VapeCige Vtbox200

[dwcraig1]

While I can't put any numbers to it I can say that the battery charge life is considerably better than my mods with 900 mah and 1000 mah lipos.
As it should be I suppose...LOL
Oh, one of the first things I did when I unboxed it was the see what needs to be done to fit 2 18650's, well not much if a pack is used instead of a sled. Not like swapping single batts but doable.

 

[dwcraig1]

Not only do I make my own juice I make my Frappuccino too, the only way I'm able to afford the hardware.

 

[sd3614]

Not only do I make my own juice I make my Frappuccino too, the only way I'm able to afford the hardware.

I love those drinks....so expensive

FT now says 10/10 ETA :/

 

[dwcraig1]

I love those drinks....so expensive

FT now says 10/10 ETA :/

My battery life on my Vapecige seems really good.
Use whole milk and forget about the pectin.
https://www.topsecretrecipes.com/Starbucks-Frappuccino-Bottled-Version-Copycat-Recipe.html
The pectin is to thicken it that's all.

 

[Vlad1]

Noticed today as I was charging at 1 amp with external charger looked over at it at one point and it displayed 99% charged and taking about .300A , about 10 minutes later I look again and it's displaying 97% charge and not charging at all really with .001A being displayed. Anyone else ever see their charge go into a discharge?

 

[dwcraig1]

Noticed today as I was charging at 1 amp with external charger looked over at it at one point and it displayed 99% charged and taking about .300A , about 10 minutes later I look again and it's displaying 97% charge and not charging at all really with .001A being displayed. Anyone else ever see their charge go into a discharge?

I doubt if it is discharging (except what the screen's using) mine seems to stop at 12.5 sometimes (often) but I'm thinking it's the wall wart causing that.

 

[Vlad1]

I doubt if it is discharging (except what the screen's using) mine seems to stop at 12.5 sometimes (often) but I'm thinking it's the wall wart causing that.

Screen shouldn't use 2% capacity in that short of time span, it's at 30% brightness on charge. IDK if it actually discharging either tbh, that's just what the device displayed. These random anomalies are really becoming irritating.

 

[dwcraig1]

Screen shouldn't use 2% capacity in that short of time span, it's at 30% brightness on charge. IDK if it actually discharging either tbh, that's just what the device displayed. These random anomalies are really becoming irritating.

I'm not suggesting that the screen used that much just that it is using some.

 

[AtmizrOpin]

How's your guys' "vapescourge" box mods treatin Ya? Anyone's 510 "depart" from the box? Did they make good on their word about press fitting em? Wish I could join in your fun . I'm keepin an eye out in the classies for a 200 board/mod, used. I wanna do some speriments and build sumpin. My soldering iron is feeling neglected.

Edit: can someone do a size comparison with some other mods next to it. Maybe put it next to a D2, VS(DNA 40), flask, Sig 150(non TC) or IPV4. Tanks

 

[dwcraig1]

How's your guys' "vapescourge" box mods treatin Ya? Anyone's 510 "depart" from the box? Did they make good on their word about press fitting em? Wish I could join in your fun . I'm keepin an eye out in the classies for a 200 board/mod, used. I wanna do some speriments and build sumpin. My soldering iron is feeling neglected.

Edit: can someone do a size comparison with some other mods next to it. Maybe put it next to a D2, VS(DNA 40), flask, Sig 150(non TC) or IPV4. Tanks

It's too big, too heavy and every thing about it after that is super.

"the Hummer"

 

[laurie9300]

How's your guys' "vapescourge" box mods treatin Ya? Anyone's 510 "depart" from the box? Did they make good on their word about press fitting em? Wish I could join in your fun . I'm keepin an eye out in the classies for a 200 board/mod, used. I wanna do some speriments and build sumpin. My soldering iron is feeling neglected.

Edit: can someone do a size comparison with some other mods next to it. Maybe put it next to a D2, VS(DNA 40), flask, Sig 150(non TC) or IPV4. Tanks

I think I've had mine the longest, and I have had no problems. Been using it with a dropper almost exclusively, pulling the top cap on and off, and 510 is good so far.

Here's mine next to an authentic Hana V3

 

[Car147]

Noticed today as I was charging at 1 amp with external charger looked over at it at one point and it displayed 99% charged and taking about .300A , about 10 minutes later I look again and it's displaying 97% charge and not charging at all really with .001A being displayed. Anyone else ever see their charge go into a discharge?

Its a Lipoly battery, when the board is balance charging if it discovers a cell that is becoming over charged it will stop or discharge that cell to maintain 4.2v per cell, that's what you were seeing and will occur just about every time you charge the pack. all this is down at the end of the charge cycle and is quite normal

 

[Vlad1]

Its a Lipoly battery, when the board is balance charging if it discovers a cell that is becoming over charged it will stop or discharge that cell to maintain 4.2v per cell, that's what you were seeing and will occur just about every time you charge the pack. all this is down at the end of the charge cycle and is quite normal

Don't think that's what's happening in my case and if it was it should do it consistently which it hasn't. All cells were balanced when connected to PC.

 

[Car147]

They will be balanced, its doing its job.. if it didn't you would soon be in trouble. the only way it can balance charge is to start discharging cells once they reach 4.2v, if it did'nt you would quickly be running into thermal runaway and fun time.

 

[Vlad1]

They will be balanced, its doing its job.. if it didn't you would soon be in trouble. the only way it can balance charge is to start discharging cells once they reach 4.2v, if it did'nt you would quickly be running into thermal runaway and fun time.

I understand your point and yes that is in part my concern with thermal runaway. I've now seen the device charging at 1A through PC USB when at 100% charge and I've also seen it charging at 99% at .3A then discharge to 97% and not be charging at all. If what you are suggesting was correct it should have started charging again after it discharged to 97% but it wasn't. So to say that it's working consistently or as any balance charger should is a stretch.

 

[retird]

Don't think that's what's happening in my case and if it was it should do it consistently which it hasn't. All cells were balanced when connected to PC.

From my test in July: (hope this helps)
Latest EScribe and firmware.... plugged in device to charge and Device monitor showed battery levels at 3.90 v. each... left to charge for a couple hours and when checked batts were at 4.18 v. each and not charging.... unplugged device and plugged back in and it then charged to 4.20 v. on each cell.... replicated this several times... I'm using the default settings for Li-Po's....

Edit: after batts were fully charged to 4.20 v. I left the device plugged into usb of computer and after about 35 minutes I opened Device Manger again and batts showed 4.18 v. each again and batts not charging...unplugged device and plugged in again with Device Monitor open and started charging again up to 4.20 V.

I haven't seen this occur with previous firmware until this one... ??

EDIT2: Watched charging and it peaked at 8.00 Wh for the pack @ 12.6 v.and 4.20v each cell.... left device plugged in.... charging current etc dropped off to almost zero and Wh started dropping off from 8.0 Wh as did the Pack voltage started dropping off from 12.6 v. and cells started dropping off to below 4.20 v. After watching this after about 7 minutes the Wh is now at 7.968, Pack voltage at 12.58 and cells at 4.19. After another 10 minutes the Wh dropped to 7.922 Wh and Pack voltage is 12.56 v. and cell voltage is 4.19.

Watched another 10 minutes (device still plugged in to usb computer port)... Wh dropped to 7.873, Pack voltage dropped to 12.55v., cell voltage dropped to 4.18V...

NOTE: USB Voltage 4.752 v., USB power 0.012 and current 0.003 (varies slightly but not in charging state enough to keep the pack at full charge).

Watched another 10 minutes: Wh = 7.840 Pack voltage = 12.54 Cell voltage = 4.18 each

Watched another 10 minutes: Wh = 7.805 Pack voltage = 12.53 Cell voltage = 4.18 each

Watched another 10 minutes: Wh = 7.769 Pack voltage = 12.52 Cell voltage = 4.17 each

Watched another 10 minutes: Wh = 7.731 Pack voltage = 12.50 Cell voltage = 4.17 each

Unplugged device and plugged back in and charging again at : USB Power = 1.523 W USB Current = 0.334 A USB Voltage = 4.462V. Charged back up rather quickly to 8.0 Wh. 12.60 V. Pack and 4.20 v. each cell... unplugged and will let rest and will check again after being unplugged from USB.

So.... is this due to needing a better usb cable (line loss),,, a firmware tweek, or a computer charging issue??? I'm puzzled..... ??

I asked why???

Response:
This is actually a firmware tweak from the July 9th firmware:

You can see from Mod->Battery->Discharge Curve that 4.18V corresponds to 98% charge. Once we determine that the charge is essentially completed, we now turn off the charger circuitry entirely until it reaches 25 mV below the termination voltage.

This means if you have a LED connected to the charger PWM it will turn off when charging has ceased, so that can be used as an indicator. It should also be better for the battery.

Response #2:
The device does not sleep while plugged in to USB.

 

[Vlad1]

From my test in June: (hope this helps)
Latest EScribe and firmware.... plugged in device to charge and Device monitor showed battery levels at 3.90 v. each... left to charge for a couple hours and when checked batts were at 4.18 v. each and not charging.... unplugged device and plugged back in and it then charged to 4.20 v. on each cell.... replicated this several times... I'm using the default settings for Li-Po's....

Edit: after batts were fully charged to 4.20 v. I left the device plugged into usb of computer and after about 35 minutes I opened Device Manger again and batts showed 4.18 v. each again and batts not charging...unplugged device and plugged in again with Device Monitor open and started charging again up to 4.20 V.

I haven't seen this occur with previous firmware until this one... ??

EDIT2: Watched charging and it peaked at 8.00 Wh for the pack @ 12.6 v.and 4.20v each cell.... left device plugged in.... charging current etc dropped off to almost zero and Wh started dropping off from 8.0 Wh as did the Pack voltage started dropping off from 12.6 v. and cells started dropping off to below 4.20 v. After watching this after about 7 minutes the Wh is now at 7.968, Pack voltage at 12.58 and cells at 4.19. After another 10 minutes the Wh dropped to 7.922 Wh and Pack voltage is 12.56 v. and cell voltage is 4.19.

Watched another 10 minutes (device still plugged in to usb computer port)... Wh dropped to 7.873, Pack voltage dropped to 12.55v., cell voltage dropped to 4.18V...

NOTE: USB Voltage 4.752 v., USB power 0.012 and current 0.003 (varies slightly but not in charging state enough to keep the pack at full charge).

Watched another 10 minutes: Wh = 7.840 Pack voltage = 12.54 Cell voltage = 4.18 each

Watched another 10 minutes: Wh = 7.805 Pack voltage = 12.53 Cell voltage = 4.18 each

Watched another 10 minutes: Wh = 7.769 Pack voltage = 12.52 Cell voltage = 4.17 each

Watched another 10 minutes: Wh = 7.731 Pack voltage = 12.50 Cell voltage = 4.17 each

Unplugged device and plugged back in and charging again at : USB Power = 1.523 W USB Current = 0.334 A USB Voltage = 4.462V. Charged back up rather quickly to 8.0 Wh. 12.60 V. Pack and 4.20 v. each cell... unplugged and will let rest and will check again after being unplugged from USB.

So.... is this due to needing a better usb cable (line loss),,, a firmware tweek, or a computer charging issue??? I'm puzzled..... ??

I asked why???

Response:
This is actually a firmware tweak from the July 9th firmware:

You can see from Mod->Battery->Discharge Curve that 4.18V corresponds to 98% charge. Once we determine that the charge is essentially completed, we now turn off the charger circuitry entirely until it reaches 25 mV below the termination voltage.

This means if you have a LED connected to the charger PWM it will turn off when charging has ceased, so that can be used as an indicator. It should also be better for the battery.

Response #2:
The device does not sleep while plugged in to USB.

Yes I've seen what your referencing as well and it's reproducible, consuming about .070 mWh every 20 min and not charging until cells hit 4.17V and .5Wh consumed in my case at which point it starts charging again. Right or wrong I attributed that discharge to on screen display and background processing while usb was connected. Like I said it's repeatable and persistent and there's explanation for it. This isn't quite what I was asking about.

What I was reporting and questioning was charging with a 1A charger and being at 99% and charging at .3A, it had trickled down from about .96A as it normally does but then about 10 min later was at 97% and not charging at all. Basically a 3% drop in charge in about 10 minutes according to the display and not charging. This is the first and only time I've seen it do this and I've not been able to reproduce it after watching it charge from 98% to 100% about 5 times since.

 

[Car147]

Ah, how have you got it set in the battery config screen in Escribe? if its set for maximum recharge that will stop the process short as it now known Lipoly packs last longer when they are not charged to the max ie 4.2v per cell. so see if your set to maximum puffs (which will charge fully) if not i dont know, maybe drop Evolv a question on their first adopters forum.

 

[Vlad1]

Ah, how have you got it set in the battery config screen in Escribe? if its set for maximum recharge that will stop the process short as it now known Lipoly packs last longer when they are not charged to the max ie 4.2v per cell. so see if your set to maximum puffs (which will charge fully) if not i dont know, maybe drop Evolv a question on their first adopters forum.

Yea it's set to Max Puff's and nothing had changed in my configuration at least manually. I'm going to keep a close eye on it as I don't know right now either. Should have taken screen captures when I hooked it up to the pc but I didn't, but will if it happens again. Thanks for the suggestions though.

 

[dwcraig1]

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