ULRA - UltraLowResistanceAtomizer - Final proto vidéo - 1,5ml/7min

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WyseOne

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Darn Snowball now look what you went and did, the software got delayed.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

We got some answers, I am sure others were wondering the same.

Guess I will have to wait longer since I have no way of programming the IC, Unless I can get after the hardware and software engineers in my office. Pailpoe, what exactly is needed to program the IC?
 
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No, only with microchip programmer. A pickit 3 costs 45$.
After, I provide the code.

EDIT : It's very easy to change the power table in the code.
I use this table at this moment for a genesis config 1ohm resistance.
power-24b4765.jpg
 
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You need a Microchip 12F1822 programmer like PicKit 3 (I use this programmer) or ICD3 .
The microcontroler can be prog In situ with the 5 points on the board.

Now this is kinda funny. I got busted yesterday for posting a PIC16 chip programmer in the classifieds here. The admin pulled the plug on my add and sent me a warning. Now after you post this, everyone here will be looking for one.
 
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This chip is truly amazing for its price (less than 1$).
# Enhanced Mid-range Core with 49 Instruction, 16 Stack Levels
# Flash Program Memory with self read/write capability
# Internal 32MHz oscillator
# Integrated Capacitive mTouch Sensing Module
# Data Signal Modulator Module
# MI2C, SPI, EUSART w/auto baud
# ECCP (Enhanced/Capture Compare PWM) Module
# Comparator with selectable Voltage Reference
# 4 Channel 10b ADC with Voltage Reference
# 25mA Source/Sink current I/O
# Two 8-bit Timers (TMR0/TMR2)
# One 16-bit Timer (TMR1)
# Extended Watchdog Timer (EWDT)
# Enhanced Power-On/Off-Reset
# Brown-Out Reset (BOR)
# In Circuit Serial Programming (ICSP)
# On Board In-Circuit Debug
# Wide Operating Voltage (1.8V – 5.5V)
# Low Power PIC12LF182x variants (1.8V – 3.6V)
# Standby Current (PIC12LF182X): 20 nA @ 1.8V, typical
# Active Current(PIC12LF1822): 50 uA/MHz @ 1.8V, typical
I have a 5v boost in my board for work with a single Nimh battery...
 

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So let me see if I am up to speed here. Just found this thread.

When available, this will be sold as a diy PV, all components will be provided but must be assembled by the purchaser.
The PCB will come assembled and just need to be programmed.
The code for the PCB will have to be written by the purchaser. And the MODULRA is totally freaking awesome.

Correct me if I am wrong but this will have to be kept mostly vertically at all times to prevent juice from flowing through the hole for the mesh and flooding the top chamber.
 
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that sounds about right. but I think the code will be there and the owner can reprogram as needed.
Depending on what you mean by "When available", I took that to mean When available to the general public and not the modders here that wouldn't mind coding it themselves.
 
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Depending on what you mean by "When available", I took that to mean When available to the general public and not the modders here that wouldn't mind coding it themselves.

So upon first release for modders it will be 100% unprogrammed, but when it is released generally it will be programmed as Pailpoe described earlier and will just require final assembly?
 

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You guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves. Let the man work.

Pailpoe,

Are you leaning more towards the genesis config rather than the ULRA ?

This is something I am curious about however, the ULRA really appeals to me from a no-coil-to-change standpoint, but if Pailpoe's going back to a genesis design, it may mean a usable, coil-less atty is still just a dream. Personally, I hope not. I would love to build one for myself.

And for the record, I haven't even built a genesis yet, but I do believe I'll be ordering the mesh and wire soon just to see if it's for me.
 

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So upon first release for modders it will be 100% unprogrammed, but when it is released generally it will be programmed as Pailpoe described earlier and will just require final assembly?

I asked roughly the same question (page 30) and Pailpoe had this to say:

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7 - In first time No (DIY here), after perhaps. I can program for free the microcontroler in first time.
8 - It's a prototype with no screw. I use screw in my future prototype

Thanks for your questions.
I do not have much time to respond.I work on the software.

Thanks for answering, Pailpoe, I look forward to seeing this reach production (and even more for the day I'll have my own in my hands :)).

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@VaporNebula: If I understood correctly, this is how Pailpoe intends to proceed. He ordered and has received 50 PCBs already he intends to distribute to the people (mostly on the french forum) who've been with him/ModULRA since the beginning, for testing purposes and to help develop/mature it. I think at this point, this PCB (or the microcontroller itself) doesn't possess some of the features he intends or would like to have in the "final" product (like the pressure sensor capability for automatic mode and ability to control amperage -- just voltage for now), read below:
On this board, I only control atty with voltage (no current).
My other board can control with current/voltage monitoring.

When he's happy with the design and the programming for the microcontroller he might do a 2nd run/order for PCBs at which point he might do a pre-order thing for people who either don't mind or actually prefer to DIY his design.. From his reply to my question, at this point people would receive the PCB and its components unsoldered (ie, you'd have to cut and assemble the PCB in the T formation and solder all components onto it), but even at this stage he implied he'd be ok with shipping the unsoldered microcontroller already fully programmed (once the software is done and he's happy with it, it wouldn't take more than a few seconds per microcontroller to program each one). The only thing I'm not sure of is if at this stage he'd actually sell you the full DIY kit (ie, PCB plus its components, as well as the aluminum and acrylic parts, O-Rings, SS400 mesh for the ULRA atomizer, etc).. Which is to say, I'm not sure if at this first round of "open beta/open pre-order" DIY phase, people would purchase from him the full list of items required to build his design or if we'd have to procure some (or most) of those items for ourselves.

After this, if the "open DIY sale phase" doesn't include all the parts needed, he'd probably do a more regular "full DIY kit". At this point, however, he might (for an aditional cost, I'm thinking -- which is only fair, craftsmanship is costly) sell things like the PCB fully assembled, with all components soldered and microcontroller fully pogrammed..

Beyond and after all this, and what I gathered from his posts here thus far is that this is still something he's not sure he'll ever do, he might just start selling his design (or future designs) as a fully built/assembled product (such as the likes of the ProVari, Darwin, etc).
 
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Snowball i understood it the same way as you typed. I just dont want to ask anymore and waste Pailpoe forum with things he doesnt know yet. so i think you hit it right on.

Pailpoe whatever you decide im sure it will be what is best for your ULRA. I am learning or trying to learn so much from your pics. They are very easy to see all whats going on. Thanks for doing this for the DIY ers. We all appreciate what you are doing here.
C ya
 
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