There are also a lot of establishments that do equate vaping with smoking, and will treat it the same.
Disney makes it clear: Vape only in smoking areas - The Orange County Register
Vaper's Revenge
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There are also a lot of establishments that do equate vaping with smoking, and will treat it the same.
Disney makes it clear: Vape only in smoking areas - The Orange County Register
Lowes does mind if you vape on their property including outside in the parking lot. The employee probably wasn't aware of company policy on the issue. Stupid policy because it includes the parking lot, but their policy nonetheless.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/day-action/181062-lowe-s-bans-use-e-cigs-its-property.html
Respect must be EARNED. Being ignorant is not an automatic cause for respect -- quite the opposite, in fact. I refuse to respect anyone who is WILLFULLY IGNORANT.
And I'd say it's about high time for US to get some COURTESY since we've been extending it to non-smokers for decades now. Y'know.. at first it was the cute little signs with cute baby animals that said "thank you for not smoking." Now it's a fascist imperative: "NO SMOKING" in big red letters -- where did their courtesy go? It needs to return posthaste to enable them to be courteous to people who aren't doing a single thing to harm non-smokers.
Andria
Yes I knew about that one, quite annoying. I've read some people were wanting to petition for them to turn old abandoned smoking areas into vaping areas but I doubt anything came of it.
Well that's disappointing. They either don't have anything posted or I never noticed it. Quite surprising also that that was in 2011 and the employee didn't know about it 4 years later. I usually take several drags on the way into the store and sometimes pause outside to take a drag or two more and no one's ever even batted an eye.
And if they -- or anyone else! -- think they're gonna stop me vaping when I'm in the parking lot, they seriously have another think coming. Home Depot is much more convenient for me than Lowes anyway.
Andria
So are farts, but that doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to let them rip wherever you want to.
Vaping might not technically be the same thing as smoking, but it's only a technicality that separates them to a non-smoker. You're still going to get complaints just like you were smoking, and you'll motivate people to ban them just like you were smoking. Companies didn't start banning the use of ecigs on their property just for the fun of it, generally the ban was put in place because one person insisted on vaping where they wanted and other people complained to management about it.
I'm in a fairly unique position at my work. I'm the network admin so I have a fairly isolated office that is separate and closed off from the rest of the employees. My boss allows me to vape in my office, but not outside of my office and the rest of the employees are banned from vaping indoors because non-smokers started complaining when they did. It's easier to ban the ecig than to deal with a barrage of daily complaints from the non-smokers.
So are you saying I should just voluntarily refrain from vaping in (insert location here), because if I vape in (insert location here) they're going to ban it? I guess I should feel better if I beat them to the punch and just ban myself?
And please don't miss the part where I have repeatedly said there's a POLITE way to push the envelope and hopefully open a dialogue with non-vapers who know nothing about vaping other than the lies they've seen in bold print. When we voluntarily limit our vaping to the "smoking areas", not only will that dialogue never happen, but we're helping reinforce the idea that vaping = smoking, the ANTZ and BT win, vaping will be demonized and regulated and taxed to death just like cigarettes (because, after all, it IS just like smoking, right...) and many smokers will contract COPD or emphysema who might have been spared the disease by switching to vaping.
I agree! If anybody mistakes or confuses my vaping with tobacco smoking, or even worse, if they think that vaping is worse than tobacco smoking, then that is 100% their problem, not mine.
I will not be accommodating any such people, as that would be appeasement, and I am not an appeaser.
Who decides what is socially acceptable? I guess that society does. But what is society? Society is merely made up of people, and at one point in time in certain places, slavery was acceptable in society.
Smoking was also acceptable everywhere, and I do understand why smoking has been prohibited in most places, but that doesn't mean that I will condone that vaping is to suffer the same fate as tobacco. Society can be changed and what is acceptable also changes from time to time.
What if vaping were to become huge in the next 10 years and 51% of the entire population vapes?
Then the non-vapers would be in the minority, and vaping could be accepted everywhere.
If a non vaper is in a bar and they don't wish to see vape clouds, then they should step outside and stand in the freezing cold, just like tobacco smokers have had to do for years now.
why should a non-vaper be treated as a smoker? isnt not vaping, even further away from smoking than vaping? It's not his job to fight for your rights, he just wants a beer, he went to the bar to drink not to vape. You go to a bar to drink not to vape, so why should the guy who is drinking at a bar be forced to go outside, instead of the guy who is vaping and drinking?
like a previous poster said, farting doesnt kill people and isnt against the law, but i sure as hell wouldnt want to be in a bar next to a guy farting his ... off. Should the other guy go outside because he doesnt want to smell that guys farts? It's not his job to fight for it to be socially acceptable to fart in public establishments, why should he be punished. We arent fighting against slavery, were fighting for a right to feed our addiction, and that's what it is called if you are unable to prevent yourself from vaping around people who dont want it there in an establishment. If it is not an addiction, then what is stopping you from going outside.
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I don't think he literally meant the non-vaper should go outside... just a statement on "society" and how it works -- "mob rules".
And also about how, after all the courtesy that smokers have shown to non-smokers thru the last few DECADES, it's now time for them to show VAPERS some courtesy -- vapor isn't going to hurt them, so there is no point in all the protesting except that they're a bunch of whining crybabies who must have EVERYTHING just the way THEY want it! And they've been catered to for so many years now, they think it's their RIGHT to whine and complain about everything they don't like!
Andria
They are past that point.
They are TOLD what to want, and they happily accept it. They are too busy to educate themselves so they take whatever position they are told to take.
Good little mindless consumers.
The "deciders" will tell you what is good and what is bad.
Well, I'm not the least bit mindless, so they can tell me all they like, and it won't change my opinion one iota.
Andria
I don't think anyone with gas would just hold it in for who knows how long. I think a lot of people would go to an empty isle or area and let it rip.
Sounds familiar to something many people here do...
Sounds familiar to something many people here do...
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