V4L tanks on X2's???

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Just wondering if anyone has done this? The V4L CS is telling me that I should put a 2ohm carto in it, but I thought a 3ohm carto is more appropriate....is this accurate? CS at V4L hasn't given me a straight forward answer on whether or not I can use any SS carto or whether or not it has to be theirs (they only have either 2 or 3 ohm) I know the SI cartos I have are somewhere in the middle of 2-3ohms......
Has anyone used an SI carto in a V4L tank?
 

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2.0 is right on the verge of being to low (but it could work on the X2 - haven't tried it though)...3 is not going to give you much of a hit.... they have vertical coils I believe (and the connections on the cartos are not always 100% on our batts as they are generation 1 and we are generation 2.

that being said let me take a look at the tanks

These have a 2.5ohm option which should work : | Vapor4Life but they are dual coil not single coil... which is odd to me...because those are really made for over 5v.... to properly fire both coils... I did not think they had anything above 4.2volts.

Tank cartos have a lip on then and they come prepunched... you would have to punch ours... and they would have a slightly bigger chance of slipping (from not having the lip on them) and spilling.

That all being said... any 2.1-2.9ohm 901 tank system should work on the manual X2 and I would think on the auto as well (not a 100% on that due to airflow)

And after all that Mroutlaw is going to post saying to just get the ce3 or the vivi nova clearomizers :p
 

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the only advantage of a tank is the large capacity for ml... fill 3 ce's before you leave the house...same thing.. :p

Thank you Imagine for a super fast response (as usual). I have used the Phoenix from Gotvapes, and now I see you got yours in today- so I'll probably just stick with those to save myself the hassle/possible battery homicide :)
 

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all a tank is.... is a barrel wraped around a carto... its very different from a clearo... I wouldn't use a tank on an auto no...

901 and 808d-1 have the same threading so they always work on manuals..but sometimes they do not have the same air flow to work on autos.

Just a follow up question though- are 901 threads the same as 808 threads or would I need an adapter? As a side note, all 3 of my X2's are autos. Is it never a good idea to use to use a tank on an auto? I've used the ce3 w/o issue, though I guess they feed a bit differently than a strict tank.
 

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The description says the tank material is acrylic. The vendor website doesn't say one way or another, but my limited knowledge of plastics warns me that acrylic is similar to polycarbonate. If you use other vendor e-liquids than Smokeless Image's, be wary to put cinnamon, citric or fruits, and acidic flavors in these things.

Interesting, this is the first vendor that I have seen selling tanks with 808 cartos. Usually they are the 510 threaded.
 

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2.0 is right on the verge of being to low (but it could work on the X2 - haven't tried it though)...3 is not going to give you much of a hit.... they have vertical coils I believe (and the connections on the cartos are not always 100% on our batts as they are generation 1 and we are generation 2.

that being said let me take a look at the tanks

These have a 2.5ohm option which should work : | Vapor4Life but they are dual coil not single coil... which is odd to me...because those are really made for over 5v.... to properly fire both coils... I did not think they had anything above 4.2volts.

Tank cartos have a lip on then and they come prepunched... you would have to punch ours... and they would have a slightly bigger chance of slipping (from not having the lip on them) and spilling.

That all being said... any 2.1-2.9ohm 901 tank system should work on the manual X2 and I would think on the auto as well (not a 100% on that due to airflow)

And after all that Mroutlaw is going to post saying to just get the ce3 or the vivi nova clearomizers :p

That's not fair IMAGINE. I promise, I will drop the vivi nova issue. I am using them, but now I think I understand one of the reasons you guys passed. The resistance on them is too inconsistent. I'm only using it until you guys have a nice tank without cartos.

If you want my two cents, I wouldn't use a dual coil on anything. It is too hard on any battery. I havent tried a 2.0ohm on my 1300 x2 but I can tell you that I tried the 1.8ohm head on the vivi nova (after the two tanks of juice it took to actually get it to 1.8ohm) and I would never use it again. It cut my battery life from 11-12 hours (I chain vape 6 second puffs) to just under 7 hours.

A 2.5 dual coil carto is going to give a cooler vape than a single coil 2.5. All it is is two 5ohm coils next to each other. You may get a little more, and I mean little since there is no way they are both getting exposed to the same amount juice when you exam they way they are wrapped in the filler, but the vape will be much cooler.

And yes, the v4l carto is a vertical coil. They burn easy and are not nearly as good as the SI. I just put a video on YouTube that shows a smokeless image carto cut open and another one (which happened to be a v4l) and you can plainly see why a horizontal bottom coil outperforms the vertical coil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g405PASX1NA

Now, you were right sort of right Imagine. I'm not going to recommend the vivi nova, because personally, I don't like the adapter or the inconsistency with the resistance, but I do think the OP would like the bottom coil ce3 from smokeless image. It gives lots more vapor than any tank is going to give on a 3.7v battery. (v4l is just unregulated, so it starts at 4.2 but drops to 3.7, another reason why SI is so awesome) There is a reason that steeljan calls it the dual coil killer.


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Just a follow up question though- are 901 threads the same as 808 threads or would I need an adapter? As a side note, all 3 of my X2's are autos. Is it never a good idea to use to use a tank on an auto? I've used the ce3 w/o issue, though I guess they feed a bit differently than a strict tank.

I would never use a tank on an auto, they have too many leaking issues


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He must be on vacation, usally he is right on the ball about SI products and the like. ;)

I was busy putting stickies on my videos to indicate SI has the ce3. Why tell people to get them from somewhere else when SI sells them and for $2 less?


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lol not at all was actually going to ask you if you want to do the clearo/X2 and ce3 demo videos :p

I was just teasing.. cause for now.. the vivi nova might actual be a better fit for him then a tank...but I cannot officially say that.:p

I think IMAGINE is ready to ban me from the SI forum.


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lol not at all was actually going to ask you if you want to do the clearo/X2 and ce3 demo videos :p

I was just teasing.. cause for now.. the vivi nova might actual be a better fit for him then a tank...but I cannot officially say that.:p

I will absolutely do the videos, I'm honored. Just tell me what you want in it. I even just purchased a lamp to light things up better.

As far as the vivi, I like the size of the tank and that I can change heads, but I hate the adapter and that you don't know what your getting with resistance. Also, the draw is very tight compared to the ce3. Its also only good at home. Its too big and heavy to take on the road. Also, the adapters don't work on the autos.

What about the 3ml bc ce3? If you guys could get that made so that you don't have to syringe fill, it would be a home run. Is that something you are looking at? I know that they are threaded for a ego not 510, so they work on x2 since the x2 has ego threading


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@Mroutlaw, I can't speak for image but because of you I have learned alot and really enjoy my SI products and really do enjoy your vids. You seem down to earth and don't BS about the products even if there not SI. Keep up what your doing man...:)

Thank you needles.

I only say that because I think my videos led the charge to get SI to carry the ce3. I have a feeling they wanted to wait for the non-syringe version but we all wanted it now.

She cant get too upset though. My videos all started because of the video contest she posted. I wish more people would participate though, it's such a cool contest. It really helped me find a way to PIF. The feeling that I get when someone emails me that the video helped makes it all worth it.


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I would never use a tank on an auto, they have too many leaking issues


I am confused on this statement.
What exactly do you mean by TANK ?
Is not a clearomizer and a ce3 a tank ?

my self i do not like the manual batterys in 78mm or X2's,,they seem to burn the coils faster to me.

every time i use the manuals on clearomizers,Ce3's or regular cartos i get a burnt taste,,so i will never buy manuals again and no i don't hold the buttons down to long.

people claim that you have more control with the manuals,,i don't believe that.

Larry
 

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I would never use a tank on an auto, they have too many leaking issues


I am confused on this statement.
What exactly do you mean by TANK ?
Is not a clearomizer and a ce3 a tank ?

my self i do not like the manual batterys in 78mm or X2's,,they seem to burn the coils faster to me.

every time i use the manuals on clearomizers,Ce3's or regular cartos i get a burnt taste,,so i will never buy manuals again and no i don't hold the buttons down to long.

people claim that you have more control with the manuals,,i don't believe that.

Larry

No, clearomizers are generally not considered a tank, even the vivi nova. A clearomizer is generally a cartomizer that is clear and most of the time uses some sort of wick system instead of filler.

Tanks generally consist if a cartomizer and a plastic or glass (sometimes metal) tube that goes around the cartomizer. The cartomizer has holes or slots punched into it on the side. The carto sticks out if the bottom of the tank and is screwed into the battery like a normal carto. You would slide this plastic or glass "tank" over it and then fill the tank with juice. The juice then feeds the carto through punched holes, keeping the filler inside it wet. Basically it is just continually topping off your carto. The problem with these, asides from the fact that you are still dealing with a carto that clogs and mutes flavor, is that they are very prone to leaking. Usually it just an "o" ring or gasket sealing the carto where it goes through the opening in the bottom of the tank. If the gasket or O ring doesn't seal perfectly, or if you hit the plastic tank and bang it around just a little, the juice pours out. We're not talking about a couple of stops either. Those tanks hold up to 5ml of juice.

I understand what you are saying about the manual. The reason people say you have more control is because you can press the button first to heat up the coil to get more vapor right away. With an auto, it can't heat the coil until you puff, so it takes an extra half second to second to get the same vapor. Think of a stove top. A manual battery would be like turning the burner on and putting a pot on it after it is warmed up. An automatic would be like putting the pot on and then turning the burner on.

The problem with the manual is that it is a learned technique. the juice can only be fed into the coil so fast. Whether you use a carto or a wick system, the area around the coil vaporizes, drys and then the juice around it moves to that area. If you press the button too early before vaping, you can dry out that area and get a burnt taste before even vaping. Or on the other hand, if you press just a second to long while vaping, you get a burnt taste. They put out the same watts, it's just one is heated up already so you actually need a shorter puff on a manual. That's hard to get used to since we are used to taking the same length drag every time (it's like muscle memory)

Good thing is, both are available so we get to chose which we like best.

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thank you for your reply,,,

now every thing is clear as mud(LOL just kiddin)

i tryed my manuals after that last post to prove to my self that i was not blowing off hot air,i am useing my ce3's and a black carto that i grab when i go out to do my chores,the black carto is on a 78mm and my ce3s are on my x2 650s.

i tryed both manual sizes and i am right,,burnt taste.

i don't believe i will go any bigger then a 650,,because of size and wieght,,i don't mind the chargeing more often,,when i climb in to my truck to go to town for what ever,i carry two 78s with cartos on them.
i have never had to use the 2nd battery yet,,don't know why ,but i don't vape much when i go to town or to the nieghbors,go figure?

Larry
who is content with his AUTO'S
 
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