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[Adntigger710]

I'm about to put my order in with Umba, does anyone have a referral coupon code?

Also, quick question: if I vape 3mg reg nic, would that be the same with WTA? Or maybe I should rephrase. I can ONLY vape 3mg nic (higher makes me cough.) Would I have a hard time with WTA at 3mg? I've read that it has a hit, and I've also read that it's got a different "kind" of hit. Just wondering what I might be able to expect in this regard. I note Gerry said he found reg vs WTA mg to be different but he didn't mention hit specifically.

Further, in your opinion, is such a low mg content going to even do anything differently than reg nic (since the alkaloids are also lower in quantity?) Has anyone here used just 3mg WTA and found it helpful? I plan on buying the 24mg and mixing down like Scott mentioned he was going to try (if I'm not mistaken), so I can increase if I'm able.

 

[tgs3]

My recent experience with umbavape has not been good. Waited almost a month and they sent 3mg liquid rather then what I ordered - 12mg. Totally unreliable outfit That's it for me.

 

[ilporcupine]

It has a bacon aroma that just won't fade with steeping. I've got 60ml, but don't think i'll get myself so far to try again soon....

Quoting Homer S: MMMMMMMMMmmmBACON!!! You say that like it's a negative...

 

[Fredman1]

You say that like it's a negative...

Yeah i'm sorry to say, but for me its a straight out negative. It just tastes bad....!
When you taste WTA from Aroma, it dawns on you that this stuff can't be WTA. What exactly it is I don't know, but its not WTA...at least not as it supposed to be.

Has anyone here used just 3mg WTA

I've had Aroma's 6mg sub ohm WTA. Properly felt its affect to...You might try that and if need be you can cut with pg/vg to 3mg. You are going to loose alkaloids though....

 

[gerrymi]

My recent experience with umbavape has not been good. Waited almost a month and they sent 3mg liquid rather then what I ordered - 12mg. Totally unreliable outfit

WOW tgs...interesting (but, I guess, not surprising) how 2 people can have 2 totally different experiences...

I've put in (so far) 3 orders with Umbavape...all took 2 days (sic) to 5 days to arrive...and ALL were exactly as ordered...

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[gerrymi]

if I vape 3mg reg nic, would that be the same with WTA?

tigger...I can only report my results of course...

My usual (satisfying) e-juice is 6mg-nicotine. When I try to move up to 9mg-nicotine...I get nauseous and light-headed...

Aroma was the first WTA I ran across and...after trying their different strengths...am QUITE satisfied with their 24mg-WTA...

When I then (later) ran across Umbavape...I started with their 24mg-WTA...but it was too strong (nauseous and light-headed) for me...

After experimenting...I found that Umbavabe's 24mg-WTA (base) plus 12mg-WTA (flavored) at a 1:1 mixture = 18mg-WTA gave me the same increased mental clarity and energy that Aroma's 24mg-WTA does...

(If interested...yesterday I posted a comparison between Aroma, Umbavape and Omvapors:

Tootle Puffers, Part Three! (The Sequel of the Redux) )

[In thinking about it...since you're at 3mg-nicotine...(and I'm happy with 6mg-nicotine)...I'd guess a good place to start would be at one-half the mg-WTA that I found enjoyable.]

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[rollersk4te]

Anybody tried Sticky from Umba?
It sounds promising to me ...

I got the Cookies & Milk flavor (Cartoons) and I was not very happy with the level of flavor AT ALL. Very weak stuff. All the great reviews of their WTA has got me to try ordering some unflavored, but I will not be buying one of their regular e-liquids again. It should be noted that I typically buy e-liquid with two extra shots of flavor... and they do not provide an option for stronger flavor in their bottles.

 

[Fredman1]

I'm over the massive hype around Umba's marketing and price structure. For me their liquids don't live up to their marketing campaign they have going.
I have bought loads of their products and the only one I can vape is the unflavoured. Even that I don't bother with anymore. I don't taste any tobacco or more important WTA in it...!
I want to say it again. I don't know what they have in there, but it is NOT WTA....uh uh

 

[bussdriver]

My opinion: I'm on the fence about WTA and don't believe it lives up to the hype.

Tried Aroma. Ordered a ready-made juice at 6 mg and an unflavored at 36 mg with the idea I would dilute and flavor it myself. The 6 mg. juice had such a throat hit it was almost unvapeable; hard to believe it was only 6 mg/ml, but hey, maybe the flavor did it??? Tried the 36 mg/ml unflavored in VG. That stuff I could vape straight. 36 mg should back me up against the wall with a subohm device. I came to the conclusion that they were dyslexic and confused my ordered mg levels.

Tried Umbavapes. Got a big bottle of 6 mg with the intention of just adding a little flavor. Can't really tell that it is or it isn't...........whatever. Seems like I just bought a bottle of 6 mg of regular unleaded; can't really locate the premium.

I think next I will try the nic salts. Supposed to be light on the throat hit, but fast on the uptake making it similar to a stinky. Up to this point, I've yet to see any benefit/difference between WTA and regular nic. YMMV.

 

[Fredman1]

Tried Aroma. Ordered a ready-made juice at 6 mg and an unflavored at 36 mg with the idea I would dilute and flavor it myself. The 6 mg. juice had such a throat hit it was almost unvapeable; hard to believe it was only 6 mg/ml, but hey, maybe the flavor did it??? Tried the 36 mg/ml unflavored in VG. That stuff I could vape straight. 36 mg should back me up against the wall with a subohm device. I came to the conclusion that they were dyslexic and confused my ordered

Sounds like you've been the unfortunate victim of a label switch...it happens. Speak to Jerry. He's the most accomodating vendor I know. He knows his stuff and will set you right, I guarantee you that.
As an aside...some people only need nicotine...some WTA....depends how you were wired in the making...

 

[bussdriver]

Truthfully, I'm just not too concerned. I figure it's just one of the curves in the road of life. It's actually kind of fun just trying to figure out what the hell happened! Jerry don't owe me nothin', but I'm happy that he's there to make things right. Thanks.

 

[Fredman1]

Well I have to get this off my chest now...
I've been racking my little brain for a while now trying to think what exactly is in Umba's unflavoured liquid. Today I filled my Kayfun Prime with it and sat down vaping it on TC continuously. I wanted to see how long I could go before I get the satisfying feeling.
With Aroma I get the feeling I had enough when I drip 15 drops in my dripper.
I did that with Umba but to no avail.
I eventually emptied the prime in about half an hour. I can go for another load to be honest.
Like I said up thread, there is no WTA taste to it..not even a tobacco taste, come to think of it.
My best guess is its nothing but a pg/vg with some light flavouring and nic salts, because it is smoother than a regular 12mg.
I'm absolutely convinced there is no WTA in there...!!!

 

[stols001]

I disagree but I think the only way to find out would be to test it. I'd love it if we had a member with the capacity to do that. It's truly the only way to know for sure.

I will say there are clear and visible differences between the two, but that may simply mean that Umbavapes uses a different process, and one that doesn't suit every vaper.

I will say I prefer Aroma's WTA, but the price differential is pretty harsh, although I will also say there are times you get what you pay for.

I've been moderately to completely satisfied with Umbavape, but again, I'm not using WTA too often. Etc.

Anna

 

[Adntigger710]

tigger...I can only report my results of course...

My usual (satisfying) e-juice is 6mg-nicotine. When I try to move up to 9mg-nicotine...I get nauseous and light-headed...

Aroma was the first WTA I ran across and...after trying their different strengths...am QUITE satisfied with their 24mg-WTA...

When I then (later) ran across Umbavape...I started with their 24mg-WTA...but it was too strong (nauseous and light-headed) for me...

After experimenting...I found that Umbavabe's 24mg-WTA (base) plus 12mg-WTA (flavored) at a 1:1 mixture = 18mg-WTA gave me the same increased mental clarity and energy that Aroma's 24mg-WTA does...

(If interested...yesterday I posted a comparison between Aroma, Umbavape and Omvapors:

Tootle Puffers, Part Three! (The Sequel of the Redux) )

[In thinking about it...since you're at 3mg-nicotine...(and I'm happy with 6mg-nicotine)...I'd guess a good place to start would be at one-half the mg-WTA that I found enjoyable.]

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Wow, really helpful replies everyone, thank you!

@gerrymi -- if you normally vape 6mg, what made you try 24mg WTA? Was it a strong throat hit? I'd be afraid to even try something that high, lol. I read that since it contains nic we should just mix WTA in at the same strength, is that not the case? I thought I read that you (can) increase the mg strength with salts but WTA would be about the same as you normally vape.

So interesting to see the differing results. Fred is convinced Umba is not WTA, Gerry feels like it's actually stronger than Aroma's (but I wonder if this could be attributed to incorrect nic strength on bottle and not necessarily WTA strength/quality), and if I'm not mistaken @stols001 felt it was just slightly less effective than Aroma. In fact she just replied while I was drafting this, so that was helpful This is a huge example of "your mileage may vary." I wonder if Fred is onto something -- has anyone compared Umba to nic salt directly to see if they get the same (or close to) results?

I think I'm going to try both Umba and Aroma and see what I can extract from the experiment myself as well.

As for Umba's customer service and shipping issues, there was a pretty lengthy explanation on Reddit from their partner, Om. It's a good read, it also explains their relationship with Umba. TLDR: Om handles Umba's production and shipping. Ben, owner of Umba, handles CS and Marketing for Umba himself. He had a sale without talking to Om about production, chaos ensued. They've apparently just upgraded equipment, software, and procedures, etc, and are in talks with Ben to hand over Umba's CS to OM as well, so seems it'll get better (they are reporting it already has.) Ben seems to have his hands full already and just had twins, so he needs the break lol. We'll see how quickly/slowly my order is sent.

Having seen this, though, I would have to think the WTA from both Om and Umba are from the same source. Om is having a massive 75% off e-liquids sale right now, so maybe I'll try some of that as well. The unflavored WTA isn't part of the sale (bummer), but I'll consider grabbing something. @Archane compared Aroma to Om a while back and said "Not a huge difference between the two, but i can definitely say without a doubt that they both work for me." So, excited to try everything myself!

Since I have to grab pre-flavored -- can anyone confirm/recommend the strength I should get? I'm not "satisfied" with 3mg, it's just the highest I can vape without coughing (though that may change with WTA, who knows). So if throat hit is the same or worse with WTA then I'll have to stick with 3mg (or dilute it.) Gerry is vaping much higher WTA so I'm a bit worried if I'll be able to use high enough strength for it to work for me.

I think, at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is if you like it and it works for you. But I do think that peer reviews matter -- if something is a total scam or doesn't work at all we definitely need to know about it. In this particular case, the reviews are so different I think I'll just have to try them all myself. =)

 

[Adntigger710]

Oh I also just noticed I received my coupon to share from Umba. 50% off your order, expires May 2nd. I think I've made enough posts to post a link so here you go: 50% off at Umbavape. I've tried it in a couple of different browsers and I think it's just generating this code, so you can try this: FRIEND-PZJVZ5S . I didn't have one available to me for my order, but TASTE33 did work (for the tastemaker WTA). This brings the cost of a 120ml bottle of 24mg (or whatever you choose) WTA to $15. Not bad! I'm sure there's a good place on here to share this with people who are looking for it, I'll go find it lol. Edit: yeah, I don't really know where a good place to share this might be. Any suggestions? =)

 

[Rossum]

I'd love it if we had a member with the capacity to do that.

You'd need to gave GC/MS testing done. Nude Nicotine could do it; they have most if not all the minor alkaloids in their list of Analytes, but it's $50 for per sample for each Analyte, so $200-300 for each sample depending on exactly what you wanted them to test for.

 

[Fredman1]

I disagree but I think the only way to find out would be to test it. I'd love it if we had a member with the capacity to do that. It's truly the only way to know for sure.

I agree Anna. Been thinking about the same thing for a while now. WTA being what it is, makes sense that one day its content could maybe be on the label, so we can see whether it is within the parameters of a real WTA. That standard has yet to be set. Maybe @DVap can do that for the FDA...
As for now, all I have to go on about what exactly a well extracted WTA is, is my logic and taste buds.
When used side by side the two differ vastly and Umba don't come close.
I'm not trying to bash Umba. I'm very much all for multiple WTA manufacturers, but they have to compete on quality. There have been other ones in the past....some better than others, but they all were on the expensive side, and there is a reason for it. One thing i've learnt from the old threads from back in 2009, when WTA was still in the developing stage, is it is NOT a cheap process to do...if its done well.
Cheap WTA just don't makes sense to me....!
This is how I weigh a good WTA...I took a screen shot from a post by DVap, the developer of WTA...

Have to say, I get it clearly from Aroma, but I don't get that from Umba...at all.

 

[ZenCloud79]

I just ordered 2 120ml unflavored 24mg wta from umba, hopefully its not as bad as it sounds. The last two days ive been testing some same strength from aroma in a latakia sunset virginia pyramid blend i made at 3mg. Using a .5 subohm, 4 big puffs and my head gets all tingly , then the magic purple elephant reminds me "cigs are bad, arnt you glad you dont smoke anymore."

 

[Fredman1]

I just ordered 2 120ml unflavored 24mg wta from umba, hopefully its not as bad as it sounds.

It'll be interesting to hear what it does for you. Plz report back

 

[gerrymi]

@gerrymi -- if you normally vape 6mg, what made you try 24mg WTA?

Well...tigger...for me...I chose the 24mg-WTA just based on its cost...

After reading about WTA...and deciding I wanted to, at least, try it...I went to Aroma...

Their 6mg, 12mg and 24mg-WTA juices were all priced the same...so since it was somewhat expensive...I figured I'd order their most mg/ml juice...with the idea I could always "dilute" it if needed...

Turned out (luckily?) that I was quite happy with their 24mg-WTA...(and it proved, to me, that Xmg-WTA is completely different from Xmg-nicotine)...

Then...I ran across @stols001 mention of Umba's WTA...

I, of course, started with Umba's 24mg-WTA...but it made me mildly nauseous/light-headed. So after some experimentation I found that Umbavabe's 24mg-WTA (base) plus 12mg-WTA (flavored) at a 1:1 mixture = 18mg-WTA...gave me the exact same mental clarity and energy that Aroma's had...

I think I'll just have to try them all myself. =)

In the end...that's the only way, really, you'll be able to find what's best...for you...

[Worst case scenario...after spending $30 you find that you're NOT in the group that LOVES their WTA... = 3 days of ashes in my old ashtrays...and you'll be able to save all the time you'd spend in further perusing WTA threads.]

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