Ultimate Mobile Battery for 5v USB PassThrough?

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DoOrDie

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:toast: cheers fellow vapers!

Me= new, yes, but been at this long enough to know now that I love my 510 5V USB PT. Combined with the cartridge spring mod to keep that juice on the atty, I am nearing vaping nirvana, without going to my next venture with a juicebox of some type. If I could get my hands on a 5V Mahmba, you bet I'd do it in a minute. :laugh:

In the meantime, searching for the smallest, longest lasting, portable battery pack that could power a 510 5v PT has become a bit of an obsession with me- in addition to checking out all the great mods people are doing. We can use the PT at the puter, in the car with the right 2 mA adapter, or from a wall outlet. But what I am envisioning is a clip on battery pack you can simply plug the 5 V PT into- so you can get that killer vaping anywhere, anytime- with some serious battery life of several days or more.

We know we need a good ~1.5 mA of current output to make the 5v PT work, but the typical problem we run in to is most portable batteries are rated below that amperage.

Well, so check this out, and look what the cat dragged in: :)

I can't post links yet (only have 6 posts with this one), but I found a real nice looking battery pack with the following specs:

4200 mAh Lithium-polymer cell
5.0 - 5.5 V output
1.8 mA output max <--- key spec (covers and exceeds 1.5 mA needed by 5V PT)
size: 100 x 60 x 15 mm (keep in mind that's only a mere 3.5" L x 2" W x 1/4" D!- in other words, quite small! Imagine a 1/4" thick standard business card.)
USB output port

And it includes a wall and car charger, along with 1 year warranty. Battery and Device Protection? Yup, totally integrated.

How much is it? Not sure, but probably in the 50 to 80 dollar price range, maybe a touch cheaper. The catch? Made in China, and minimum order 10 pieces.

MODS NEEDED: Minimal to none.
Except maybe the addition of a belt clip and my latest favorite: velcro

Velcro? Yeah. It's working great to keep my PT wherever, and however I want it (namely, in a vertical position with the wire at the bottom- gravity helps keep the juice flowing downward on the atty) Just attach a ring or two of the soft, felty part around your PT below the button, and then attach a little strip of the velcro counterpart anywhere you want to around your puter, home, car, etc. Bingo- instant PT hanging and detachment. I found a great spot on my nice office leather chair, so my PT is just 8" or so away, and stored perfectly in a vertical position. :vapor:And in the car? Anywhere you want.

But back to this battery pack, the vision here is to get one of these things, attach a clip and a piece of velcro to it, and now you'd have just about the longest lasting battery possible, a portable 5V PT solution, and a place to hang the PT right on the pack when not in use. :2cool: The extra cable on the PT? NP, simply coil excess up and tie it off with a simple wire tie from your local kitchen loaf of bread.

Another idea of course would be to combine this with a juciebox of some kind, which could now be made smaller because the battery part would be taken care of. In fact a simple addition of a USB or mini USB plug on a juicebox could allow access to this batt pack.

So, here's the deal: I don't particularly want to spend hundreds of dollars to get 10 of these things on minimum order. But I might be willing to spend a hundred or so on two of them. With just another 4 people willing to do the same, we could pool our money and get the minimum order of 10. Or 10 people willing to buy 1 each. Anyone interested, I guess pm me or post your thoughts. You find an American supplier of this product? POST IT PLEASE. I haven't seen anywhere I can get this yet other than the link I have, and it took two weeks of searching before I even found the unit itself. But it seems perfect!
 
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We know we need a good ~1.5 mA of current output to make the 5v PT work, but the typical problem we run in to is most portable batteries are rated below that amperage.

Well, so check this out, and look what the cat dragged in: :)

I can't post links yet (only have 6 posts with this one), but I found a real nice looking battery pack with the following specs:

4200 mAh Lithium-polymer cell
5.0 - 5.5 V output
1.8 mA output max <--- key spec (covers and exceeds 1.5 mA needed by 5V PT)
A true Joye 510 is 2.1-2.2Ω. 1.5A will give you about 3.3V. The battery pack you mention claims 1.8A output max, add a bit of resistance for your USB connectors and wires and you'll probably end up at about 3.7V. It may be fine for the knock-off 510 users (3+Ω).
 

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Interest in this unit was pushed aside a long time ago on this forum I see but they are still available from China. I had some laying around never used until I started vaping and they work well for pass thrus. Also just purchased 2 more for about 22.00 each.
Rated at 5 v 1.8 amps APC UPB10. Search UPB10 on Ebay
Velcroed a PT with angle plug and shortened cord to the power pack--pretty compact
 

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Hey this battery pack works great for powering USB passthroughs... it is the same one I make my mod from and there isn't a restriction on amperage... or if ther is it must be near 3amps so it will work great and it has two 18650's in it regulated to 5.3 volts. It is 4,000 mAh and has a cable with six interchangeable adapters for various cell phones and other electronics and a pouch, it will be perfect for your needs and it cost $37 with free shipping. Oh... and they are smaller then they look.

Here is a link for it: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=tekkeon+tekcharge+mp1800&N=0&InitialSearch=yes


For admin.. (this is not my Mod this is the battery pack I use so please don;t get confused and ban me, thanks)
 
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A true Joye 510 is 2.1-2.2Ω. 1.5A will give you about 3.3V. The battery pack you mention claims 1.8A output max, add a bit of resistance for your USB connectors and wires and you'll probably end up at about 3.7V. It may be fine for the knock-off 510 users (3+Ω).

So what are you saying, WillieB? That this will not work with my 5v PT?

Interest in this unit was pushed aside a long time ago on this forum I see but they are still available from China. I had some laying around never used until I started vaping and they work well for pass thrus. Also just purchased 2 more for about 22.00 each.
Rated at 5 v 1.8 amps APC UPB10. Search UPB10 on Ebay
Velcroed a PT with angle plug and shortened cord to the power pack--pretty compact

Thanks mike- unfortunately the UPB10 has been discontinued by APC- but there might be still some floating around. Also, that product is only 2000 mAh, and rated at 800 mA. This unit I am talking about is different.

Hey this battery pack works great for powering USB passthroughs... it is the same one I make my mod from and there isn't a restriction on amperage... or if ther is it must be near 3amps so it will work great and it has two 18650's in it regulated to 5.3 volts. It is 4,000 mAh and has a cable with six interchangeable adapters for various cell phones and other electronics and a pouch, it will be perfect for your needs and it cost $37 with free shipping. Oh... and they are smaller then they look.

Hi chev, this is again not the same unit I am talking about, and I am surprised it works with the PT. Now have you tried a 5v USB PT with this, and it works?

Overall, I am still looking, because I want higher mAh. I have been in discussions now with a Chinese manufacturer, and they have a new unit about to come out that's 8800 mAh, and will deliver 2 A with a USB port. They said they will up that to 2.5 A and 5.5 or 6v, and even attach a beltclip- but they just wrote me back and gave me a great wholesale price of less than 30 bucks each, but the catch is I have to order minimum 500 pieces! :shock:

LOL. Forget it!
 

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Paid $15 for my Kensington Power Pack on sale at CompUSA and it works like a champ with my 5V PT. It might not have the crazy amount of mAh of some of those mentioned, but it's very slim and compact.

I'm curious voltaire, does that thing hit the same as when you have it hooked up to your computer USB or a wall adapter?
 

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I hope the OP meant amps, instead of milliamps.

I must disagree with a true 510 being 2-2.1 ohms, Mine all read 2.5 to 2.6 using a fluke 87V multimeter that gets calibrated every year.

If you're shooting for 5 volts, anything over 1.5 amps will do the job.

It's not possible to get true 5v vaping from a PC USB port, as they just cannot supply that much current. I've noticed a HUGE difference when comparing USB powered 5v, to DC power supply (0-6v, 2.5A) powered.
 

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Interesting...

I was curious to find out exactly how many mAh the Kensington is, so I busted out the packaging and manual. It's a 1800mAh LiPo, but that's not the interesting part. Both the packaging and the manual say the output current is 1amp max, but engraved on the unit itself, it says 1.5amp max...

The fact that the difference between it and a 2amp USB adapter is imperceptible leads me to believe that the packaging and manual are wrong.

ETA: Also, as a sidenote, the USB adapter that comes with the Kensington in order to recharge it is rated at 1amp max output. And if I plug the same 5V PT into it, it does not work at all - the LED just blinks when you push the button. Proving that this PT will not even work at all with just 1amp.
 
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chev327fox

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I hope the OP meant amps, instead of milliamps.

I must disagree with a true 510 being 2-2.1 ohms, Mine all read 2.5 to 2.6 using a fluke 87V multimeter that gets calibrated every year.

If you're shooting for 5 volts, anything over 1.5 amps will do the job.

It's not possible to get true 5v vaping from a PC USB port, as they just cannot supply that much current. I've noticed a HUGE difference when comparing USB powered 5v, to DC power supply (0-6v, 2.5A) powered.

Mine all ready 2.5 as well. I don't know where people get the 2.1/2.2/2.3 numbers from.... oh well. And my attys are real JoyE, also I have the 3ohm attys and they read 3 all day long so my meter isn't wrong.

Hi chev, this is again not the same unit I am talking about, and I am surprised it works with the PT. Now have you tried a 5v USB PT with this, and it works?


Yes I have used a Pass Through on this and it works great!!! It is a steady 5.3volts even under load and it works better on my Pass-through then any of the wall adapters I have that are 1.5-2amps. I only posted it to help, it is one hell of a battery pack but it might not be what you want but I know for a fact that it will fill your needs and you would love it.
 
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DoOrDie

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I hope the OP meant amps, instead of milliamps.

I must disagree with a true 510 being 2-2.1 ohms, Mine all read 2.5 to 2.6 using a fluke 87V multimeter that gets calibrated every year.

If you're shooting for 5 volts, anything over 1.5 amps will do the job.

It's not possible to get true 5v vaping from a PC USB port, as they just cannot supply that much current. I've noticed a HUGE difference when comparing USB powered 5v, to DC power supply (0-6v, 2.5A) powered.

Yes, I did mean amps, it is rated at 1.8 AMPS.

So you notice a HUGE difference, eh? See, that's why I am after the battery pack can deliver the higher current.

Is it possible that we can establish in this thread what the longest lasting portable solution AT 2+ AMPS is at the moment, that is available right now in the market? I don't care who's right or wrong, let's just find the sucker and be done with it. SO I CAN ORDER ONE! :vapor:
But it is prudent to keep eyes open and share the news about new products...
 

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Mine all ready 2.5 as well. I don't know where people get the 2.1/2.2/2.3 numbers from.... oh well. And my attys are real JoyE, also I have the 3ohm attys and they read 3 all day long so my meter isn't wrong.




Yes I have used a Pass Through on this and it works great!!! It is a steady 5.3volts even under load and it works better on my Pass-through then any of the wall adapters I have that are 1.5-2amps. I only posted it to help, it is one hell of a battery pack but it might not be what you want but I know for a fact that it will fill your needs and you would love it.

Alright, well I am curious then how that squares with what WilleB said on page one:

A true Joye 510 is 2.1-2.2Ω. 1.5A will give you about 3.3V. The battery pack you mention claims 1.8A output max, add a bit of resistance for your USB connectors and wires and you'll probably end up at about 3.7V. It may be fine for the knock-off 510 users (3+Ω).

What he said gave me the impression that because of additional resistance added from USB connectors, cables, etc, (after the regulator) that a true 5v is not typically delivered to the atomizer, and that it is often substantially less. All I know is my 5v USB PT is giving me what I want, and it is hooked up to my computer USB port. I don't even have a wall adapter yet to compare the two. (Remember, new at this- only a month or so).

But thanks all for the help in understanding the ins and outs of this.
 

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All I know is my 5v USB PT is giving me what I want, and it is hooked up to my computer USB port. I don't even have a wall adapter yet to compare the two. (Remember, new at this- only a month or so).

In that case, you are most likely not getting the full potential of your 5V PT. You really should get a wall adapter, not only for improved performance, but for your computer's safety. Here's one source: (currently out of stock, but should probably be available soon) http://www.madvapes.com/2-amp-AC-to-USB-Adapter-ideal-for-Passthroughs_p_2357.html
or for the car: (and in stock)
http://www.madvapes.com/2-amp-Car-to-USB-Adapter_p_2358.html

Is it possible that we can establish in this thread what the longest lasting portable solution AT 2+ AMPS is at the moment, that is available right now in the market? I don't care who's right or wrong, let's just find the sucker and be done with it. SO I CAN ORDER ONE! :vapor:
But it is prudent to keep eyes open and share the news about new products...

The one Chev327Fox linked to looks like your best bet for now. But just keep in mind that "the longest lasting" will be directly proportionate to it's size/bulk/weight.
 
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But just keep in mind that "the longest lasting" will be directly proportionate to it's size/bulk/weight.

Yes, of course, which is why I was pretty stoked when I saw the dimensions of the unit in the OP, and now the 8800 mAh unit. These things are surprisingly small, and totally portable- about the size of yours. But seriously, 8800 mAh? 2 AMPS stock with a 2.5 mod available? Pretty worthy of mentioning, I would say- but not when you got to order 500 of them!

WHY is it that China right now is kicking everyone's butts in the battery world? Oh yeah, I forgot, they own everything. :(
 

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Yes, of course, which is why I was pretty stoked when I saw the dimensions of the unit in the OP, and now the 8800 mAh unit. These things are surprisingly small, and totally portable- about the size of yours. But seriously, 8800 mAh? 2 AMPS stock with a 2.5 mod available? Pretty worthy of mentioning, I would say- but not when you got to order 500 of them!

WHY is it that China right now is kicking everyone's butts in the battery world? Oh yeah, I forgot, they own everything. :(

Keep in mind that mAh ratings are like penis sizes and number of sexual partners - they are almost always exaggerated. The Chinese are particularly notorious for this. (the mAh thing, not (necessarily) the other two)

There's NO WAY any device has a true mAh rating even twice that of my Kensington and is the same size - it's impossible. Total guess, but that thing from your OP is probably around a true 2000mAh based on the size, and that's being generous. And as for the "8800 mAh" one you mentioned later, it's probably around 3 times as big and an actual 6000 mAh, if that.
 
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Keep in mind that mAh ratings are like penis sizes and number of sexual partners - they are almost always exaggerated. The Chinese are particularly notorious for this. (the mAh thing, not (necessarily) the other two)

There's NO WAY any device has a true mAh rating even twice that of my Kensington and is the same size - it's impossible. Total guess, but that thing you were looking at is probably 3 times as big as a Kensington, and probably around a true 6000mAh.

Well, in a few more posts, I'll show you the picture of the 8800 they sent me! (Still too new to post pics). The thing's like 3.5 to 4" long by 3" wide and about 1/2" deep (roughly). Not much bigger than a business card (although much thicker). Never say never my friend- technology flies.
 
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