US NAVY BANS E-Cigs....

[SheerLuckHolmes]

Let's not jump to conclusions here. He said he would get back to us after his 1300 meeting. Let's wait and get all the information. Could just be on his base, could be a lot of things.

When the government announced that they were going to ban cigarettes, there was an outcry across the nation, particularly from vets, "You can die for us, but you can't have a cigarette."

Last I heard that effort failed. This should be no different. I hope! But, again, let's wait for the whole scoup and see, before going crazy.

 

[keyzygirl]

They wont even let me ride an electric bike on my base.Dont hold your breath.

 

[grimmer255]

They wont even let me ride an electric bike on my base.Dont hold your breath.

are they still doing that.... jeesh they love to take away personal freedom as much as they can.... I guess they would rather see you run or physically pedal down the street.

 

[Proverb]

That's just awful! Hate to see protocol drive someone back to smoking.

Hopefully though it's due to being a security issue and not a health related issue. I know some of the mods out there definitely look a bit shady from far away, and in such secure place, they may cause trouble inadvertantly.

 

[grimmer255]

Let's not jump to conclusions here. He said he would get back to us after his 1300 meeting. Let's wait and get all the information. Could just be on his base, could be a lot of things.

When the government announced that they were going to ban cigarettes, there was an outcry across the nation, particularly from vets, "You can die for us, but you can't have a cigarette."

Last I heard that effort failed. This should be no different. I hope! But, again, let's wait for the whole scoup and see, before going crazy.

Oh I know and I bet its a bad reason to. I bet they'll say something like we dont know if these are okay to use. So now you cant use them. Its the order of the post general. You can not use electronic cigarettes. If you are caught using these ecigs you could be given a artical 15 for failure to follow orders. in this case it will be worse because Im betting its coming from higher up. in this case admiral or higher

 

[Zen_Brew]

Wow. I am a new member here and just became interested in e-cigarettes this week. It saddens me to see a product with so much promise being at risk of removal from the market just as I discover it.

I am really sadenned to read of the military potentially getting on board with banning this product also. Would they rather have their infantry men out of breath running between fox holes? Here's to hoping they reconsider.

 

[AngusATAT]

I certainly hope there is some sort of legal remedy to this. I know I would escalate the issue if it happened to me.

 

[j0ker]

And yeah, joker, I know. I did a stint Still sucks though. Part of the reason I ran and got my neck tattooed immediately upon walking out the gates the last time. Funny how our terminology aligned with *ahem* another sector of society.

How long you been in? When you get out? lol

Sent PM RKayne

 

[RobertY]

Guess they would rather have them on the BF light up an analog with a lighter or a match and run the risk of sniper fire. That is where the "three on a match is bad luck" got started. Safer not to smoke at all OR have a ecig with out the LED. No smoke to smell or light to see.

Makes no sense to me.

Waiting to see if the OP posts back results though.

 

[RobertY]

I just Googled "Navy bans electronic cigarettes" and the only relevant thing to come up was this thread. LOL!

 

[gooney0]

First off, thank you to those of you serving in the US military.

I'm hopeful that the Navy will look into the e-cig issue and devise a common sense policy.

"A new way to smoke" doesn't instantly seem like a good thing to me. I spent many hours in research before coming to the conclusion that e-cigs are really "A better alternative to smoking."

I hope cooler heads will prevail and follow the same path I (we) did.

One of the big reasons I ordered from Awesome vapor was his special offer of spare parts and fluid for those serving overseas.

I know that the military has to have special rules in order to function. I also believe that those that serve deserve our best, and as many freedoms and benefits as possible.

Good luck guys I hope it works out for you,

-Gooney0

 

[brownbrown4]

OK all, sorry for the delay... here's the story. Typical of the Government.

1st: Early this year our Commanding officer for our command gave the thumbs up on Vaping ANYWHERE in the command. (non smoker- Big fittness guy)

2nd: One section of our command Banned Vaping in their building( different jet platform).

3rd: Heavy rumors that Vaping will be secured(banned) in Government buildings.
But no word..

4th: Today in our command E-7 thru E-9 plus a marine officer have a meeting (not uncommon).
And it is put out (tentatively) that e-cigs are Banned from use...

5th: i asked "my" E-8 and he said no its just a rumor?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

6th: This rumor is running through other commands in the vicinity.

Soooo as of now, false alarm... But... it's getting a big deal around here....

All military people here, and prior military know.. that people jump the Gun and pass out crap info before its time... ]

v/r
BB

 

[brownbrown4]

That is horrible, what is the reasoning for them to do this?

LOl, my .... belongs to Uncle Sam (Kinda hehe)... they dont need a reason or a ryme.... it's Government my friend.... they do do some silly stuff....

 

[RIMP]

Yeah, rumor control But as a former military I also know you are considered govt property 24/7





RIMP

 

[brownbrown4]

I bet the "money for school" idea isn't looking so great anymore





Sorry had to throw it up there





what doesn't look like an ecig isn't an ecig

what is seen isn't "not allowed"

They are running out of $ for the School money! it was in the Navy times... they cant get the checks out.

 

[rocketvapor]

This sounds hinky to me. I spent 20+ years in the Air Force, and I can't imagine why they'd ban these. I can see restrictions on use around flight lines, buildings, etc., just like regular cigs, but this doesn't pass the sniff test.

Until we hear from the OP, I'll hold my tongue, but my first call would be to the JAG (Judge Advocate General) office on base to get the bottom line from the lawyers. If there's a ban, they'll know about it, because I guarantee that the base commander ran it up their flag pole first.

Furthermore, base ban or not, they normally can't confiscate things from you without cause. Cause in this case being a law that exists outside the base, in the general civilian community. This isn't always true, of course, as in the case of certain performance supplements that civilians can use but service people can't. In general, though, they can tell you that you can't USE it, but they usually can't tell you that you can't POSSESS it. Even if it's banned on base, they usually tell you to just take it home and not bring it back on base. Confiscating someone's personal possessions is a pretty steep step. Which brings me back to the JAG.

What base are you stationed at? I'd be happy to call the JAG and ask, and your name will never be mentioned. Either way, it's disstressing to see such a knee-jerk reaction from the flag ranks. In spite of all the snide jokes, my military commanders were (mostly) pretty reasonable people. I can honestly say that I didn't have to put up with much of this BS. Most of the time, they went out of their way to improve our quality of life, including recreational activities. But maybe I was just lucky!

 

[brownbrown4]

i think its kinda like the tobacco ban from before... just to see how much rumbling they get if they try it.

 

[brownbrown4]

What base are you stationed at? I'd be happy to call the JAG and ask, and your name will never be mentioned. Either way, it's disstressing to see such a knee-jerk reaction from the flag ranks. In spite of all the snide jokes, my military commanders were (mostly) pretty reasonable people. I can honestly say that I didn't have to put up with much of this BS. Most of the time, they went out of their way to improve our quality of life, including recreational activities. But maybe I was just lucky!

My CO is a LDO(limited duty officer) prior enlisted that worked their way up.... no Flag officers in my command.
But the BASE C.O. is a Flag officer. But it hasnt come through those line of communication...

As far as i know they havent gotten anyones e-cig. But when i was told that they wanted them. i SAID: "their not getting anything from me without Cold hard cash in my hand first, i paid for this with MY money" .

 

[quetzacoatl]

Dang man.....Those of you that may not be aware, the military has it's own laws. Doesn't matter if it's legal or not, if they say NO...then it's no!

Sorry to hear this!

I hate it, but you're exactly right. When you join the military, they own you. Quite literally. You don't do anything they don't give you permission to do, on or off base. You used to have to ask permission to get married if you were in.

So, even if e-cigarettes are legal, they can still tell you "no".

As far as Obama using e-cigarettes, I wouldn't count on it. He's completely detached from the people in the US just like the rest of US government is... the battle for e-cigarettes will never boil down to what the people want; it's about big pharma, big tobacco, and taxes.

 

[oldtechno]

Brownbrown; I got a couple tours in the Army. The last two years I was the NBCNCOIC...that nuclear,biological,chemical warfare,noncommissioned officer-- to you civilians.

Anyway, I would have thought the PG liquid in E-cigs would have been a big 'thumbs up' right across the board for both Air Force and Navy...after all, a lot of times they are in sealed compartments (pressurized and unpressurized) and a lot of those times breathing in canned air or at least filtered air.

I would have thought with PG's abilitly to kill airborne bacteria...it would have made the air more healthy.

Hmmm, I guess things have changed a lot.