US Vape Mail Ban - USPS/FedEx/UPS/DHL
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Don't forget the 'Hidden Addiction' !
The control freak politicians acting supposedly on behalf of the public's good and supposedly for your benefit, are also addicted to making money off of the vices they are trying to regulate and control.
Do you really think they could not completely shut down the USPS's delivery of vape products like they were supposedly going to do?
Sure they still might do it, but you can see how they are dragging their feet - When they realized the vape industry would still survive and a new group of private shippers would now be getting all those {probably millions of dollars in shipping costs} they had second thoughts - They might say they hate your habit but they still want your money !
They really don't want to lose the billions it would cost them to kill vaping and create another underground market they can not tax the hell out of.
I have to disagree... I believe the USPS is not foot dragging they are waiting on higher powers to discern "other sustances" as the "other" industry is strongly challenging this. The USPS has no power to do that.
I'm very doubtful they care about alternative shipping at all. Millions (if that) is nothing compared to the billions lost in tobacco tax revenues besides the fact a good amount of smaller businesses have stopped shipping or went out of business altogether.
They won't kill vaping, just the free enterprise part of it and deliver it into the hands of those they have been able to heavily tax and regulate. Those outsider entrepreneurs that survive the burden of this and the deeming will be taken care of by the States taxing anything ENDS related as a tobacco product, some States as we already see at crazy high unheard of amounts. Or by States not allowing shipping to their State.
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I left this thread 2 months ago and come back to find there is no vape mail ban. When is the vape mail ban suppose to happen?
Lets get my thread back on track! who has got some hard dates for me?
Lets get my thread back on track! who has got some hard dates for me?
For anyone who had been following my ongoing X delivery debacle, my tank finally arrived today. It was delivered by someone called Mercury Services. No idea how that happened.
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Thanks to @440BB for starting the first thread, but it got out of hand and was closed.
But this is an important topic and I believe we should have an active thread about it as it is still currently underway. And as events unfold (and possibly change) we should be discussing it.
Lets try this again without so much emotion and political beliefs such that it changes the thread's topic and deters other from participation. And maybe "reptilian shape shifters" might be better-off discussed on some other forum or in the "Outside" section of ECF.
And remember, this is a shipping ban, nothing to do with the FDA deeming regulations - there's a thread for that.
Effective dates for the following major carriers...
FedEx - March 1, 2021
DHL - March 1, 2021 (unclear)
UPS - April 5, 2021
USPS - after March 22, on the date the final rule is published, no later than April 26, 2021. There seems to be some major conflict among what various sources believe as to when this effective date will occur. However, it is for sure, as @440BB stated in the original thread, after March 22 and no later than April 26.
Note that all carriers accept USPS are not actually disallowed by law from transporting vape supplies, they volunteered not to, most likely for a combination of reasons - requirements are strict and probably not profitable (but politics most likely plays a role, too).
Here is a link to the legislation that was passed that made this shipping ban possible.
Text - S.1253 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Preventing Online Sales of E-Cigarettes to Children Act
Notice that all vape is being banned for shipment by USPS as it states "any other substance", not just nicotine vape.
All online retailers that have sent notice about this seem to be saying they will refuse to take new orders after March 22. The dates each retailer has set range from March 23 to March 27 from what I have seen, so time is running out fast to order supplies online.
There is talk by some of the larger retailers that they have secured a new carrier that will be focusing on major urban areas. It remains to be seen if it will fly and if it will be a viable solution.
After this, barring some other major nail in the coffin, where B&M stores cannot get inventory, the only way to get anything will be in a local B&M storefront, where selection will be limited and priced high, and it will be rare to find nic base stocked for DIY.
As @440BB said in the original thread... "Time is near to get creative or be fully stocked up!".
But we are getting too close now that you don't have much, if any, time to make an informed decision on what hardware to buy and stocks are running out. As far as atomizers go, rebuildable atomizers WILL be your salvation as we enter into the vapocalypse.
But if you have enough gear and/or if money is tight, you should focus on nicotine base so you can DIY your own juice, unless you prefer store bought juice and are willing to vape whatever your local vape shop has in stock at any given moment. A list of nicotine base and glass bottle suppliers can be found here...
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/ubs/list-of-usa-based-nicotine-base-vendors.17/
Please keep in mind that person to person (consumer to consumer aka C2C) shipments are still allowed but the current postal regulations severely restrict it. A summary of the C2C tobacco products postal regulations (well actually, only cigarettes and smokeless tobacco) (as I understand them) are as follows, but this could possibly change.
- Total package weight must be no more than 10 oz.
- Must be shipped using face-to-face service. In other words, must present package to postal worker at USPS counter. No pickups allowed. Proof of age and identity of sender must be verified with govt issued photo ID.
- Must be sent with "Express Mail" (I take this to mean Priority Express? - expensive, minimum $25 but more if Adult 21+ Signature service is required to be purchased - not clear on that. You will be paying retail rates since you have to buy this postage at the post office, so it might even be closer to $30+ all tolled just to ship one small package).
- Shipping label must bear real, full names of both shipper and recipient.
- Outside of package must be labeled with wording "PERMITTED TOBACCO MAILING – DELIVER ONLY TO AGE-VERIFIED ADULT OF LEGAL AGE"
- USPS will not deliver package to recipient. Package will be held at local post office for pickup and successful pickup will require proof of age and identity of recipient, verified with govt issued photo ID. Recipient must sign PS Form 3849.
- One person cannot mail more than 10 such shipments a 30-day period (meaning, you will likely be put in a database in order to track your identity and how many C2C tobacco product shipments you made in the last 30-days, which is why you have to ship it via a trip to the post office).
DMM Revision: Treatment of Cigarettes and Smokeless Tobacco as Nonmailable Matter
Mine updated on 5/9 that it was at carrier facility in my home town. Great! Except my hometown is less than 1300 people and you could roller skate backwards through the whole town in less than 10 minutes. There is no carrier facility of any kind here. I have e-mailed them twice for the address to this facility so I could just go pick it up which have been ignored. Thankfully I am stocked up so I won't have to deal with this outfit ever again.
Please contribute a little something more than just some googly eyes. It is really degrading the user value of my thread.ummm
Great, now my thread is even more useless.
Guys, this is not the place. Take it to OT or Outside. I would like my thread to be a resource for people who are actually concerned with the cut-off dates and whether there will be a transition to alternative shipping networks. So, please have some respect for the main purpose of my thread. Thanks.
What we are try politely to say is that your thread got closed down or moved to OUTSIDE. This thread was started by @UncleJunkle. Look at the thread title if you don't believe us.
I've never tried that... what will happen if I press that button?
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