail about others, plus I feel I'm pretty useless at describing flavours too - although it's easier to compare I find. The flavours I got were:

Blueberry
Caramel
Chocolate Cream
Grape
Grapefruit
Kiwi
Lychee
Mango
Orange
Peach (which I ordered by mistake instead of Pear! )
Watermelon

They didn't have all the flavours in 0 or 8 mg, so I ended up getting 11 or 18 for those in those strengths, even if 18 was a higher than I wanted but I was just dying to try some of them!!!

I'll be getting Pear at some stage as I'd like to try it. Now to get a whole load of atties for them all as otherwise I'll end up with "tutti fruiti" if I use the same atty for all the fruit flavoured ones - mind you, could be a nice flavour in itself!

I might at some stage try the other more "usual" ones although I don't want to spend a fortune just to compare them... and I need to run out of my other similar ones first too.

 

[The Wrong Man]

This one is the only cappa I've tried so far - I've heard great things about Janty's and would love to try it but it's out of stock at ivapour and I've not seen it anywhere else

The menthol thing is weird and I definitely didn't expect it. When I smoked analogues, I really couldn't stand menthol at all but I find it much more pleasant in an e-cig. In the cappa, though, it's really subtle - kind of like an analogue that's been in a packet in the same pocket as a packet of menthols, if that makes sense (?). What I'm finding is that I taste the cappa on the inhale and the flavour really lingers while the vapour is in my mouth but then on the exhale, the little hint of menthol really cleanses my palate and makes me want to go back for another puff. Still, if you really hate menthol, I'd give it a miss.....

Starlight - I'm planning to order from e-cigs.co.uk this week (need some m401 batts and they seem to be the only ones who stock the black ones) so will likely pick up some more juice. Any recommendations for a smooth, all-day kind of vape?

Chin Chin!

TWM

 

[Starlight]

This one is the only cappa I've tried so far - I've heard great things about Janty's and would love to try it but it's out of stock at ivapour and I've not seen it anywhere else

You can also find Janty liquids at SmokeJuice (in UK) but he hasn't got many in stock at the moment either. Or, JantyShop in Holland, Janty's own official EU site) has all the Janty liquids (in Euros). You might want to email first to ask if they have in stock as I'm not sure if their lists are "live" or not.

Starlight - I'm planning to order from e-cigs.co.uk this week (need some m401 batts and they seem to be the only ones who stock the black ones) so will likely pick up some more juice. Any recommendations for a smooth, all-day kind of vape?

Yikes, taste is so subjective, it would be difficult to recommend anything . You might dislike what I might like or have a different opinion as to what "smooth" is. Also, it depends on what kind of flavour you'd be looking for. I also haven't by any means tried them all. Two of my all time favourites are Johnson Creek's Peach Cobbler and Vanilla Ice, but the JC stock has been zero for ever so long now although Simon keeps crossing his fingers and hoping some will come in soon! The Vanilla Ice is not the same as any other Vanilla I've tried - but I'm useless at describing flavours, so I can't really tell you the difference, except that it's not as mild or sweet as other vanillas, to me anyway. Some people have said that E-Cigs.co.uk's own Vanilla is more like "honey" - could be a good description actually, having tried it. I'm not normally a Vanilla fan, so I was just so surprised at how much I liked the JC Vanilla Ice!

The Peach Cobbler is also not the same as other Peaches. I also don't use any tobacco flavours as I'm not fond of any of them (having been a very bland Silk Cut Silver smoker, LOL).

You might also want to bear in mind that it's been said that - with some, if not most, liquids - the flavour might be stronger in the lower strengths, as the nic takes over a bit more in higher strengths.

I also find flavours will taste slightly different in different e-cig models. Some might be a bit weaker tasting in the Penstyle for instance, although the Penstyle gives out a load of vapour.

Have you tried having a look at some of the liquids reviews and video reviews where there are a few for liquids? Or try some of Igetcha's reviews, as I seem to remember he's done or two for E-Cigs.co.uk liquids. But, again, remember that taste is very subjective

For the M401, you can also get black batteries and other accessories at Eastmall (from China) as I think E-Cigs.co.uk are the only UK suppliers to do the Pilot (M401). David at Eastmall is apparently very good. Or, you can get the shorter "mighty atom" black batteries for the EVO (a "derivative" of the 401 and totally compatible) from either IntelliCig or Home - The E-Cig Shop.

 

[prof beard]

I also don't use any tobacco flavours as I'm not fond of any of them (having been a very bland Silk Cut Silver smoker, LOL).

Interesting! I was a Silk Cut Blue and Purple flavour and I ONLY like tobacco flavours!

 

[Starlight]

Well, that just goes to prove my point exactly - that taste is just so subjective!

 

[fcuk112]

i have heard some good things about capuccino flavour, where in the UK can i get this?

thanks.

 

[scyllabub]

You should be able to get JANTY (which is the best, IMO) at SmokeJuice - HOME... however, as too often, they're out of stock. Janty juices only come in 10ml bottles (I'd love someone to tell me I'm wrong) so I ordered a generic Cappuccino in 20ml, but it was not as nice.

scylla

 

[petec33]

Excellent range of flavours and great prices please check out JuicyCigs.co.uk

 

[The Wrong Man]

Thanks for the advice Starlight

I actually already had a bunch of EVO 'mighty atom' batteries (M402s) but with the way I vape when I'm out they only last about an hour, LOL. I grabbed a bunch of 401 batts from ecigs.co.uk and they are LOADS better - they last 2-3 hours and they cut out after 7 secs instead of 5 and it makes a world of difference! Oddly, though, their atties are nowhere near as good as the EVO ones.... Still not sure if it's down to different specs or just batch variation. Guess I would need to buy loads and loads of them to truly test it but all the 401 atties seem to last forever (my oldest is about 5 weeks old now and is still getting better by the day!) Found esmokeshop.co.uk selling 401 bits too so may try those next to see if there is any difference. Also looks like Mirage are 401s - lots more available than I originally thought - I guess the next step is to get TW doing 401 multipacks

In the end, instead of buying more juice, I picked up a Classic (RN 4072?) as they were on offer at the time at e-cigs (great service BTW - even asked for a cheeky favour and they obliged!) and the difference between that and my 401s is incredible! Strong flavours (like the carts that came with the pen) are great (they tend to give a bit of a head-buzz, too) but subtle flavours (cap, strawberry etc) are completely tasteless in it.....

Just seen that ivapour have RY4 and cap back in stock so will order those this weekend to add to my ever-growing collection

For the JC juice (I've been a Lucky Strike Red smoker for many years so our tastes are likely a bit different!) have you noticed any difference in atty life? I really fancy 3 or 4 of the JC flavours but there are so many horror stories about them on ECF, I'm a bit wary..... I guess now that TW are dong the mega-cheap pen atty packs, I could go for it.... Vanilla ice cream, Tennesee and Kona Coffee do tempt me...

Chin Chin!
TWM

 

[Caesarea]

Chin chin guys! Love this thread - it makes me so greedy for flavours!!!
Agree re the Evos, the best of the type, and far more durable.
Happy vaping weekend!



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