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Vape sensitivity puzzle...PG? Something else?

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  1. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    Hi all,
    Maybe you can help me figure this out:

    I have been vaping for three months, no cigs, no major problems.
    My wife still smokes, but has shown some interest in vaping at least part time. So I set her up with a Pico topped with a Nautilus X, filled with unflavored base at a 1.8% nic level, 70VG. Locked the pico at 14 watts.

    She has tried it a couple of times, and each time experiences nausea. I vaped the on that rig with the same juice and settings for a week before I passed it along. No problems for me.

    My first guess was PG sensitivity. Nausea is listed as a symptom in some places, but it seems like it more commonly affects the respiratory tract.

    My second guess is nic level. She actually smokes more than I used to so I thought 1.8 would be fine... though she smokes filtered and I was smoking rollies.

    My two long shots are composition of VG, and reaction to kanthal coil. I haven't even researched those possibilities cos they seem fairly unlikely.

    I suppose a good test would be to have her try VG with no nic? (My nicotine is suspended in 50/50, really don't want VG nic unless it's beneficial to her)

    Thanks in advance!
     
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  2. Myrany

    Myrany Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 14, 2013
    Louisiana
    It could be the nic. Nic from different places can be quite different.

    Edit: It could also be the VG. Some people are flat allergic to it.
     
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  3. englishmick

    englishmick Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 25, 2014
    Naptown, Indiana
    Seems like you only have 3 components, VG, PG, and nic. Can't really be nic sensitivity since she's a smoker. Could be the quantity of nic. I think plain VG would be a good first step. If that gives her nausea you will know. If not then try PG. If there's still no nausea it would have to be the nic, so try it with lower nic level.

    Good luck
     
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  4. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    If I could only Pick One that I thought was the Most Likely candidate, I would pick Too High of a Nicotine Level.

    You have DIY Supplies, Right?

    I would Mix a Batch of Unflavored at around 9mg/ml in the Same PG to VG Ratio.
     
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  5. Alter

    Alter Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2013
    BC Canada
    If she is pulling too hard she might be swallowing some juice mixed in with the vapor or swallowing some of the vapor instead of inhaling. That would upset any stomach. Usually its a headache that starts from a nic overdose but nausea is another symptom.
     
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  6. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    I don't think it's that, you'd have to be a freak to pull juice through the utech coil, haha
     
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  7. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    That sounds like a good step. For now I have a batch of 91% VG same level for her to try at her leisure. I'll mix a half strength batch next weekend in case the 91 doesn't have an good effect. And if that doesn't work, pure VG I guess.
     
  8. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    It's from Nude Nicotine, by all accounts it good quality.

    Is VG allergy a thing?
     
  9. Myrany

    Myrany Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 14, 2013
    Louisiana
    In this forum over the years I have run into people that can only vape pure PG or only Pure VG. SO yeah it is
     
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  10. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    That's the Extremely Cool thing about being able to do DIY. You can Mix up any type of mg/ml or PG to VG Ratio you like.

    And costs next to Nothing. Just a Little bit of Time.

    And maybe some Blue Painters Tape on the Bottles while you are in the Test Batch mode.
     
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  11. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    I've seen a Few.

    Not all that common. But I seen some who say they are.
     
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  12. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    Really like cost reduction and control of DIY.

    Blue painters tape, Haha, nailed it!!
     
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  13. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    Great, thanks for the suggestions! I'll keep trying to make it right as long as she's open to it! I'd love to see her smoking less cigs!
     
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  14. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    Yeah... Once you get everything Squared Away you can make a Fancy P-Touch Label for you bottles. But while you still in the Testing Phase, painter tape (the Green with a Fine Tip Sharpie Marker is actually easier to read) is the way to go.
     
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  15. Alter

    Alter Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2013
    BC Canada
    I put strips onto a leftover creamic tile so I have a solid base to write on and cut with a drywall knife blade but I use green painters tape. :)
     
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  16. VHRB2014

    VHRB2014 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 16, 2014
    Nic`d Up in Oklahoma!
    If she smokes/vapes with a "direct lung inhale" technique, it may in fact be too much nic,

    If she does you might want to drop it to 12mg and see how she does. Or keep adjusting as you get feedback from her.

    BOL.
     
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  17. JCinFLA

    JCinFLA Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 21, 2015
    @Enso - You said you liked the idea @zoiDman gave you here:

    But then went on to say, "For now I have a batch of 91% VG same level for her to try at her leisure. I'll mix a half strength batch next weekend in case the 91 doesn't have an good effect. And if that doesn't work, pure VG I guess."

    If cutting the nic down to 9mg and keeping the same PG to VG ratio sounds like a good step...why leave her at the higher nic level for another week, but change the VG to 91%?

    I've also never heard of anything in eliquid, but too high of nic, causing nausea either. If I were her, I sure wouldn't want to keep trying the same strength and possibly getting nauseous for another week. In the longrun it may even curb her desire to even try vaping any longer. I know it would discourage me, since feeling "barfy" isn't any fun.
     
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  18. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    I totally understand your point, and considered that also. It's a timing thing. I only have time to mix about once a week (we have kids). I already had the 91, it's just a stop gap. She only attempts vaping in very specific circumstances, so she might not even get to the 91 before I have a chance to make a weaker batch.

     
  19. Myrany

    Myrany Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 14, 2013
    Louisiana
    I found a pale purple painters tape for labeling my DIY much easier to read than the blue ;)
     
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  20. SteveS45

    SteveS45 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2016
    Long Island, New York
    It sounds like too much Nicotine too fast that is upsetting her stomach in my opinion, Since it is unflavored DIy easy for you to cut it down to see how she reacts to it.
     
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