University of Kentucky strikes again!

[sonicdsl]

This is getting ridiculous! University of Kentucky Once Again Chooses Agenda Over Truth | Ecig Advanced News

After a 26-page letter to the president of UK from CASAA, they are still spouting lies and half-truths!!

 

[Fazed]

Good old UK. At least they are consistent.

 

[Bill Godshall]

Its interesting that the UK President urged people to report violators of the tobacco usage ban (so the university can help that person).

Cannot wait to find out what the University is planning to do with or to alleged policy violators.

If the violator is a member of the faculty or an enrolled student, the University could probably impose punitive sanctions (e.g. a scolding by Ellen Hahn, mandatory tobacco treatment classes, being put on probabation or fired, being suspensed/expellsed from school), any of which could create an unfavorable reaction if the public found out.

But if alleged violators simply deny using an e-cigarette or smokeless tobacco (or even a cigarette), I don't see how the university could impose sanctions against the alleged violator. And if that occurred, the alleged violator could have a potential lawsuit (e.g. unlawful search and seizure, no evidence, or violating civil liberties).

If the violator is a university staff represented by a labor union, the labor union might be able to sue the university (as that's what occurred in PA after the PA State Agency for Higher Education, which runs 15 state owned universities, banned smoking at all campuses back in 2008). The PA labor relations board and the PA court ruled that PA State Agency for Higher education violated the collective bargaining agreement by issuing that policy without consent of affected labor unions.

If the violator(s) is(are) not affiliated with UK, there's really nothing the university can do.

I suspect that the UK doesn't have a policy against alcohol use on campus.

Can you imagine someone being cited for using an e-cigarette or smokeless tobacco at a UK football game as thousands of drunk spectators continue drinking at the stadium.

 

[Fazed]

If the violator(s) is(are) not affiliated with UK, there's really nothing the university can do.

I have been "busted" by security for vaping (I was reported by someone unbeknownst to me), and they told me it wasn't allowed. I played dumb. Nothing happened.

I suspect that the UK doesn't have a policy against alcohol use on campus.

They do, although it's not really enforced. I work on the ambulance that serves campus and I'm usually up all night in the dorms dealing with drunk students. BTW, I hate puke!

Can you imagine someone being cited for using an e-cigarette or smokeless tobacco at a UK football game as thousands of drunk spectators continue drinking at the stadium.

I vape at the football games all the time. People smoke right in front of the no smoking signs inside the stadium as well. There is a heavy police and security presence at the games, and to my knowledge, nothing is ever said... At least the warnings aren't headed if they are being given.

 

[Petrodus]

I vape at the football games all the time. People smoke right in front of the no smoking signs inside the stadium as well. There is a heavy police and security presence at the games, and to my knowledge, nothing is ever said... At least the warnings aren't headed if they are being given.

 

[mwplefty]

I thought that Kentucky was conservative. The hell is going on?

 

[mwplefty]

That entire FAQ section is a joke. People will smoke as their walking outdoors from class to class, in parking garages/lots, in bus shelters, and most certainly in their cars. And yes, they will be using chew, snus, and snuff not only in their on-campus residences but in class as well. Vapers will still vape inside.

Did anyone notice how they are offering nicotine gum and patches at a discount? That's enough to tell me right there that UK were bought.

 

[rothenbj]

Before my retirement, I worked for a major Pharma Co. at the Division Level where smoking was prohibited indoors. However at Corporate, it was a campus ban. A couple of us had meetings there which lasted all day. Needless to say the nic withdraw hit after a couple hours of meetings. The breaks weren't long enough to think about driving off campus to catch a smoke so we figured the best show was the parking garage where we could remain somewhat concealed.

I don't think we were out there for more than a minute when one of the senior executives showed up and joined us. He had been a divisional VP with us before he was promoted to Corporate and known to be a heavy smoker. The policy didn't slow him down any. We had a good catch up conversation and he told us to catch our smokes there when we needed them. He also told us to let anyone that might harass us that they should call his office if they had any concerns. Nobody ever bothered us.

 

[sonicdsl]

Its interesting that the UK President urged people to report violators of the tobacco usage ban (so the university can help that person).

Cannot wait to find out what the University is planning to do with or to alleged policy violators.

If the violator is a member of the faculty or an enrolled student, the University could probably impose punitive sanctions (e.g. a scolding by Ellen Hahn, mandatory tobacco treatment classes, being put on probabation or fired, being suspensed/expellsed from school), any of which could create an unfavorable reaction if the public found out.

But if alleged violators simply deny using an e-cigarette or smokeless tobacco (or even a cigarette), I don't see how the university could impose sanctions against the alleged violator. And if that occurred, the alleged violator could have a potential lawsuit (e.g. unlawful search and seizure, no evidence, or violating civil liberties).

If the violator is a university staff represented by a labor union, the labor union might be able to sue the university (as that's what occurred in PA after the PA State Agency for Higher Education, which runs 15 state owned universities, banned smoking at all campuses back in 2008). The PA labor relations board and the PA court ruled that PA State Agency for Higher education violated the collective bargaining agreement by issuing that policy without consent of affected labor unions.

If the violator(s) is(are) not affiliated with UK, there's really nothing the university can do.

I suspect that the UK doesn't have a policy against alcohol use on campus.

Can you imagine someone being cited for using an e-cigarette or smokeless tobacco at a UK football game as thousands of drunk spectators continue drinking at the stadium.

They should ban coffee as well since it has that "addictive caffeine". What if a kid sees you drinking coffee and tries to emulate that behavior?!? Save the children!!

 

[Placebo Effect]

The language about e-cigarettes in the FAQ appears to be either (a) old language written by UK and later adopted by other colleges or (b) old language used by another school and copied by UK.

https://www.google.com/search?q="ma...cp.r_qf.&fp=5137c224b1c5d39b&biw=1067&bih=504

 

[sonicdsl]

The language about e-cigarettes in the FAQ appears to be either (a) old language written by UK and later adopted by other colleges or (b) old language used by another school and copied by UK.

https://www.google.com/search?q="ma...cp.r_qf.&fp=5137c224b1c5d39b&biw=1067&bih=504

I'm sure BP, or someone equally sinister, sends out recommended guidelines for schools to use in drafting their policies!

 

[Petrodus]

 

[Vocalek]

Petrodus: And at the same time as they started pushing down to younger and younger ages the practice of homework assignments from rather large and weighty books, the schools outlawed book bags that have wheels on them. Tote that barge! Lift that bale! Wonder how many 6- and 7-year olds have back injuries.


Is my child's backpack too heavy?

 

[Kweb]

As a teacher and vaper I can tell you that 99.999% of bans come from parent pressure.

 

[sonicdsl]

As a teacher and vaper I can tell you that 99.999% of bans come from parent pressure.

Gotta protect the kids! Save the children!!

BTW, I have a 9-yr-old nephew, so I love the kids, just think people have gone WAY overboard on some of these things!

 

[Petrodus]

As a teacher and vaper I can tell you that 99.999% of bans come from parent pressure.

No argument ...
But I do hold those accountable for "Caving-In" and appeasing Whiners
It is possible to say NO We Ain't Going to Ban
I know its not Politically Correct ...

 

[TinyTimberGal]

The biggest WTF for me is why they don't go after flavored alcohol (or alcohol in general)? Talk about a double standard.

 

[Kweb]

The biggest WTF for me is why they don't go after flavored alcohol (or alcohol in general)? Talk about a double standard.

I'm totally with you there. Those UV flavors are insane. UV Grape and lemonade tastes exactly like Purplesaurus Rex Kool Aid.

 

[TennDave]

Parent groups can be insane.
Last week, I had to go to an elementary school to work with a kindergartener.
When I was finished, I had 10 minutes to drive to my next school to work with another kiddo and needed to leave school grounds quickly or I would miss my window of opportunity. As I was pulling out of the parking lot, the bell rang and kid dismissal began. Parent volunteers had set up cones to keep cars from crossing the parking lot and onto the main road. I pleaded with the parent volunteers, even showing them my identification to let me through, but they told me that it was a strict rule that they were enforcing- that no cars were to be let through until all of the children had left. Kids weren't even in the vicinity yet and it would have been easy for them to let me through before the kids came out of the school building. I had to sit and wait 30 minutes in my car until all kids were gone. Needless to say, I missed my chance to work with a child who desperately needed me to.

 

[Bill Godshall]

An editorial in yesterday's UK Kernel (which appears to be the student newspaper). Seems like Ellen Hahn and the Univeristy of Kentucky have done little or nothing to enforce the smoking ban outdoors on campus.
http://....rnel.com/2012/09/17/kernel-editorial-smoking-ban-remains-many-words-and-few-actions/