Utah legislation

[deusXmchna]

This guy's a (R). Can't people shame him about the "nanny state" thing?

Big Pharma's contributed 22%+ of his "pie" the last 2 cycles. The largest single chunk in 2010 of came from Big Pharma.
Pfizer's a major contributor, 4%+ of the total "pie". Pfizer makes Chantix.

 

[jameth]

Why is it o.k. to bribe law makers, but a major offense to bribe law enforcers?

 

[maxx]

There is an issue that all these state bans run into when they start talking about internet sales. That's federal territory and falls under interstate commerce controls. As I understand it, a state can ban people from selling inside a state, but can't stop people from buying outside the state or online. Further...a business located inside a ban state is prohibited from selling to it's own people...but can sell out of state. This sort of bizarre situation occurs with fireworks. For example...it is illegal to sell fireworks in PA to PA citizens...but perfectly legal to sell them to out of state residents. Neighboring states have similar laws, so you have this stupid situation where PA residents go to other states to buy...and other states' residents come here to buy them.

Now I could be wrong....but one thing is certain...the feds will have a say on anything involving interstate commerce....

 

[bassthumper]

Screw this! I have family there and if this means they can't get their supplies I'll be ......!
Pffft I'll just have to get it for them they can't stop us!

 

[maxx]

I have a question for all the legal eagles....

All of these states attempting bans go after the sale of the stuff. None have tried to outlaw actual possession. This is good, of course...but curious as to why they haven't tried it yet? Do they run into legal trouble if they shoot for that?

 

[Turnkeys]

I have a question for all the legal eagles....

All of these states attempting bans go after the sale of the stuff. None have tried to outlaw actual possession. This is good, of course...but curious as to why they haven't tried it yet? Do they run into legal trouble if they shoot for that?

No legal expert here but I'll take a stab... enforcement. Other than PV's, other forms of smokeless tobacco products have no obvious way to observe usage, and we can stealth vape. Were it banned, without witnessing posession or usage, enforcement would have no reasonable cause for action.

Consider also the burden it'd place on enforcement agencies, and the NY Police Department's recent reply regarding NY's smoking ban. Liberals here in WA state want to legalize ......... for similar reasons, enforcement clogs up the system... that and they want to be able to tax it. Considering the current tax rates on analogs, imagine the rates on ........ products.

 

[Bill Godshall]

The answer to maxx's inquiry is that legislation to ban possession of e-cigs will be introduced only several years after the enactment of an unenforcable e-cig sales ban creates a huge black market. That's what happened with ......., alcohol and .......... The best way to prevent the introduction of e-cig possession ban legislation is to defeat ALL legislation that would ban e-cig sales.

 

[jameth]

I understand this forums policy on promoting drug use, but censoring the words of drugs themselves is a little excessive imho.

 

[Thulium]

Why is it o.k. to bribe law makers, but a major offense to bribe law enforcers?

Capitalism: The best government money can buy.

 

[mwa102464]

The major thing I don't understand about this whole thing is calling it an ecig and what happens once we take Nicotine out of the Ecig and equation all together, does it then become a personal vaporizer and can the Gov't tell us what we can and can't put into our mouth next ? Ya know, when its real cold outside and I take a big breath of fresh air and blow it out isn't that vapor doesn't everyone do this ? is that going to be illegal next, pretty soon where going to have to get the OK to breath and then have to pay tax on that too.! I know I know it's a bit different but you get the point.!

 

[deusXmchna]

can the Gov't tell us what we can and can't put into our mouth next ?

I think they've been doing that for quite some time

 

[MaxUT]

This guy's a (R). Can't people shame him about the "nanny state" thing?
Big Pharma's contributed 22%+ of his "pie" the last 2 cycles. The largest single chunk in 2010 of came from Big Pharma.
Pfizer's a major contributor, 4%+ of the total "pie". Pfizer makes Chantix.

Got anything specific in mind? It takes a lot to shame a ......

 

[Scootypuff]

I'm not sure if this has been addressed, but Utah is a typically Mormon state. These guys are against caffeine. Yeah. So, despite the fact that we have found a way to deliver nicotine in a mostly harmless way...they are still gonna be against it. They are pretty much against everything. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[afrazier5]

Yes it is a Mormon state and the vast majority of our government are also members of the church. Therefore their personal religious beliefs spill over to the laws. However on the caffeine, they are against HOT caffeine but not all caffeine. So no coffee but they do drink coke and pepsi. What's funny is you get these guys away from their wards (churches) and members of said, then they will be as 'sinful' as the rest of us. I can't tell you how many I have been with that will drink, smoke and even participate in really 'naughty' parties. What's also the most ironic is the state owns and runs all liquor stores in the state yet the state is run by 'good' church going members who are strongly against alcohol too.

But this is what I was told was the reason it is taking CASAA so long to organize as they have to word everything in such a manner to fight the fight without insulting the religious beliefs.

 

[Rosco]

Yes it is a Mormon state and the vast majority of our government are also members of the church. Therefore their personal religious beliefs spill over to the laws. However on the caffeine, they are against HOT caffeine but not all caffeine. So no coffee but they do drink coke and pepsi. What's funny is you get these guys away from their wards (churches) and members of said, then they will be as 'sinful' as the rest of us. I can't tell you how many I have been with that will drink, smoke and even participate in really 'naughty' parties. What's also the most ironic is the state owns and runs all liquor stores in the state yet the state is run by 'good' church going members who are strongly against alcohol too.

But this is what I was told was the reason it is taking CASAA so long to organize as they have to word everything in such a manner to fight the fight without insulting the religious beliefs.

If this thread is going to turn into remarks about ones religious beliefs, then move it to the religion area, or close it.
Good grief, you end up acting just like who you are contending with.

 

[Thulium]

Q: Why should you always bring two Mormons with you on every camping trip?


A: If you bring one, he'll drink all your beer.

 

[Bill Godshall]

According to JustJulie:

Here's the 2011/2012 assignments for Utah House Standing Business and Labor Committee

Jim Dunnigan, Chair
Dixon Pitcher, Vice Chair
Jackie Biskupski
Jim Bird
Derek Brown
Susan Duckworth
Gage Froerer
Francis Gibson
Don Ipson
Todd Kiser
Brad Last
Mike Morley
Curt Webb
Larry Wiley

Looks like the Utah legislature just updated its website with new committee assignments.
http://le.utah.gov/house/Standing.PDF

 

[JustJulie]

My understanding is that CASAA is working at getting a letter and contact information up on its Call to Action site. In the meanwhile, Treece put together the basic contact information:

UTAH HOUSE BUSINESS AND LABOR COMMITTEE

Jim Dunnigan
District 39
Republican

Contact Information

Capitol Email:
jdunnigan@utah.gov
Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...

Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
District Address
3105 West 5400 South, Suite 6
Taylorsville, UT 84118
Phone: 801-968-8594 (Home)
Phone: 801-840-1800 (Work)

______________________________

Dixon Pitcher
District 10
Republican

Contact Information

Capitol Email:
dpitcher@utah.gov
District Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...

Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
Cell Phone: 801-710-9150
District Address
6470 Bybee Drive
Ogden, UT 84403
Phone: 801-476-8080 (Home)
Phone: 801-476-0345 (Work)
Fax: 801-476-8268
Cell Phone: 801-710-9150

__________________

Jim Bird
District 42
Republican

Contact Information

Capitol Email:
jbird@utah.gov
Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...

Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
District Address
5111 West Woodworth Road
West Jordan, UT 84084
Phone: 801-280-9056 (Home)
Phone: 801-282-4112 (Work)

____________________________

Jackie Biskupski
Democrat
District 30

Contact Information

Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...
Capitol Email:
jbiskupski@utah.gov
District Website:
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Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
District Address
753 East Roosevelt Avenue
Salt Lake City, UT 84105
Phone: 801-484-8369 (Home)

_____________________________

Derek Brown
District 49
Republican

Contact Information

Capitol Email:
derekbrown@utah.gov
Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...

Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
District Address
Post Office Box 711167
Salt Lake City, UT 84171
Phone: 801-410-2604 (Cell)

_________________________________

Susan D. 'Sue' Duckworth
District 22
Democrat

Contact Information

Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...
Capitol Email:
sduckworth@utah.gov

Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
District Address
2901 Merton Way
Magna, UT 84044
Phone: 801-250-0728 (Home)

___________________________

Gage Froerer
District 8
Republican

Contact Information

Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...
Capitol Email:
gfroerer@utah.gov

Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
Cell Phone: 801-391-4233
District Address
Post Office Box 379
Huntsville, UT 84317
Phone: 801-621-0505 (Work)
Phone: 801-745-0505 (Home)
Fax: 801-621-0506
Cell Phone: 801-391-4233

______________________________________

Francis D. Gibson
District 65
Republican

Contact Information

Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...
Capitol Email:
fgibson@utah.gov

Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
District Address
208 South 680 West
Mapleton, UT 84664
Phone: 801-491-3763 (Home)

_________________________________________

Don L. Ipson
District 75
Republican

Contact Information

Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...
Capitol Email:
dipson@utah.gov
District Website:
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District Website:
Rep. Don L. Ipson

Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
District Address
539 Diagonal Street
Saint George, UT 84770
Phone: 435-673-8216 (Home)
Phone: 435-674-6301 (Work)
Fax: 435-627-1516

__________________________

Todd E. Kiser
District 41
Republican

Contact Information

Capitol Email:
toddkiser@utah.gov
Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...

Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
District Address
10702 South 540 East
Sandy, UT 84070
Phone: 801-571-0179 (Home)
Phone: 801-266-6800 (Work)

__________________________________

Gradley G. Last
District 71
Republican

Contact Information

Capitol Email:
blast@utah.gov
Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...

Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
District Address
640 East 700 South, Suite 303
Saint George, UT 84770
Phone: 435-635-7334 (Home)

_________________________

Michael T. 'Mike' Morley
District 66
Republican

Contact Information

Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...
Capitol Email:
mikemorley@utah.gov

Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
District Address
678 West 350 North
Spanish Fork, UT 84660
Phone: 801-636-0296 (Cell)

_______________________________________

R. Curt Webb
District 5
Republican

Contact Information

Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...
Capitol Email:
curtwebb@utah.gov

Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
District Address
65 West 100 North
Logan, UT 84321
Phone: 435-753-0215 (Home)
Phone: 435-753-2467 (Work)
__________________________________________

Larry B. Wiley
District 31
Democrat

Contact Information

Capitol Email:
lwiley@utah.gov
Capitol Website:
http://www.utah.gov/house/deta ...
District Website:
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Capitol Address
350 North State, Suite 350
Post Office Box 145030
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
Phone: 801-538-1029
Fax: 801-326-1544
District Address
1450 West 3300 South
West Valley City, UT 84119
Phone: 801-487-8095 (Home)
Phone: 801-520-8051 (Work)

_________________________

Bryant R. Howe, Assistant Director
bhowe@utah.gov

 

[Placebo Effect]

I have a friend in Salt Lake City who has said he's willing to help. Unfortunately, his legislator is not on the Committee in question, but I'm going to recommend he put in phone calls to the two representatives who are also from Salt Lake City.

 

[keelalagirl55]

pretty soon where going to have to get the OK to breath and then have to pay tax on that too.!

they are pretty much trying that already.....carbon credits......we exhale the exact thing they are wanting these for!!!

My prayers are with you in Utah....fight the good fight....I'm waiting for the hot and heavy here in Ohio...just down the pike I'm afraid.