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Vape sensitivity puzzle...PG? Something else?

Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by Enso, Mar 26, 2017.

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  1. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    The popular opinion seems to be that the strength is the culprit. I going to try to make time to mix tonight.
     
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  2. mattiem

    mattiem ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Congratulations on your 3 months of being smoke free. We are all pulling for your wife. Please keep us updated. We really do care.

    I also agree that it is probably the nic strength causing the problem.
     
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  3. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    Thanks very much:)
    Appreciate all the help and support! I'll update in a week or so hopefully with good news.
     
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  4. JCinFLA

    JCinFLA Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 21, 2015
    Yay! :thumbs:

    If you want to be sure if it IS the nic being too high that's the problem...please take the earlier suggestion that @zoiDman gave you, that you liked. Leave the PG/VG ratio the same as the first batch (you said it was 70VG), and change ONLY the nic mg. If you change both the nic + PG/VG ratio and she doesn't get queasy...you still won't know which thing for sure was causing the problem. It's the old "don't change several variables at the same time" idea from Science class experiments when we were all younger. :)

    Good luck! We're all hoping for a great result, for both of you!
     
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  5. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    I started on a cigalike at 1.8%. It didn't produce much vapor so I had time to acclimate to that level. The equipment she is using is far more efficient than what I started on. This is a good hypothesis. I'm putting PG allergy on the back burner for sure.
     
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  6. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    I ran Clearos with 18mg/ml for a Long Time. No Problems. But if I put 18mg/ml in my RTA's or RDA's today, I would Gag.

    I'm sure you will Find an e-Liquid Combinations that your Wife likes. And it may be a Both the Nicotine Level and the PG/VG Level. But as JC Mention, it's is Hard to Tell what is what if you more than 1 thing at a Time.
     
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  7. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
     
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  8. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    Just out of curiosity, what mg are you using now and what what was the timeframe on stepping it down? Did you just go by feel?


    Mixed up 9mg 70VG, now to wait till she tries it again.
     
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  9. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    I quit using 28mg/ml with an Occasional 36mg/ml on a Cart/Atty and Cartos. Then moved down to 24mg/ml or so.

    When the E2/CE2's Clearos hit the scene, I used them for a Long Time at 18mg/ml Heavily Flavored/Sweetened.

    Moved to Rebuildables and had to Drop Down to 12mg/ml or so Regular Flavored.

    Today, using mainly a Squonking RDA and STM Style RTA's, I use around 7 ~ 9mg/ml Unflavored with Flavored Wicks or HOF.

    The Hardware was what drove the Stepping Down in mg/ml. Heavily Flavored/Sweetened e-Liquids (to me) just don't taste as good Day in and Day out on an RDA. And I would get Flavor Burnout a lot. That, and I always seemed Thirsty.

    I use some 0mg at Night. Especially if I'm really Wound Up for work. But I don't really go much below 7mg/ml during the day. Kinda get Edgy if I do. I vape about 7ml a Day.
     
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  10. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    Success!.... sort of, haha. So she said she tried it a little and had no nausea. At this time, nicotine level seems to be the only issue. She said she might like to have it even a little lower which I find baffling considering she smokes about 15 full flavor a day. Also said there is a weird sweet taste, which I have to assume is the VG.
    I ordered some TFA RY4 double, and a couple other flavors, maybe I can help the "weird" taste too after a bit of self experimentation:)
     
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  11. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Right On Enso!

    :thumb:

    And Don't worry about Rhyme or Reason. If She thinks Lower might be Better, then Lower it is.

    e-Cigarettes deliver Nicotine differently than Smoking. And It's hard to make a Perfect comparison between mg/ml and Cigarettes Smoked.
     
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  12. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    BTW - One side note on Weird Taste.

    When an e-Liquid is 1st Made, the Flavor it has can change (sometimes Significantly) as time goes by. We use the Slang term of it "Steeping".

    Think of it as like what happens to Wine as it ages. Or how Spaghetti Sauce tastes been the Next Day after you make it.

    If you have a Bottle of Something that is OK, but a Not the Greatest, don't throw it away. Just put it in a Cool Dark Place (away from Children and Pets) for a Week or so. Then Revisit it. It might surprise you how the Taste has Changed.

    And I have Read (I don't use Tobacco Flavors) that some Benefit from sitting for a Month. Or sometimes Longer.
     
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  13. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    I've heard of steeping, and certainly noticed changes in off the shelf liquid.
    Does that apply to unflavored liquid? I haven't really noticed any change over time, but I go through 30mL in about two weeks+\- and make more as needed.
    I don't know if she'll ever even want to try flavor, but if I can mix something that suites me I'll certainly present the option.
    I'm pretty excited about having some flavor in the mix.
     
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  14. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    There's really No Change in Unflavored e-Liquids/Nicotine Base because of "Steeping". It is Only when there are Flavorings/Sweeteners present.

    ---

    Being able to Mix your own e-Liquid (DIY) opens up an Entirely New World. It also is MUCH Cheaper than buying Retail e-Liquids.

    It can Also be a Hedge against State/Federal Taxes and Regulations.
     
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  15. Opinionated

    Opinionated Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 19, 2015
    My Mountain
    Everyone absorbs nicotine at different rates.. two people who smoke the exact same thing in the exact same amount, can absorb different amounts of nicotine into their bodies.

    I am allergic to PG, and her symptoms do not match a pg allergy.. also, I get nauseated when I get too much nicotine.. so I am going to say, regardless of what she was smoking before, she is getting too much nicotine in her system using what she is using vaping right now..

    What I would do is simply give her a lower nicotine level.. if you are giving her 18 right now, then cut it down to either 12 or 6 - but with the set up she is using paired with her nausea, I would honestly cut it all the way to 6..

    She should be fine, with a lower level of nicotine.. but if that doesn't work, then I would try other things..
     
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  16. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
     
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  17. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    totally. Started at 18, dropped to 9 with much better result. I think next time I mix I'll make her a 5 and that will probably be the sweet spot.
     
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  18. Opinionated

    Opinionated Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 19, 2015
    My Mountain
    Good, I was just reading the rest of the thread, and saw that you said lower was a help.. yeah, I have a sister in law who smoked two packs a day, who needed 6 mg, whereas I needed 18 when I smoked the same amount.. everyone is just different.. your wife must not have absorbed as much nicotine when she smoked, for whatever reason..
     
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  19. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    5 ? Nobody does 5.

    5 isn't even an e-Liquid number. Make it 6mg/ml for the Win!

    LOL
     
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  20. Enso

    Enso Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2017
    Vermont, USA
    Sure, why not? I like numbers that are divisible by three.
    I had a bottle from the B&M that was 11, I thought it was pretty odd
     
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