Robino1 For President!
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Why not? I bet you can see Mexico from your house!
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Vapers March on Washington DC!
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Why not? I bet you can see Mexico from your house!
Ahem. Isn't about time a moderator did a smack down for this thead going OT? Runs away!!! Runs away!!!
Why not? I bet you can see Mexico from your house!
Ahem. Isn't about time a moderator did a smack down for this thead going OT? Runs away!!! Runs away!!!
<chasing down Rick>
Not sure how to take this but we were asked to share it:
I would have appreciated more elaboration of the "well meaning (but ultimately dangerous)" theory. I do believe we have plenty enough nannyism going around.
Unfortunately I do not have the back story. It was posted to several groups.
Please don't shoot the messenger.....
Please don't shoot the messenger.....
Unfortunately I do not have the back story. It was posted to several groups.
Please don't shoot the messenger.....
You're not the messenger I have in my sights right now. What the hell are they getting at? A "bad" protest could possibly make things worse to any degree? Really?
Hun, I honestly don't know.You're not the messenger I have in my sights right now. What the hell are they getting at? A "bad" protest could possibly make things worse to any degree? Really?
No worries, Robin. And no shots from this quarter.Unfortunately I do not have the back story. It was posted to several groups.
Please don't shoot the messenger.....
Great post! I have enough for myself, and extra to help out friends and neighbors if things continue along the path the FDA has set out. This path in my mind is un-American and in fact a declaration of war against the very citizens this agency is supposed to be protecting. Vapers need to prepare and be ready to assist others in staying off of the deadly products that our very government is complacent about and actually protecting. Imagine the impact when a few million vapers suddenly realize that their government is out to get them! To make them behave as they see fit, to either quit vaping, or go back to smoking so they can rake in the moneys from the MSA settlements. This is not going to end well for America. People are going to be Pi$$ed off. And they should be.Good video. Dimitri is a powerful and compelling advocate. However, I think it would be good to distinguish WHY we're contemplating a black market. It's not the slackers that are doing it. They're hopeless and clueless. Its US. We WILL NOT go back to smoking because the FDA says so behind pursed lips.
It needs to be said instead…that we need no more detrimental assessments of our actions and motivations. Some may merely be looking out for themselves. If that's all they can do, that's enough! That one be responsible for oneself is as much as we can reasonably expect of our fellows vapers. If they can do more, we should be appreciative to the extent that's possible and appropriate. Support them where and when we can. What we must do regardless is fight one and all for the best possible outcome AND prepare for the worst. There is absolutely no sin in that.
As for those who really are just interested in themselves and there's plenty among vapers and the industry…Don't consider as Dimitri pointed out those still uninformed and smoking, that they deserve their shot and support…Understand that the rest of us notice. And there will be an after. Just sayin'.
Dimitri should understand that as things continue to head south it will be those of us who looked and thought ahead that will be helping those still stuck. I'm lookin' at you all and you don't look like slackers to me. The first step is the first that you take. Can't help others if you can't help yourself.
Good luck all.
I hope that the black market THRIVES because of this insidious ill conceived piece of trash that the FDA deemed upon us.
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Would it be like Prohibition, do you think, where organized crime gets involved? That is the last thing we need.
If it comes to that, I wholeheartedly disagree.
Organizing of the crime of offering black market nic and supplies will be exactly what we'll need.
Disorganized petty peddlers won't be saving many lives with inconsistent supplies.
Tapatyped
The sad part about this statement
Especially the bolded
Is most of us don't see how embedded and all encompassing this practice really is.
It's far from just vaping. A simple drop in a very large bucket.
Tapatyped
Sounds to me like the likes of some of the more Rebellious type running amuck throughout DC...........Don't need people burning Effigies of Glantz/Zeller and Screaming 
the FDA at passers by.
Would Not be a Pretty sight on the National news
That said, a Time invested well planned civil protest should be acceptable to establish an Air of public awareness of our displeasure at FDA Over Reach of Authority through possibly unconstitutional means.
Perhaps running a completed plan past AVA for assessment.
the FDA at passers by.Would Not be a Pretty sight on the National news
That said, a Time invested well planned civil protest should be acceptable to establish an Air of public awareness of our displeasure at FDA Over Reach of Authority through possibly unconstitutional means.
Perhaps running a completed plan past AVA for assessment.
Doubtful, but on the other hand maybe start asking questions
Dutch Ruppersberger (@Call_Me_Dutch) | Twitter
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/health/e-cigarettes-vaping-quitting-
smoking-royal-college-of-physicians.html
https://d1fardvzz27152.cloudfront.n...aliff__fda__re_e-cigarette_regulation__4_.pdf
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What gets peoples real attention is riots and things burning, just saying. Organised crime could well be a godsend to vapers. They have distribution networks in place. They have layers of players so if one takes a fall there is one to replace them. All kidding aside, this could well be a very dark segment of American history. We have a long tradition of the invisible hand supplying products that the government deems unacceptable. In my mind, the FDA is acting like a petulant child seeking revenge because it got it's hand slapped a few years ago. This will not end well...
When you poison to steal the gold right out of the mouths of your victims it's called genocide. When government argues that it's for the children accomplishing essentially the same they call it public health? Somehow we've given them a pass for several generations…and what for? So they can expand their role, reach and the very taxes they levy upon us for the privilege? How long before we heed the warning that government is force and it's trajectory invariably corruption. Some things like fire you simply cannot let go out of control.
Good luck E.
You read between the lines.
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