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Urgent message from Gregory Conley, President of American Vaping Association...

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  1. Andromendous

    Andromendous Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 12, 2014
    Oklahoma, USA
    Urgent message from Gregory Conley, President of American Vaping Association...

    Via Gregory Conley
    *Please share this in vapor circles (you'll likely need to copy and paste the below message to do so) *

    Over the next 27 months, there are going to be a lot of well-meaning (but ultimately dangerous) people that are going to try to promote events asking vapers to protest at the FDA, White House, Congress, etc.

    Unless it is an effort that major advocacy groups are involved with, I strongly encourage you to not to participate in these events (and urge others to focus their efforts in more productive places). There are numerous potential problems with such an event, especially one that is hastily thrown together with no real plan.

    Additionally,I want to even more strongly urge vapers not to fall for PR traps, like the FDA saying they'll allow you to "interview" them. It will not turn out good. At all.

    When such an event is proposed, please look into the person hosting the event. Is he or she really a positive representative of the vaping community?

    Sincerely,
    Gregory Conley
    President -- American Vaping Association
     
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  2. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    I think if about a thousand of the cloud fraternity got together and smogged out
    a large swath of a major metropolitan area including gamma's,babies and, the flora
    and fauna once it was realized that gamma and babies were just fine,the birds were
    still chirping in the tree's and the flowers were not all wilted as if the were hosed
    down with roundup,maybe,just maybe that might figure out that second hand vape
    ain't going to hurt you.

    Note to cloud fraternity, use cake flavored juice. I know that may be cheating
    and against international treaties but, who doesn't like cake?:)
    Regards
    Mike
     
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  3. 7sixtwo

    7sixtwo Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 5, 2013
    the hinterlands
    Who the hell is this guy to tell others not to exercise their First Amendment rights? He doesn't even give any specific reasons for this self-censorship he advocates.

    Piss off, Gregory.
     
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  4. Andromendous

    Andromendous Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 12, 2014
    Oklahoma, USA
    He has good reasons, if you watch the pbusardo video they kinda talk about the same thing

    Edit: Spell check
     
  5. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
    He represents interests of vaping business.
     
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  6. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
    It is exactly why vaping business does not want your "support".
     
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  7. charly1954

    charly1954 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 13, 2013
    Logan, Indiana

    I agree, WTH does this guy mean do NOT PROTEST all the laws/regulations the FDA, White House, Congress, etc. are trying to pass.

    We need to protest and this guy(Greg) sound like a Anti-Vaper to me.
     
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  8. Pamawoman

    Pamawoman Too Blessed To Stress ECF Veteran

    Jul 14, 2012
    Orlando
    It's all about the PR aspects of vaping. If you watch the new suck my mod video he talks about this. We need to be united. And he is not talking about local and state protests just Federal protests.
     
  9. 7sixtwo

    7sixtwo Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 5, 2013
    the hinterlands
    Yeah, I looked up the AVA and checked out the website. I wasn't particularly impressed.
     
  10. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    ???? Does the vaping business like my money?
    Regards
    mike
     
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  11. 7sixtwo

    7sixtwo Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 5, 2013
    the hinterlands
    If he has good reasons, he should state them. Just saying "don't protest, cause it might not look good" is ridiculous. We're well past that namby-pamby approach, at this point.
     
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  12. 7sixtwo

    7sixtwo Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 5, 2013
    the hinterlands
    He's not anti-vaper, just weak and ineffective.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need activism. Mr. Conley's brand of polite "advocacy" has accomplished jack squat, and is actively ignored by entities like the FDA.
     
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  13. Andromendous

    Andromendous Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 12, 2014
    Oklahoma, USA
    Watch this video. It is long but if anyone gives two craps about the future of vaping they can find the time


    From what i gathered its not time yet for crowds and protests. If all ells fails then there is the time. What we need to do right now is push for the bishop cole amendment, help the lawsuits and spread the truth. Going and yelling and blowing clouds on the doorsteps of the Whitehouse will not help right now.

    Again im no politician or lawyer, but i do know one thing. Its all about perception, We need to be ADULTS, be PROPER and ATTACK this with a very organized and grown up approach. When it comes to courts, federal, government, they are not gonna listen to "{Moderated} FDA"

    We need to be seen as a legitimate business/ culture, not just a bunch of kids with a hobby

    If you say {Moderated} to that last statement then I do not want you supporting vaping.
     
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  14. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
    No, not "quite long" but unacceptably long. When I started with vaping I tried to watch some of Busadro's videos, but never been able to finish them. Too long, too diluted. So, I ignore them.
    While blowing clouds definitely will not help, going and yelling may help (learn from others, such as ...)
     
  15. 7sixtwo

    7sixtwo Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 5, 2013
    the hinterlands
    I've already seen the video, thanks.

    Protests don't need to be "managed from the top", nor should they be artificially limited in number.
     
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  16. Wruff

    Wruff Super Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 21, 2014
    Vapeville, USA
    I vape, and this Greg guy is not my vaping president.
     
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  17. Bad Ninja

    Bad Ninja Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 26, 2013
    God's Country
    Yea us poor dumb vapers are too easily brainwashed and manipulated.
    Stand aside and let Greg and his professional organization handle it.
    o_O

    Greg seems to want his group to dictate the narrative.


    Dear Greg,
    For some of us, this isnt our first rodeo.
    Your rudimentary PR skills assure me that you are painfully unqualified to lead the fight against the FDAs criminal attempt to hijack the industry.

    How about you specifically listing the actions your group has taken on our behalf?

    Thanks,
    A.Vaper.
     
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  18. mattymatt82

    mattymatt82 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 14, 2012
    Kansas City
    They are long, but I love Busardo's videos.
     
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  19. Andromendous

    Andromendous Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 12, 2014
    Oklahoma, USA
    You must not have watched very hard. They point out your exact statement.


    People. I don't know about this guy. I know there are some that are trying to lead this fight and control every aspect of it. I dont think hes one, but i could be wrong. I think, these people are just trying to help. Take it for what you will.

    You see. This is the whole problem. All I've heard already in this thread is, nope don't want him, tell him to piss off. The MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO IS FIGHT THIS THING TOGETHER AND STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER, IF YOU EVER WANT TO BUY A NEW MOD AGAIN THAN STOP BEATING UP EACHOTHER AND COME TOGETHER FOR .... SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  20. Bad Ninja

    Bad Ninja Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 26, 2013
    God's Country
    Voting is the only power we have.
    Voting and writing your representatives, using your vote to influence political office is the only answer.

    Any group or person trying to control the narrative or pushing any action other than voting has an agenda and shouldnt be trusted.

    Gregory has an agenda.
    He isnt exlerienced enough to hide it.
     
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